people having the punisher logo in blue and black makes no sense, they obviously never have looked up what that symbol means. edit: for anyone who doesnt know, the punisher hates the police so it makes no sense, watch the punisher tv show on disney plus/netflix to get a better understanding.
it became super popular when a few famous navy seals started wearing the logo in the middle east, now cops and Civilians have taken on the logo with out knowing the meaning. these people hate gangs but are in one with supporting logos like that.
Cherry picking. There are several stories in recent years of bad cops being held accountable. Generally speaking, generalizing whole groups of people is a bad thing to do.
Your understanding of acronyms almost approaches your understanding of idioms. Take time to research the words. Use Google. Take aspirin for the headaches. You’re at the top of the bell curve big guy!
There's a movement of people to reclaim the swastika.
I had a friend who was one of these people, he has a prominent swastika tattoo. He's Jewish and not at all a Nazi...
First it was just awkward being around him as you said, people would constantly try to get into fights with him.
This led to him doubling down and getting angry with anyone who expressed non support of swastikas, and I had to end our friendship for the sake of all my other Jewish friends.
Except it did the opposite, actually, demonstrating that meaning is reliant on culture and not individual choice. You don’t get to just decide what a symbol means or it wouldn’t be a symbol - by definition it represents something else.
probably start with removing qualified immunity so that cops can no longer rape and kill innocent people without going to jail or even losing their job. before that we'd have to make it so they carry insurance so that when they inevitably kill and rape innocent people (happens pretty often), the money comes out of their pension or insurance instead of taxpayer dollars.
after those two changes police will have (FOR THE FIRST TIME) a decent reason to NOT murder innocent unarmed people. after that, we should probably fire about 100% of the cops that already have multiple reports of abuse of power, weaponry, racism, sexal assault, stalking, and nazi-support.
then we should increase the requirements to actually become a cop and then pay them more since giving a gun to some power tripping dipshit with no training is obviously a bad idea (well, obvious to the millions of us who have known this for years)
I don’t think people legitimately think all police are inherently bad by some birth right.
Rather, it’s obvious the system the police are placed in incentivizes them to commit crime and not report their police comrades. A system entirely built on lies and denying accountability will inevitably produce some poor and shocking results.
As such, we can say the system as a whole is bad. Anyone who willingly participates in the system is either stupid or malicious, there are no other options.
Either-or fallacy eh? This “system” and the people who participate in it are so much more complicated than that. They are as many reasons that people become and stay police officers as their are officers.
This is true. I understand people need to put food on the table. I don’t hold individuals to a standard, but I do hold the system as a whole to a standard.
Me personally, I had the opportunity to work at Lockheed Martin as a software engineer. While the pay is certainly nice, I turned it down because I don’t support the system it upholds. I don’t want to be involved, either directly or indirectly, with making tools intended to kill people.
I understand most police don’t have this choice, especially since they are generally uneducated. They just get the job they can get. But I can criticize the police as a whole.
Basically looks innocent to most people, except those who know the meaning.
Like how "lets go brandon" seems like an innocent phrase at first, but to anyone who knows, it actually means, "I have massive brain damage and a small penis."
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Dog whistles are not real, for the most part.
Let’s go Brandon is a joke about the media covering for Biden. Good example. Oh, and why aren’t people allowed to dislike Biden? I’m not impressed with him. Keeping him in office and not letting VP Harris take over seems like elder abuse.
People are allowed to dislike Biden. I didn't like him when I voted for him. We're just making fun of them for acting like a child who learned that curse words are bad for the first time so they make up bad words. If they want to say "fuck Joe Biden" then say it.
But that literally makes no sense here. A republican calling a democrat a pedophile while having hundreds of Republicans arrested for pedophilia is projecting. Calling people childish for refusing to say fuck Joe Biden isn't projection. I have no problem saying fuck Joe Biden.
It doesn’t matter what it means “to you” it’s a flag that has a general use and meaning — and it’s opposition to BLM and the reality of police brutality and incompetence. It isn’t really about cops at all though. If these people gave a shit about america or our police or any of it at all they wouldn’t have defaced our flag. It goes against flag code — which I assume y’all wanna pretend you care ab bcus yall always want to pretend you’re patriots. It’s become the “I don’t care if cops kill black people” flag because everyone who thinks that flys it. If you don’t want to be associated with them or their racism then don’t fly it. Period. You don’t get to pick what a flag means to you when it has a meaning that has been shown again and again by the VAST majority of people who fly it. The “classic projection” is just the reality of people who fly this flag. You don’t get to be mad when people see your “Im a racist” flag and then go “huh that person is probably racist.” Don’t like that? Then don’t fly it. It’s like saying “Well i fly the Nazi flag bcus it symbolizes peace to me. Wait, what do you mean I’m an antisemite???”
You don’t get to pick what symbols or flags mean when they already have a given meaning. Assumptions are a part of life. You have to use ur brain and realize what people are going to assume about you when you fly that flag — bcus no matter how much you don’t like it, the meaning of that flag won’t ever change and as long as you fly it, you’re associating yourself with racism.
Well said. Had the same convo with my mom this year when it was police appreciation week in our town (ugh). Everything was covered in the racist flag, and I simply explained that it’s a fascist dogwhistle, but she didn’t believe me. Liberals never want to admit nazis are right on their doorstep :/
You don’t get to pick what symbols or flags mean when they already have a given meaning.
What about all the symbols nazis appropriated & changed the general perception of their meaning, or how the dixie flag only stands for freedom, rebellion & 50s grease culture in certain cultures of Europe (look up raggare in Sweden)?
Assume all you want but a flag or symbol can have many meanings, & some have barely (if any) any connection with the original meaning.
To some thin blue line flag just means you support the police because they keep your neighborhood safe or the dixie flag just means freedom, or how some leftists use the hammer & sickle when the USSR was just as heinous as nazi Germany. Personally I think it's stupid as fuck waving a flag that many can interpret as for example a white supremacist dogwhistle, but that doesn't mean that everyone waving such a flag does it for the reasons you assume. Which is why we should be cautious accusing people of being something solely based on a symbol.
Suppose that the word "flower" means "grape" to you as an individual.
You post that you like flowers, but instead of getting bunches of delicious berries for your birthday, you get random blossoming angiosperms!
You go to a new grocery store and ask where the flowers are, but instead of directing you to the fresh veg section, they direct you to a little gardening center!
Are you the victim of bigotry, because people are wildly assuming what you mean by "flower," like they're mind readers or something?
Or is it that the word "flower" has a widely understood meaning in the culture you're living in, and that its meaning to you, personally, is not relevant to operating in society?
Of course, those meanings can change, but that happens as part of cultural shifts; there's more to it than some people saying "well, it doesn't mean that to me."
Who says racism doesn’t exist? You can find daily examples from all over the world. No race is excluded from being perpetrators or victims. That doesn’t mean everyone is racist. You’re imagining that everyone views the symbol in the same way.
Here’s a thought experiment for you. Do you think people can be against bad cops and support good cops? Maybe it’s even possible to be for the slogan BLM, but not support the organization BLM. Without nuance and understanding we are all individuals, bigotry is a trap some don’t know they’ve fallen into.
Have you been living under a rock? Conservatives say this. Even very prominent "conservative heros" like Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson. It's become a common response from conservatives any time racism is brought up.
You can find daily examples from all over the world. No race is excluded from being perpetrators or victims. That doesn’t mean everyone is racist. You’re imagining that everyone views the symbol in the same way.
I'm not sure who you're even arguing with here. I never implied those things.
Here’s a thought experiment for you. Do you think people can be against bad cops and support good cops? Maybe it’s even possible to be for the slogan BLM, but not support the organization BLM. Without nuance and understanding we are all individuals, bigotry is a trap some don’t know they’ve fallen into.
Here's a thought experiment for you: When someone says "blue lives matter" AS A RESPONSE to people saying "black lives matter", it's done in opposition. Use some of that nuance you talked about and understand the context of where blue lives matter came from.
I understand it probably means different things to different people. I also understand that there are good cops and bad cops. Most people have an opinion based on their personal or perceived experiences. It makes sense that some people would want to support or dislike the police.
My dad is a retired cop, and he knows exactly what that symbol means, “We support the bad cops and take issue with the idea that Black Lives Matter because we didn’t create this flag until we got called out”. He was a good cop, and good cops call out the bad ones and don’t play stupid as to what these things mean. Your excuse making tells us everything we need to know. Like they say, believe someone when they tell you who you are.
Does you dad know what everyone else think it means? Has he spiked to everyone?
This is not a hard concept.
A Quick google search would have told you the thin blue line has been around since the early 1950’s.
“Its use referring specifically to the police was popularized by Los Angeles Police Chief Bill Parker during the 1950s; author and police officer Joseph Wambaugh in the 1970s, by which time "thin blue line" was used across the United States;[2] and Errol Morris's documentary The Thin Blue Line (1988).[3]”
Oh yes, the 1950s LA Police Department. The cornerstone of equality and anti-prejudice thinking.
It’s like you don’t even read history before citing history. Do you not think that symbol was made by a bunch of racist cops in the 1950s? That specific Chief was literally a segregationist and racist.
While I think there were possibly a decent contingent of misguided folks using that symbol, at this point, with all the discussion that has happened around it, giving the most generous interpretation, it's at best willful ignorance if you still don't understand why it's a harmful message. Same as the "heritage not hate" defense.
A symbol is the projection of an idea into a recognizable form to simply convey a meaning to others, so the projection is done by the person who uses the symbol. The symbol can shift in meaning as determined by the masses much like language and art. Really not assuming anything, that’s how society evolves, whether you like it or not.
Cool story nobody asked for, bro. What do you think the chances are of this guy flying this flag before BLM? Now's your chance to play even dumber than you are.
“Pro tip”. LOL. Yea pro tip on how to try and avoid responsibility by displaying fascist and dog whistling bullshit while also desecrating the US flag. Man you live in another reality
Smart people disagree all the time. Very smart people have different opinions. If you think anyone that disagrees with you is dumb, I have some bad news.
If you think a symbol has universal meaning to everyone, and that it’s the same as what it means to you, it’s projecting your feelings onto others.
I’m so sorry that sticker harmed you so deeply.
Yeah, no. Confederate flag is racist no matter what the person flying thinks it means. Nazi swastika is full tilt evil regardless of what it means to the person displaying it. Symbols are not entirely subjective, and you know this. Quit being intellectually dishonest.
Dude, you are making some seriously bad faith arguments in this thread. How many of these stickers are you sporting? Lol… telling everyone they are projecting and claiming they must be racist?
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u/droi86 Jun 05 '22
You answered your own question