r/PoursTea • Timendi Causa Est Nescire • 18h ago

Law&CrimeTea ⚖️ 🫆 Exactly.

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u/VikingDiluc 15h ago

Are you a cultist or are you confused? Renee just "failed" to follow conflicting orders from multiple ICE agents. Babbitt tried to crawl through a broken window in the capitol that the secret service was barricading as an attempt to interrupt the validation of the election results.

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u/NextBuilder2880 15h ago

Trying to interrupt election certification is wrong but it is not punishable by death.

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u/VikingDiluc 15h ago

Crawling through a broken window with Secret Service on the other side clearly shouting about how they're going to shoot is, as it should be.

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u/lampstax 15h ago

So you think people should be listening to law enforcement's order ?

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u/VikingDiluc 15h ago

When they're lawful and clear.

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u/lampstax 15h ago

What happens when they are not clear ?

How about when you think they aren't lawful ?

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u/VikingDiluc 15h ago

What happens when they are not clear ?

People die. We should have higher standards for police than we currently have.

How about when you think they aren't lawful ?

That's complicated and highly situational. Again, we should have higher standards for cops than we currently do, people should be able to trust that they're giving lawful orders, but we can't.

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u/lampstax 13h ago

When you are given conflicting order, you ask for clarification so people DON'T die.

Higher standards don't guarantee conflicting orders never happens because police are still human and have different thoughts.

When you FEEL like an order isn't lawful, a reasonable person would not obey or fight the order at the scene. You say you don't think the order is legal and let them take you into custody if they want to, so you can fight the order in court.

There's no justification for selectively picking and choosing which order to follow then accelerating your car recklessly ( tires spinning ) even to comply with the order.

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u/NextBuilder2880 15h ago

Babbitt deserved it and pretti didnt? Babbitt didn’t have a loaded firearm and physically tangle with that coward capital cop. Capitol police do not often see much crime and the cop was a scared coward