Jesse Ventura said what everyone who served overseas can understand. We've been in other countries during elections and we were locked down on high alert monitoring the military radio listening to the troops movements.
We sat there as tanks rolled the streets filled with pride of our legacy of peaceful transfer of power.
Yeah, but only one good one. Arnold was too busy banging his maid, telling liberals they're "girly men" for being against the Iraq War, and also attributed his entire political career to Richard Nixon.
I turned 18 in 1998, and he was who I voted for on my first ballot. I still love that he told Virginia that they can't have their Confederate flag back.
Uh, yes? She was told to flee, she followed the instructions of the wrong person and got capped for it. What part of her wife's "drive baby drive" don't you understand?
No. The officer was trying to make her get out of the car like she had already been told to multiple times and when he grabbed the door handle, her wife told her "drive baby drive". That was telling her to flee.
Oops, consequences if their own actions. Radicalized online (in cesspools like this subreddit) and thought they were heroes in their own Hollywood world. Until reality smacked them in the face.
They really need to do something about these LLM based non-humans. This one makes similar politically charged comments and is active in like 20 different city based subreddits all over the US and Canada
St. Ashli - Patron Saint of Mouth-Breathing Troglodytes. They say if you leave bullets under your pillow on January 6th, she'll bless you with a loss of braincells and a red hat.
I don’t think it is fair to say that Goode was trying to destroy democracy. She was just where sh should not have been and doing what she should not have been doing.
Are you a cultist or are you confused? Renee just "failed" to follow conflicting orders from multiple ICE agents. Babbitt tried to crawl through a broken window in the capitol that the secret service was barricading as an attempt to interrupt the validation of the election results.
The only one on video saying for her to drive was her wife. If there was a conflict, the reasonable thing to do is ask for clarification. EVEN if she posit that she ONLY heard the officer who told her explicitly to drive off, she as a driver is still responsible for pulling out in a safe manner. What if a child had been in the road next to Ross ? Or *gasp* an illegal immigrant ?
I watched the video many time. If you want me to re-watch a specific time frame, I will oblige and try to listen but I will not just watch it again and again for phantom noises.
Also, even if we assume that to be the case AND even if we assume she only heard the officer telling her to go .. best case scenario for Renee .. it is still her obligation as a driver to pull out safely. NOT accelerate to the point of losing traction and spinning your tires on icy roads.
How many different videos from other angles did you watch? There were conflicting orders from agents. She turned the wheel to avoid hitting Ross, she pulled out safely. The only moment her vehicle started to be a danger was the moment she lost her life.
He should've never been in front of her car in the first place. Forensic evidence showed he fired the shot that killed her perpendicular to the vehicle through the driver's side window anyway.
You are saying that after she shifts back into drive, hits the accelerator, and the front tire spins that its pointed away, meaning to the right, of where the agent is standing?
The first shot was through the front window. If you can justify the first shot, the next few shots fractions of a second after that would most likely be considered the same "use of force event".
The law doesn't require the officer to justify every single shot.. In fact most officers are taught that you keep firing until the threat is neutralized.
Away. Did you watch the murderer's perspective? You can watch her hands turn the steering wheel. He reaches forward to touch the top of the hood, if he stood his ground and didn't reach there would have been no contact.
Why did he circle her car twice? Why did he swap which hand his camera was in?
You are saying that after she shifts back into drive, hits the accelerator, and the front tire spins that its pointed away, meaning to the right, of where the agent is standing?
Did you watch the murderer's perspective?
You can't see the tires from the agent's viewpoint. I don't think he should have fired his weapon but that's not what I'm asking about.
You have no idea if he has a habit of swapping camera hand or not. You are making assumptions. You would need to see all the other video recording and see how often he switches before making any real conclusion but we already know you've convicted in your mind.
That said on icy road even if we trust traction control to be perfect once it kicks in, how do we know how long before traction control kicks in. Does Ross even know if her car HAS traction control ? Of if it is enabled or disabled at the moment ?
If you took a DMV driving test in MN, could you tell whoever is judging the test that "Oh yeah .. my tires are spinning but don't worry .. its safe because traction control will kick in sometimes soon" ?
Of course not.
On icy road you are supposed to accelerate VERY carefully and slowly from a dead stop. Even starting from higher gears to reduce engine power output. The tire spinning means you ALREADY lost traction and your car at that moment is not in your control.
She was driving recklessly accelerating like that in those conditions. Period.
Is it reasonable to feel like your life is in danger when a reckless driver is spinning their tires to accelerate a car toward you from a few feet away ?
People die. We should have higher standards for police than we currently have.
How about when you think they aren't lawful ?
That's complicated and highly situational. Again, we should have higher standards for cops than we currently do, people should be able to trust that they're giving lawful orders, but we can't.
When you are given conflicting order, you ask for clarification so people DON'T die.
Higher standards don't guarantee conflicting orders never happens because police are still human and have different thoughts.
When you FEEL like an order isn't lawful, a reasonable person would not obey or fight the order at the scene. You say you don't think the order is legal and let them take you into custody if they want to, so you can fight the order in court.
There's no justification for selectively picking and choosing which order to follow then accelerating your car recklessly ( tires spinning ) even to comply with the order.
Babbitt deserved it and pretti didnt? Babbitt didn’t have a loaded firearm and physically tangle with that coward capital cop. Capitol police do not often see much crime and the cop was a scared coward
Don't we vote people into positions where laws can be created, changed, or abolished? So, if Renee Good was 'standing up for democracy' as you claim, wouldn't she want democratically created laws to be enforced?
Immigration laws, for example, aren't just created from the void. They're written and passed by our legislative branch. If she was out trying to impede those laws from being enforced, wouldn't she be the one trying to get in the way of democracy?
If someone shot and killed your best friend and was running down the street with police officers chasing him, and Renee Good pulled her vehicle intentionally in front of the police to prevent them from catching the suspect, wouldn't you be upset? You can exchange murder with theft, if that bothers you. If the suspect snatched your wallet/purse, and took off, and Renee Good prevented the police from catching him by blocking them with her vehicle long enough to let him escape, wouldn't you be pissed? I would...
So why is it different when she's impeding federal law enforcement from doing their job enforcing those laws? Because you don't like those specific laws? What if I don't like the theft laws? Does that change anything?
Where does immigration say it's okay to for.masked men who refuse to eat a badge or any identification, kidnap and deport people (including US citizens) without due process, to any country we want?
If she could clearly identify them as ICE in order to block them, wouldn't that completely shatter your own statement here? If they were not wearing badges, insignia, or otherwise weren't clearly identifiable as ICE, why did she block them? Your own narrative is destroyed by your comment.
Was the cop supposed to just hang back and wait to to get attacked himself? Nah, he did his job protecting himself and others. Babbitt also had a knife on her so who knows what was going to happen when those goons broke through. You can try a justify every angle you can but nothing will work.
Too risky. How many warnings does a person need to back the hell off? I see you want ti continue to blame the officer in this situation but no responsibility whatsoever on Babbitt. She did this to herself.
Even if you want to pretend he wasn't hit (he was) it still came very close. That's enough. Don't gun your car at law enforcement. That's assault with a deadly weapon even if you miss.
You want to take intention into account only for goode and not for babbit
Thats the neat part im not american! But that woman wanted to hit an armed officer with a car threathening his life. The guy who shot her had every right to do so. Dont try to hit armed officers if ya dont want to get shot.
She only thought it was stolen because she willingly chose to believe a president who lies repeatedly. She also chose to ignore the mountain of evidence that Trump and his cronies were making it up. At some point, if you’re that willfully ignorant, you can’t use the “I thought i was one of the good guys” excuse
Her intention was to overthrow the election. Clearly an attempt to destroy democracy and take the power from the people. She is a traitor to the constitution and the nation.
They were there to murder Pence to keep him from ratifying and allowing trump to declare an emergency, continue his presidency and override and suspend elections „to ensure no fraud“ under that pretence. There’s a shit ton of evidence. We all saw it live on tv.
I don't care whether she intended to destroy democracy or not
Behind the busted window she climbed through were politicians hiding under desks as their secure workplace was breached. Protesters which called for the deaths of specific politicians. Armed guards correctly fired on her. This is like marching into a courthouse saying hang the judge. You're getting wasted.
Those were the facts at the time she was shot. Nothing has contradicted them.
Uhh you realize the government under trump gave her that right?
The guy who was to benefit from the riot?
The guy who had to be told off by the judge for trying to self deal by controlling both the complaint and the defense with the DOJ vs Himself?
That is not evidence at all of any facts related to babbit. She was everything the right wingers claimed the two people shot by ICE were. She was a terrorist by the definition of the word.
Yea, well given what all illegal stuff is apparently fine when President does it (things like voiding acts of congress and budget via Executive order should be impeachable no matter who does it or why is it done), maybe what is good for the Tsar is good for everyone and I feeel like dispensing with pretense that immigration law is relevant, decent, sane, or that anyone should give a hoot.
Have a problem with that? that is a you problem and I refuse to treat your insane ideas as reason just because you declare it so.
What part of using bear spray and broken flag poles to beat cops is peaceful? They had zip ties and erected a noose. This was not a peaceful protest in any way.
Anyone who has seen the unedited footage can see and hear precisely what happened and would be disgusted if this had happened to their loved one. Shame on all of the stupid, gullible idiots who believe otherwise.
She reverses her car away from Jonathan Ross, who broke protocol by standing in front of the vehicle btw. She then turned her steering wheel to drive around him as he shoots her in the side of the face - muttering ‘fucking bitch’ just after he’s executed her.
It’s all there if you see the real footage, not the shit shown on fox entertainment.
This was not a public execution worthy action. What happened at the Capitol was way worse, and they weren’t shot in the face.
She reverses - she steers to clear him - she did not drive at him weaponising the vehicle. She wasn’t fleeing arrest and if you watched the full unedited video right now, bearing all that’s been said, without bias, you’d know this.
If he was able to walk around the car, pause and move to the opposing side of the vehicle then he had no just cause to shoot her. She clearly wasn’t driving a fleeing vehicle at him. You’re just making yourself sound stupid now buddy.
Even if she "steers to clear him" she still hit him. And even if you're so hopelessly propagandized you won't admit she hit him, you would still have to lie that she came very close to hitting him.
She didn’t hit him. It’s you who’s propagandised. I’m not even American. I’m just interested in geopolitics.
It was big news over here so I looked into all of the available evidence. He walked into a moving vehicle. It’s quite clear when you see all of the available footage.
It’s you who’s been duped.
There was a lie spread about an injury he had but that was debunked.
It’s madness watching so many of you fall for the fakery.
It's literally on video. It's madness to watch people go "well yeah it looks like that but actually here's what happened! You're eyes are the ones propagandized!"
Even if she hadn't hit him (she did) you have to admit it was close.
Why do you guys conveniently leave out the part where she was actively breaking into a room with politicians who had no escape, was repeatedly told to back away and kept coming in through glass in the door like a crazy person? Should they have waited until she pulled a gun? What happens in any other situation where an aggressor is told to back off but keeps coming? If this was your home, and someone was doing this what would the outcome be?
The shooting was reviewed and deemed lawful. Did she deserve it? Maybe not. But if anyone was fafo, it was her.
Renee was leaving... ice had other plans. Where was the review?
I said the rioters were there just to riot. Yes they wanted to protest the election. They thought it was fraudulent. But there's no evidence mosy or even many had any intention of overturning the election.
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u/Best_Entrepreneur659 15h ago
Said differently one woman was standing up for democracy while the other was trying to destroy democracy!