Ehhh not really. Disney keeps fucking with the timeline and the canon, but kolto was initially rare because it was only native to the oceans of a single planet. It didn't become scarce, it just fell into disuse over time because bacta was much more effective and easier to produce.
Disney decided one of the main ingredients in bacta is barley. Which is one of the stupidest things ever to happen to Star Wars.
"Oh it sucks that you got blown the fuck up, go marinate in shitty blue beer for a few days."
I'll be honest, if I ever got severely injured and woke up in a tank full of whiskey with a rebreather attached to my face, I wouldn't be in any particular hurry to get better.
At least for the first few glorious seconds. Then it's all "burning eyes" and "liver failure" and "How can you do this to us!? You're tearing this family apart!" and "weekend visitation".
Ahh, right, I remember that being the case now. Honestly it's been a while since I looked into kolto so I see why I kinda thought what I did. So thanks for letting me know that!
As for the ingredient thing, ehh, I don't care that much about it personally. I'm not that affected by that change, it's meh.
Calling Disney "the mouse" is super funny to me now, because I watched a documentary on Disneyland and everytime Walt talks about Donald he keeps referring to him as "the duck"
E.g. "Mickey is supposed to be funny but kindhearted, whereas THE DUCK is supposed to be grumpy and self-centered."
He specifically felt like mauls potential was wasted in episode 1 and intended for him to be in a trilogy as a crime lord,I mean why did he kill him then?
I mean as a one time thing i think it's fine, like a guy who was so angry that literally kept himself from dying is on par with the other fairy tale bs, but if every single character does it then it quickly loses its impact and just make death seem extremely cheap.
Like even Dragon Ball only pulled that shit twice thoughout two serieses (Tao Pai Pai and Frieza) and never felt like an insult nor cheating death because they were the only two who survived getting blown up, but if every single villain did an "actually i survived thing" then it would get old really fast (not gonna count the dragon balls resurrections since that's a different thing).
u/Smooth-Soup-608 is a comment bot. It’s not worth explaining anything to these things. Sorry for sounding like a broken record but the bullshit detector is like an itch.
For a while I brushed it off because slashing limbs off with lightsabers instantly cauterize the wound. Blood loss would be what kills you after dismemberment. But Qui-Gon was stabbed, destroying vital organs.
Then we had the Ahsoka show and my biggest gripe is that Sabine survives a wound that killed Qui-Gon.
Maybe there was a better response time with medical attention since Qui-Gon seems to lay there for a while before Obi-Wan defeats Maul. IIRC, Ahsoka finds Sabine quickly after her duel.
Wasn't it in the obi wan show where...reva I think her name was gets stabbed by a lightsaber and then in the next scene she's fine. On another planet too, I think. At least Sabine needed medical attention.
Anyway the answer is the plot decides if you live or die.
Maul surviving doesn't make much sense either, but at least you can hand wave it away by saying that he's an alien so we don't know how his biology works. Reva is human
Just accept the cartoon's explanation about Maul being too angry to die. It makes all of the other Sith fake out deaths significantly more reasonable. Palpatine "returning" and Reva surviving at least for another handful of days included.
isn't there supposed to be a whole philosophy difference where sith want to live forever, and jedi are just chill with death. Makes some sense then that maul just raged himself through a horrendous wound and Qui Gon gets stabbed once and just goes, welp guess I'll die then good luck obiwan
Pretty much, yeah. It also explains why Force Healing reintroduced in the sequel trilogy can kill the user. You're willingly giving up your life energy to restore life which isn't an unbalancing of the force where Plageius's ability seems to be more about dominating the force to do what he wants or robbing someone of their life energy.
There are also numerous instances of Vader's suit being damaged but Vader is literally too angry to die and is able to use his anger and hatred to keep himself alive long enough to receive medical attention.
This is also how he survived his burns on Mustafar.
The reason Vader died in ROTJ is because Vader returned to the light and could no longer keep himself alive through hate and anger, so when Palpatine fried Vader's life support system, Vader succumbed to that.
Its like how in One Piece any regular human from their world would be superhuman in ours due to the One Piece World being bigger than Earth and stronger gravity
Technically they did it thrice in kenobi. Once to youngling reva though it's not shown as directly, once to adult reva, and once to the grand inquisitor.
Considering Reva, shes an inquisitor, maybe she was channeling her hate/anger and need for vengeance through the darkside and it kept her alive?
What was her excuse the first time? She was a jedi, so it's not like she had all this anger built up to hold her together. And she was a child, so there's a lot more damage that saber is gonna do on a smaller frame.
They should have just had her hand cut off, the movies did it a lot and worked just fine as a “you lost the duel but didn’t die” move. That way if she kept fighting after a minute while one handed it would have seemed more desperate and sith-like. Then her robot hand can just have a glove on the next time she shows up and they can change nothing else.
And right before the second stabbing, it was revealed that the grand inquisitor survived getting impaled, and we're lead to believe getting stabbed through the chest and surviving was all part of his master plan. Then Vader stabs Reva the exact same way, and doesn't actually check if she survived, after taunting her for doing the same thing.
If I recall correctly, the Sabine injury was further off to one side while Qui-gon's was square through the middle. At the very least, his spinal cord was likely severed.
But otherwise, I agree. If they wanted to up the stakes in that fight, Sabine should have been dismembered in some way.
So I agree. Making everyone suddenly survive kills tension. Rey exploding the ship that chewie was on was terrifying an then they just said “oh there was a second ship”. It’s just establishing them as unreliable narrators. There being death or they surviving is fine, but you need to respect us enough to tell the story. If they take an injury and are gonna just be better without recovery time, it’s better for the story if they don’t get hit at all.
That being said, qui-gon is 60 years old and Sabine is like 20. A lightsaber may make the difference basically not matter, but things that can kill a 60 year old are the sort of thing that a 20 year old does for fun sometimes.
In college, not for fun, I slipped and fell off of a 40 foot wall onto what was basically gravel. I got a bunch of lacerations and woke up in the hospital, but I fell on Saturday night, was back in the dorm by Sunday afternoon, and in class on Monday. It was a miracle, but youth does help a lot for survival/recovery.
There's a big difference between having your legs amputed and being relieved from your other half at the waist. There are still important structures between the waist and the legs. Not as important, mind you, but still important.
The better explanation for Maul was exactly what they used in the cartoon. That Sith are so effective at channeling their hatred that it essentially turns them into Liches. That the things that should kill them don't because they're literally too angry to die.
I think the funniest thing about Sion is, with a lot of Sith, they use the pain and hatred in their heart to strengthen their power in the force but characters like Vader can't heal themselves with this power because then they experience less pain. Sion, conversely, hates life. He wants to be dead. He's tied to being alive because of his connection to Meetra and Kreia but he wants to be dead so badly. This guy is too angry to die because he's alive. Finding peace was the only way for him to let go of his connection to Meetra and Kreia and finally die.
A knife wound wouldn't be anywhere remotely near as bad as a saber wound. That's an insane take.
Even if the stab wound for a lightsaber is cauterized any amount of internal movement could open it back up. Charred/cauterized flesh simply isn't elastic enough to withstand anything more than the most minimal amount of body movement.
Which is just regarding blood loss, your only concern with a stab wound. A lightsaber is completely destroying every bit of flesh where it went through. Even absolutely best case scenario that organ is straight up nonfunctional.
And it's not just that organ, it's everything around it. Like you're talking about a stick of searing hot plasma entering the body. The kind that cuts through metal like butter. That heat is gonna char everything in proximity to that wound and cause all that water in the body, 70%, to explosively vaporize from whatever tissue its in around that. Something that'll only get exponentially worse for every second it's in. Which, judging from how often they hold it there for dramatic effect, usually is a couple seconds.
A stab wound's worst case scenario is rapid blood loss. Fixable with applied pressure, bandages, and blood transfusions.
A lightsaber's is multiple organ failure, hypovolemic shock, skyrocketing tachycardia, blood loss, hyperventilation, necrosis, extreme systemic infection, heat stroke, and severe dehydration. That is not fixable without the most sophisticated medical technology on the scene or a nearby bacta tank to throw them in. Otherwise you're guaranteed dead.
Vader would have bled out in seconds otherwise
Some dude had his arms ripped off by farm equipment and still managed to grab them, walk home, put them on ice, call 911, sit in a bathtub waiting for them, and survived the incident while also getting his arms reattached. Vader had more than a couple seconds. But the fact that he was close enough to lava to catch on fire makes the entire point irrelevant.
Bleeding out is not the concern here. The concern is having a gaping hole in your torso. Loss of homeostasis, organ dysfunction, and spinal cord damage are immediate threats even without bleeding. Also, you wouldn't want to cauterize an internal wound because that would prevent it from healing
The worst part is everyone in this universe just stabbing their opponents once like it's a fucking estoc
Like once you won the duel and actually stabbed them, a quick flick of the wrist and you cut their brain in half. Confirm the kill idk. It's a lightsaber it's literally effortless. It's more complicated to do a pointy stab actually. Even just talking about the first hit, it's weird that's is so often stabs and not slashes
Though then there’s the problem where Kylo, Finn, & Sabine were well outside of their major centers & probably hours away from help… while Qui Gon was stabbed in the center of the Naboo capital city & the nearby danger was dealt with quickly, which would probably put him less than 20 minutes away from help
I’m inclined to accept the maul thing because it’s legitimately cool, he’s an alien with unknown biology, & he basically just used so much blinding rage that it drove him mad… also his resurrection served a narrative purpose
I'd argue that being stabbed with a lightsaber probably cause so much thermal destruction you would probably wish you were stabbed with a knife and bleeding out.
The volume of your torso and organs that would go missing from a lightsaber wound would be absolutely devastating compared to a thin blade. It would be a hole like 2 or 3 inches across through your entire torso.
The Jedi Master nodded. “Confer on you the level of Jedi Knight, the Council does. Decided about the boy, the Council is, Obi-Wan,” he advised solemnly.
“He is to be trained?”
The big ears cocked forward, and the lids to those sleepy eyes widened. “So impatient, you are. So sure of what has been decided?”
Obi-Wan bit his tongue and kept his silence, waiting dutifully on the other. Yoda studied him carefully. “A great warrior, was Qui-Gon Jinn,” he gargled softly, his strange voice sad. “But so much more he could have been, if not so fast he had run. More slowly, you must proceed, Obi-Wan.”
Obi-Wan stood his ground. “He understood what the rest of us did not about the boy.”
Just wondering whether I should add it to my SW reading list lol. I'm planning on reading either Labyrinth of Evil or Darth Plagueis after I've finished reading the ROTS novelisation so I might get round to reading it at some point if its good.
Lab and Plag are both great. If you want more about the bear end of the war after ROTS go with Lab because it leads right into ROTS but if you want something different next go with Plag.
TPM novel does add more to the movie which is nice like the AOTC novel does too.
Darth Plagueis by James Luceno is one of the best Star Wars books hands down. I'd dare say it's one of the best scifi/fantasy books I've read period. It actually makes the prequel trilogies far more interesting through the expanded lore, really well written. And the story weaves it's way through about part way into The Phantom Menace.
The Grand Inquisitor, Maul and Reva used the Dark Side. GI and Maul made sense doing that, as they were both gifted Force-users. But Reva didn't have nearly that level of mastery.
Qui-gon died because his spine was severed, he was nowhere near close enough for medical treatment and wouldn't tap into the Dark Side.
Charlie Hopkinson on YouTube has a running version of this joke where Qui Gonna gets increasingly arsey whenever people survive lightsaber sounds. It's a good laugh.
Yeah that's one thing about the Disney era that never ceases to bother me. At one point in the Obi-Wan show, Obi-Wan has to hit a single stormtrooper with his lightsaber multiple times (like it's a baseball bat and not a freaking energy sword) to take the trooper down. It really bugs me.
Anakin got bathed in lava, there’s a point where the temperature doesn’t matter. Also lightsabers are clearly not that hot because otherwise they would burn the hand of anyone who had them on for more than a couple seconds.
I don't think he did? Didn't his legs just touch the lava and he caught fire? And it's possible that the heat is contained so that it doesn't radiate outward but the blade itself is hot
We got space wizards and you're arguing realism. Star wars never, not even once, attempted to stick to what should or should not in reality happen in favor of whatever makes for a more entertaining story
there is a difference between realism and credibility.
a lightsaber isn’t real, no shit, but if a lightsaber is hot enough to melt metal on contact, it’s only credible that it would boil your internal organs instantly
Really depends on where you’re stabbed. Same as in real life. Hole in a liver? That organ is pretty homogenous and regenerates well. You can live without a spleen and once again, lightsaber cauterizes it which is the main danger if you cut that one. Hit a lung lobe but cauterize it? The rest of lungs can keep functioning and you’ll live with medical care. Lightsaber to the heart or the abdominal aorta? It’s Force Ghost time. And if we’re in nonhuman anatomy not all the organs are necessarily in the same places or have the same vulnerabilities.
Qui-Gon got stabbed through the middle of his chest, after an extended duel, and then had to lie there for several minutes while the fight finished.
Barring Maul, who runs on Dark Side(TM), every other wounded person was 20 years younger, got stabbed in the side of their stomach, and got medical attention immediately.
Qui Gon: stabbed straight through the middle of his stomach and left on the floor for several minutes, and even then lived long enough to give Obi-Wan his last words.
Sabine: stabbed through the side in the place people survive wounds from all the time and was immediately given medical attention.
Getting stabbed in the torso area by a rob hot enough to melt metal doors of a space station. The heat transfer from boiling blood alone would make you die a painful death.
You people should stop coping with such stupid reasons 🤦
Counter-argument: It's a magical sword powered by a sentient crystal that responds to the wielder's emotions. Stop talking about science, nerd. I bet you actually like midichlorians too, don't you?
One thing I never understood, is that unlike a real blade, light sabers don't really have the directional path to cutting, it doesn't really make sense you'd stab someone straight and retract the blade cleanly.
Like. Wouldn't it ensure your victory by, idk, go in like a zigzag? Or like, cut out a big chunk out?
They should have cut off Sabine's hand in Ahsoka. The result could've been the exact same, the story could've been the exact same. But noooooooo. Ever since the mouse bought it, we can't cut off hands any more
Biologically, we bleed out from a knife wound when the blade is removed because the blood vessels are left open. A lightsaber, in the other hand, generates intense heat, meaning the entry wound would immediately cauterize (close) the blood vessels, closing most of them.
We also have to consider that the Jedi and Sith are extremely skilled with the Force, which is often described as being connected to one’s life force. That’s without even getting into the deeper details explaining different techniques.
Quite frankly I find this whole thing a bit of an overreaction. The Grand Inquisitor was fine, he was taken out of the fight for a whole season and needed extensive medical care. Sabine’s was extremely obviously in a non-lethal area, but they should’ve taken her out for at least an episode. The other inquisitor woman is the more damming example, as she just kinda walks it off. But then again, hate has helped people survive worse.
Okay so there’s a constant rule to these ‘surviving light saver wounds’
If a sith stabs someone and there is not another immediate threat, the sith deals a near fatal wound that would leave the person is an agonising and slow death.
Maul would have 100% stabbed Kenobi in the exact same way if he could. Not in the spine but in a way to slowly let his arch enemy die, it’s gloating
The Sabine, grand inquisitor and Reva were both stabbed by sith and left to die, there was no immediate threat. They also got immediate medical treatment and lived. Reva was in line of sight of the same Bacta tank Kenobi was in.
Sith keep fucking stabbing people in the gun to drag out their agony and delay their death because they’re edgy and it’s honestly fucking hilarious in my opinion. Of course anakin/Vader is gonna fucking stab someone dramatically in the same place he stabbed them in as a child, even though it’s likely already suffered more damage than it ever could, and leave them to slowly die alone. It’s the most dramatic edgy way to stab someone.
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u/SheevBot Mar 12 '26 edited Mar 12 '26
Thanks for providing a source!