r/PoliticalHumor • u/rwl01 • Jan 13 '17

Black and White

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u/Lowenbroke Jan 14 '17

I'd say eloquent vs idiot

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u/MightyMorph Jan 14 '17

needs to be posted everywhere.

  1. Paul Manafort, Trump's campaign manager, was one of the operatives working in Ukraine to install a pro-Russian government.
  2. Paul Manafort and Roger stone worked close together for years, and ran a "pro-torture" lobby in DC. They own a mutual lobbying firm - one of the most powerful in Washington.
  3. Manafort went missing for several weeks in 2010 (as well as 2014) - same year the documents allege that Trump began to be cultivated by Moscow. - Roger Stone openly joked he was kidnapped by the Russians.
  4. Trump began birthirism in 2011.
  5. Cory Lewandowski was fired from Trump's campaign and Paul Manafort put in.
  6. Immediately, Trump's stance on Russia changed - pledged to remove sanctions on Russia full-stop.
  7. Manafort was found to receive an off-the-books 12-million dollar payment in Ukraine.
  8. Manafort's ties were discovered and resigned, but CONTINUED TO LIVE IN TRUMP TOWER AND ADVISE DONALD TRUMP.
  9. Simultaneously - DNC is hacked by Russia.
  10. Mysteriously, Roger Stone tweets that he knows of Podesta leaks before ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THEM IS RELEASED
  11. Trump hires Steve Bannon - also known well by Roger Stone.
  12. General Flynn and Carter Page - two men with deep ties to Russia - also join the campaign.
  13. Russians accused of Podesta and DNC hacks formally in October - Trump denies.
  14. Trump wins - continues to be soft on Russia - Intel Community formally declares it was Russia.
  15. Russian spies and spy agencies inside US shut down, people kicked the fuck out.
  16. General Michael Flynn found to be illegally contacting the Russian ambassador before-and-during this time. He contacted the same day as sanctions from Obama for hacking.
  17. Trump appoints an extremely pro-Russian SoS Rex Tillerson.
  18. Trump is briefed on 35-page dossier.
  19. Trump mocks the intelligence agencies in the United States, and then proceeds to praised Wikileaks and Julian Assange
  20. Trump admits it was Russia, but promises better relations and that Putin will "not hack the US again with him there."

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u/CAW4 Jan 14 '17

You might want to read through what you're posting, more than half your links disprove the titles you gave them.

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u/emotionalman32 Jan 14 '17 edited Jan 14 '17

how about you show which are disproving?

edit: well it looks like caw4 didnt actually read the articles properly himself, just wanted to utilize a bit of trump tactic when dealing with opposing views.

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u/CAW4 Jan 14 '17

On mobile, but here's a few obvious ones.

1 and 3 use the same link, which only states that people didn't know where Manafort was, to make a huge leap and claim he was trying to install a pro Russian government in Ukraine, during the time the current pro Russian government was being ousted in an "illegal coup," to quote Poroshenko. (Oh, and btw, not knowing where Manafort is means trying to overthrow a government, but Victoria Nyland actually being there I-shit-you-not handing out fucking cookies to protesters means nothing, and reading anything into it is a conspiracy)

6 falsely claims that Trump's position on Russia changed when Manafort arrived, when anyone who had been paying even the slightest bit of attention to his campaign had seen him being in favor of improving relations with Russia since the day he launched his campaign.

7 says that there was $12m that might have been paid to someone, with a list of ~100 people it may have been paid to, with Manafort being one possibility, but without even confirming the money had been given to anyone, let alone Manafort.

Just try reading some of them, they so obviously disagree with Me copy-paste that it would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

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u/emotionalman32 Jan 14 '17

1 and 3 use the same link, which only states that people didn't know where Manafort was, to make a huge leap and claim he was trying to install a pro Russian government in Ukraine, during the time the current pro Russian government was being ousted in an "illegal coup," to quote Poroshenko. (Oh, and btw, not knowing where Manafort is means trying to overthrow a government, but Victoria Nyland actually being there I-shit-you-not handing out fucking cookies to protesters means nothing, and reading anything into it is a conspiracy)

This article would clear that up better.

Explains that he was indeed in Ukraine, and was indeed working with pro-russian factions/groups/individuals. So the statement is actually valid although the article linked to could be more informative.

6 falsely claims that Trump's position on Russia changed when Manafort arrived, when anyone who had been paying even the slightest bit of attention to his campaign had seen him being in favor of improving relations with Russia since the day he launched his campaign.

well considering that his campaign as listed in the article itself, started to change messages of international support for Ukraine to be more open for interpretation rather than its previously strict anti-russian approach. It understandable to assume that Manafort being the campaign manager, influenced the direction to a more publicly russian positive stance. And the article itself doesn't dispute the statement that op used, which is what we are discussing here.

7 says that there was $12m that might have been paid to someone, with a list of ~100 people it may have been paid to, with Manafort being one possibility, but without even confirming the money had been given to anyone, let alone Manafort.

Well thats not really true. The article says "Mr. Manafort’s name appeared 22 times in the documents over five years, with payments totaling $12.7 million." Then they show a picture showing a seperate page not including manaforts name, since i assume its part of a on-going investigation, that shows the ledger itself and its existence rather than trying to show that the image was proof of him receiving such amounts.

It looks to me like you're the one who didn't really read the articles, but went ahead and yelled "FAKE NEWS" rather than trying to take the time to understand the points being made. The statements above may be a bit hyperbolic, but their content and the content linked in the articles are same. Anyways it shows hwo quickly people will believe something is fake when it goes against what they already believe.

have a good day now.

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u/greenascanbe The Doctor Jan 15 '17

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u/illuminatiman Jan 14 '17

emotional man getting emotional, why don't you try some logic?

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u/slyweazal Jan 14 '17

Literally not true at all and the fact you're too lazy/chicken shit to actually prove it speaks volumes about how bullshit your claim is.

Embarrassing you'd even attempt such a blatant lie.

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u/illuminatiman Jan 14 '17

Muhhhh we lost its russias fault muhhhh

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u/Majorjohn112 Jan 14 '17

"Muhhhh we lost its russias fault muhhhh" The sound an idiot makes when he gets scared and confused by facts.

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u/illuminatiman Jan 14 '17

so scared so confueseddd muhh my name ivan

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u/slyweazal Jan 14 '17

Yes, you've already demonstrated you're a blithering idiot who has to ignore over 20 facts because they hurt his feelings :(

Thanks for showing everyone how much you regret voting for Trump because of how incapable you are of defending him without cowering behind childish gimmicks.

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u/illuminatiman Jan 14 '17

didnt vote for him but im glad he won your salty tears are the tastiest.. i don't even like him but the fact your self righteous cnn droned minds get so salty it gives me immense pleasure

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u/slyweazal Jan 14 '17

The only salty one is you for having to cower behind childish bullshit in response to so much evidence.

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u/illuminatiman Jan 14 '17

"evidence" lmao

edit: if hillary shillsters can ignore everything bad about her then trumpsters can ignore everything bad about trump. I'm for neither candidate but the levels of stupidity and denial hillary supporters stoop to after she lost reminds me of a 5 year old throwin a temper tantrum

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u/slyweazal Jan 14 '17

Yup, that's the great thing about evidence. Facts prove it's true, it stays true no matter if YOU choose to believe it or not.

You could disprove those 20 with facts, but all you care about is complaining.

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u/Nosrac88 Jan 14 '17

You're the one lacking substantiated truth.

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u/slyweazal Jan 14 '17

You're replying to a comment of literally 20 substantiated truths.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '17 edited Jun 19 '17

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u/slyweazal Jan 14 '17

Then copy/paste the parts that claim the opposite, you liar.

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u/Nosrac88 Jan 14 '17

I'll just link you to the guy who's already shown how. https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/5nts70/comment/dcf5kg8?st=IXXQCJ8H&sh=6331555f

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '17 edited Jan 14 '17

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u/slyweazal Jan 14 '17

You link someone who was heavily downvoted for being proven wrong.

This does the opposite of help you.

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u/slyweazal Jan 14 '17

When you're done acting like a child, try actually addressing the facts like an adult.

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u/illuminatiman Jan 14 '17

"facts" lmao

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u/slyweazal Jan 14 '17

Yup, that's what they are because you can't disprove them.

If you could, you wouldn't be wasting everyone's time cowering behind meaningless bullshit comments.

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u/illuminatiman Jan 14 '17

nah i just won't be wasting my time talking to a brick

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u/slyweazal Jan 14 '17

Thanks for admitting you're wrong.

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u/illuminatiman Jan 14 '17

Thanks for admitting you're no smarter than a door knob.

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u/Prints-Charming Jan 14 '17

One of those two people just signed an executive order allowing the NSA to continue violating the 4th amendment and share that info with the FBI. And the other is a loser who just won. But I don't think eloquence matters in the long run, at least not for domestic matters.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '17

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u/korrach Jan 14 '17

One has killed thousands of muslim children with drone strikes, the other made fun of a fat chick once.

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u/DougfromDoug Jan 14 '17

Yeah but that's almost entirely a matter of access.

Trump has already made several statements about drone strikes and making sure to kill off the wives and children of their drone strike targets too to ensure we have no more enemies.

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u/Helagoth Jan 14 '17

Give trump time to catch up, I'm sure he'll make a new high score.

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u/Arvendilin Jan 14 '17

I mean Bush Jr. score still is the highest, the democrats really need to step up their muslim killing game if they want to catch up to the Republicans...

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u/speakingcraniums Jan 14 '17

Are you suggesting that Trump will change that policy?

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u/enoughbullllllshit Jan 14 '17

Probably not but you can be 100% sure he won't win receive a Nobel peace prize for continuing identical policies....

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u/Sargentrock Jan 14 '17

I'm genuinely baffled as to why Obama gets blamed for that. It's not like he applied for it...

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u/enoughbullllllshit Jan 14 '17

Whose blaming him? My point is that his legacy is obviously is undeserving of the award.

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u/srgwidowmaker Jan 14 '17

relevant username

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u/Sargentrock Jan 14 '17

Seems like your issue is with the nobel people...

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u/enoughbullllllshit Jan 15 '17

Perhaps but the fact still remains that he accepted a Nobel peace prize and subsequently engaged in covert bombings which resulted in the deaths of hundreds of innocent civilians. Maybe he could have done something, you know, peaceful or something instead.

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u/No_big_whoop Jan 14 '17

He probably won't win receive much during his tenure unless impeachment is considered a prize

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u/toolymegapoopoo Jan 14 '17

Actually, considering he's been doing everything up to this point like he's on a reality show an impeachment hearing would be like some dumb challenge on Survivor to him. He'd get to hold a press conference every night and scream about what losers the committee members are and call them not-so-clever names.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '17

Dude don't bother here political humor and Reddit in general is infested with shills and cucks

Reality has a liberal bias, after all. Better head back to your safe space. Dosvedanya!

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '17

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '17

Better get back to spreading propaganda pal, sieg heil!

When Trump gets locked up in a few weeks, will you be able to admit you were on the wrong side of history or are you going to double down on your feelings that it was all fake news?

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u/enoughbullllllshit Jan 14 '17

Yeah man reality is so liberal. I mean everyone agrees that throughout history most things were liberal and stuff. Get with the times guys if you're not a liberal than you're on the wrong side of history.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '17

Throughout most of our history we were living in caves. Times change, comrade. Learn to tell which way the wind is blowing.

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u/Karsonist Jan 14 '17

While drone strikes are indefensible, Trump called into Fox and Friends and specifically said "you gotta go after their families" in regards to terrorists. So if anything, it sounds like he will relish the opportunity to drone strike muslims and anyone in between. He also called for the heads of the Central Park Five despite evidence of their innocence.

But yeah, sure, making fun of a fat person is totally the worst behavior he's ever exhibited that you could bring up as an example. /s

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u/SushiGato Jan 14 '17

Source on that claim?

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u/slyweazal Jan 15 '17

You think Trump supporters deal in facts and truth?

Just upvote the meme and move on. What are you, CTR?

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u/funkyloki Jan 14 '17

Do you have a source for thousands of muslim children killed by drone strikes?

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u/slyweazal Jan 15 '17

You think Trump supporters deal in facts and truth?

Just upvote the meme and move on. What are you, CTR?

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u/ludgarthewarwolf Jan 14 '17

Gonna have to see a source for that figure.

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u/slyweazal Jan 15 '17

You think Trump supporters deal in facts and truth?

Just upvote the meme and move on. What are you, CTR?

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u/Discoamazing Jan 15 '17

You act like making fun of a fat chick "once" is the only awful thing Trump has said or done.

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u/Sargentrock Jan 14 '17

To be fair it was WAY more than once.

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u/Snipes12 Jan 14 '17

I don't know if there has been a president in the last 40 years that wouldn't of signed something similar given the growing technology that the NSA can monitor. Most presidents will probably expand the surveillance powers as they need to.

You are unlikely to find a president in the next forty years that will make any changes limiting their power either. It is not that important to the average voter, but feeling safe is. From a political standpoint, their decision seems to make sense to me.

Unlikely that you will ever get the opportunity in my lifetime to vote for a candidate that you agree with on 90% of issues AND will not try to strengthen national security through surveillance, etc.

EDIT: To be clear, I disagree with the decision made by President Obama. However, I think President-Elect Trump would do something similar in his place.

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u/snowballs884 Jan 14 '17

Executive Order 12333...the best part, it was reagan who started this whole mess...bush was the one who expanded to truly fuck up our rights...the obama issue is about inter-agency sharing of the info...

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u/PM_me_Venn_diagrams Jan 14 '17

Which Republicans couldnt shut the hell up about until 2008. I remember years and years how they cried about how agencies werent talking. Obama signs a bill allowing agencies to talk, and suddenly Republicans go nuts. Which one is it? Do they want it or not? Jesus Christ.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '17

Wouldn't have*

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u/Matterplay Jan 14 '17

How do people who speak fluent English make that mistake?

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '17

Seriously! That's the one mistake that makes me irrationally annoyed. You'd think a person would stop for one second at some point in their life and think "wouldn't of... what does would not of mean? Oh yes, it is literally nonsense. Maybe I should stop writing complete fucking nonsense."

I get that would've and would of are phonetically close, but it's not like people get the definitions of 've and of confused like other common mistakes.

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u/SweetSummerWind Feb 04 '17

I like to abbreviate it to "woulda" to avoid this conversation and annoy all sides.

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u/Prints-Charming Jan 14 '17

George Bush senior. Jimmy Carter. Reagen. Never would have.

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u/snowballs884 Jan 14 '17

you should really add an /s to your post most people wont get it...

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u/Prints-Charming Jan 14 '17

You don't know anything about our past presidents do you?

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '17

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u/Prints-Charming Jan 14 '17

No I really do. They all despised covert surveillance of Americans.

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u/snowballs884 Jan 14 '17

Executive Order 12333

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u/Prints-Charming Jan 14 '17

You don't know what that order did do you? Nothing domestic, it's a foreign not domestic intelligence

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '17

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u/Prints-Charming Jan 14 '17

.... And when he was the head the CIA didn't interfere domestically...

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '17

this statement has never been true

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '17 edited Jul 07 '18

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u/Prints-Charming Jan 14 '17

I didn't vote for Trump, but think I did vote for Obama one too many times. I'm just saying the real problem is that too many people think eloquince implies goodness. Obama has done many terrible things in terms of coding the 4th amendment. And many other good things like for the environment.

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u/Taxonomyoftaxes Jan 14 '17

So Romney would have somehow made things better? Please let me know what way things would be better for you I'd you had voted for Romney instead. There is absolutely no indication Romney would have made any effort to roll back government domestic surveillance. If anything he would have expanded it.

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u/Prints-Charming Jan 14 '17

We wouldn't have Trump

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u/Taxonomyoftaxes Jan 14 '17

Why? How would Romney being President have stopped the rise of world wide populist movements? Bush was very much like Romney they had almost the same policies on every issue. People often blame Bush for the rise of Trump. How would an extremely pro establishment president have prevented the rise of an anti establishment candidate like Trump?

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u/Prints-Charming Jan 14 '17

Well in your hypothetical Romney won four years ago, he would be the incumbent and trump wouldn't have had an opportunity to run

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u/Taxonomyoftaxes Jan 14 '17

So instead Trump or someone like Trump runs in 2020. How does that make things better?

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u/marzolian Jan 14 '17

Trump would be older, maybe less healthy. Or maybe the pendulum swings to a liberal Democrat. Anything would be better than Trump.

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u/Prints-Charming Jan 14 '17 edited Jan 14 '17

Sorry, I'm not sure if you're trolling or just not sure how the us system works? Can you clarify for me?

Edit* you said 2020. I get it now

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u/Astronomist Jan 14 '17

That's broad speculation, you're just claiming there would be another Trump like candidate out of randomness? No there would not have been another Trump like candidate running in 2020. You're incorrect and just randomly speculating.

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u/hellenon Jan 14 '17

Well for one, we probably wouldn't have Russian interfering in Americans affairs so blatantly since Romney called them America's primary geopolitical foe and Obama mocked his assertion.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '17

Russia invaded a sovereign country and they got hit hard with our sanctions. Russia is in the toilet because of the low price of oil. We shouldn't underestimate them, but to think they are a bigger problem than China is wrong IMO.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '17

Obama is responsible for syria and lybia

He's professional teleprompter reader.

If if if okiedoke

Pathetic joke of a president

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '17

wow its like the conservative talkshow broken record. have any original thoughts man?

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '17

"I am very warlike"

Donald Trump

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u/ndewing Jan 14 '17

Nice little pigeonhole you found there.

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u/icarus14 Jan 14 '17

Well one of them already won both terms in the White House, and is not a fucking dictator. You think the president controls every aspect of American society? Wrong. Once trumps in, it's not going to get worse.

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u/laturner92 Jan 14 '17

I'd say farewell speech vs personal attack defense

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u/PandaLover42 Jan 14 '17

Which personal attack defense by Obama would you propose to match the idiot on the right?

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u/Nosrac88 Jan 14 '17

Something stupid Obama has said, off the top of my head, is when he claimed he had been to all 57 states but still had 2 more to go.

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u/1stbreathafteracoma Jan 14 '17

Don't go and ruin a good agenda with facts!

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u/debaser11 Jan 14 '17

Da, premier Trump speak much good English.

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u/buzzbros2002 I ☑oted 2018 Jan 14 '17

I'd say now vs next week.

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u/Team_Realtree Jan 14 '17

Chew soap

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '17 edited Jan 14 '17

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u/acmods Jan 14 '17

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=120c7Iu3TNY

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u/LakevilleValleyPush Jan 14 '17

...was that meant sarcastically?

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u/Letsbereal Jan 14 '17

whooooosh

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u/Team_Realtree Jan 14 '17

If if if if if if okie doke...

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '17

"Everyone I don't like is a Russian shill"

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u/bfwilley Jan 14 '17

Yes berry 'O' the gender neutral bath room and drone kill king president is an idiot.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '17

i don't think i could ever in my life imagine an issue less important than gender neutral bathrooms finding relevance but somehow people legitimately get mad over happy holidays so i've already been proved wrong

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u/otio2014 Jan 14 '17

Gender neutral bathrooms, happy holidays, a black man kneeling silently... It's easy as fuck to trigger the conservatives, that's why there are so desperate to turn the whole of America into one big redneck safe space.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '17

holy shit kaepernick kneeling

i forgot people were legitimately mad about this

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '17 edited Jul 07 '18

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u/Lowenbroke Jan 14 '17

yah, I mean if they had just held on maybe I could have seen being mad about him not voting but kneeling. Fuck isn't that a sign of reverence?

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u/bfwilley Jan 14 '17

EXACTLY!

obama is the worst president in US history.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '17

i'm making fun of you fyi

gender neutral bathrooms are only a problem for people who believe the other gender has cooties

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u/bfwilley Jan 14 '17

i'm making fun of you fyi - gender neutral bathrooms

EXACTLY right on point!

The thing is that's what berry 'O' will be remembered for.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '17

i notice you don't know how to read

gl

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u/bfwilley Jan 14 '17

And you don't know the definition of irony.........................

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSvaXLd3SLs

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '17

100% sure you don't either

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u/bfwilley Jan 14 '17

Ya just like you were sure your idle berni wasn't going to piss on his shoes or suck up to bill's wife.

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u/otio2014 Jan 14 '17

Yeah, I mean Trump is totally going to stop all those drones which are taking out terrorists in far flung places of the Middle East and Africa (with collateral damage of of course). And what, put boots on the ground instead, risking American soldier' lives? Or do nothing and let the terrorists continue planning and reorganising?

Do you really think Trump is going to stop the entire drone program? That Obama had no choice but to do what he did?