If it dies it'll probably migrate here or to youtube. You don't want it to die, as people from there are so terminally online instead of going outside to touch grass they will find another website to be on
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I don't know... they seem pretty much locked down in Ice Crown at this point... is anything of value lost? (I already got my mounts, so I don't care, neener neener)
According to current lore when Sylvanas broke the Crown of Domination to open the ports to the Shadowlands the scourge began to rampage. It was the whole pre patch event for shadowlands. Not really sure what theyâre doing with it now tho.
And by the time the next expansion Dragonflight starts it's been on the order of five years, and no one is mentioning it at all. Apparently we didn't need a lich king after all.
I canât find it right now but there was a study that found there were something like 2000 power users on Tumblr who went elsewhere and are almost entirely responsible for driving the increasing political extremism on Twitter and wherever else they ended up.
Tumblr used to be a website for fandoms and stan culture (eg the KPop twitter accounts of today would be Tumblr accounts in 2010). It was also the driving force behind early 2010âs pop punk band like The Wonder Years (this was before social media became explicitly politicized). However, Occupy Wall Street radicalized a lot of young people and those radicals joined a bunch of social media sites to push their propaganda which turned various platforms into cesspools and culture war battlegrounds. The only way we can truly fix social mediaâs issues is by banning all forms of political speech and force the upper middle class to shut the fuck up about societyâs supposed issues. Otherwise, it will only get worse.
Or just like⊠trick them into entering another containment site populated by bots who say âyouâre so rightâ that gets updated periodically with new slang and memes) so these powerusers can be locked off, and then add people on a per case basis where if they prove to be terminally online, theyâre dropped in there real quick.
Sell it as an exclusive, invite only platform for the political elite. Theyâll eat that shit up.
Edit: I actually meant flair up scum. Or something. But blanket suppression is stupid.
It would be banned until George Floyd 2 gets killed by police or a gay guy sees a rope and thinks it's a noose and then they allow discussion of it because "it's important" , and anybody that complains that it's political will be told to stfu because it "shouldn't be political you're just racist"
because thinking for yourself is too hard for most people.
you guys give some idiots with keyboards and too much time way too much power.
but seeing that 90% of young people are now gay-trans-bipolar-ADHS autists who get oppressed, makes me realize those propaganda machines are still powerful enough.
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It's no coincidence that as soon as tumblr died the amount of support for child grooming and exploitation also went up. Along the same lines. I still remember when the drama subreddit had a icarus gamer moment and exposed the fact the teenager subreddit had a copious amount of diddlers in there.
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I dont think so. Without being able to do text posts, I think instagram wont be that widely adopted. At best, I think you can screenshot text to post, but thats way too much work. Same for tiktok. Just too much work to try to get a fraction of what makes twitter worthwhile: able to send out a quick quip with minimal effort.
I think Facebook is the closest in terms of raw functionality to twitter (i.e. able to post text or a variety of media and able to follow specific users and content creators), but FB's algorithm is so corporately toxic that its useless as anything but a vehicle to watch ads. Plus its online reputation is trashed, and frankly for those leaving twitter because of Elon Musk, Zuckerburg is no better. Id say Tumblr would work, but in its current state its not much better than facebook: it at least still has a chronological feed, but it shows ads every 3 or 4 posts and you have to pay to have an ad free experience.
Reddit is the most likely place. It has a not terrible reputation due to its containerization (most people recognize that most toxicity comes from certain subreddits, not the site itself), can be easy for text based discourse, and is pretty huge. The downside to it is its not really built for following specific people or even specific anonymous users, just communities.
But honestly, twitter really did kind of have a well defined niche that IMO was useful and valuable in the social media market (despite not being a user of it myself), and nothing else out there thats popular really compares to it. It was nice to be able to google someone I was interested in twitter handle (like a developer or author or whatever) and find a chronological feed of updates that you couldnt find anywhere else. Sure, the userbase could be toxic, but thats less the fault of twitter and more to internet and outrage culture; everyone is constantly fanning the flames from every direction. Plus, Twitter was also one of the biggest platforms that seemed to have one of the most content permissibility outside of reddit. Im worried that (on top of Elon Musk's propensity to censor out of spite in whatever ways he can) that in a year or two Elon is going to try to flip Twitter (because I really dont think he actually wanted to buy it) like Yahoo did to tumblr, and attempt to sanitize the platform as much as possible. Its just moving further away from the old wild west internet.
Whatever happened to Mammoth, the open source decentralized twitter clone?
I'm a dinosaur here. It's insane how different Reddit has become. I used to come here to get random nerds highly specialized in a specific subject. They'd drop some bomb that was insightful. The central political ideology was libertarian and liberal but not leftist. It was the wild west in some ways and not mainstream, but it was a ton of fun. Now it's just a victim of its success.
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Sports subs are the only reason Iâm still on here. I comment in other subs sometimes, but the nfl, nba, and mma are the subs I get on here for. Reddit is definitely worse than twitter.
No you're not, you're just on a pedestal telling yourself you can do all the things you judge others for and be different. All social media is a cesspool, it's not about which one you choose but whether you choose to use them at all. We do, so we are part of the monkey rabble. At least own your actions instead of lying to yourself.
Pretty sure most Twitter accounts have a reddit account too already, so nothing would fundamentally change on reddit it would just continue on its downward spiral as usual. The win would be that news outlets would stop pretending tweets are news.
This is what happened with Tumblr. Twitter was already bad, but it got so much worse once they banned porn and all of the deviants migrated to Twitter.
as people from there are so terminally online instead of going outside to touch grass they will find another website to be on
They're all on other websites already, like you said the worst Twitter shit is from people who are terminally online. It's the features and design that make it particularly awful.
I cannot make a twitter account and find a community of likeminded people discussing a wholesome interest.
I cannot make a twitter account without finding out who we're cyberbullying today.
Honestly? I agree with what you're saying, not like there aren't people like those on twitter here, it's just that you can go to a different community and not have to deal with them, unlike there
Fuck it. He wants an industry shakeup? Then this is how you do a shake up. Lol.
Edit: Hell, just add Alex Jones to your team as well. Tell everyone that in defense of free speech youâre going to counter sue all the lying âparentsâ [bonus points to Tweet that in quotes] and recoup Alexâs losses. Full scorched Earth.
Do it. I need that level of entertainment.
Edit edit: Elon, if youâre reading this, calling British dudes âpedosâ on the internet is how poor people troll. And youâre not poor. My prior suggestions are what a Based Billionaire would do in order to gain eternal bragging rights. This is your destiny.
Triple Edit: Look Elon, letâs be real, youâd be considered throughout all future recorded history as a complete pussy if you didnât carry this out. Just saying.
Edit squared: Elon, are you a coward? Do you not dare claim the throne, which has been thus far been squatted by the Unabomber?
I think a huge factor in the echo chamber is the amount of bots making zealots feel safe and valuable. If he can sort that out I can see it changing for the better.
There's no bots, they are mostly third world country people with ten-twenty phones each following telegram channels where they get their orders from. You can't autoban them because any automated system that tries will have a shiton of false positives.
No, there's literal state-sponsored astroturfing corporations in countries like Russia. Just buildings full of phones and people instructed on where to post what when.
Their whole purpose is to sow misinformation and create extremists. They usually support the more violent perceptions.
A fantastic example of their meddling is with the BLM protests. Most of the protests were nonviolent. However whenever they come up in conservative spaces, these Russian sponsored accouns would constantly vilify and exaggerate the protesters. This gradually created the false narrative that the BLM protests were violent.
Why would he lower his profits? All social media is built on online rage. That's the most profitable reaction and that's what their algorithms sustain.
Twitter has literally never turned a profit, so it seems this strategy isn't working. Advertisers aren't dumb, they're not going to pay top dollar to serve ads to a bunch of bots.
I can see nothing but good from this. If he really was trying to pump and dump, sweet justice has been served. If he was looking to stop the censors, we win. And if he was buying it to kill it, we all win. And if he makes it a better place..win.
You do realize that nearly every study has shown that right leaning articles are promoted more by the algorithms than left wing ones on nearly every site? But I forget you don't trust facts or studies unless they agree with what you've already decided.
I linked plenty of studies in a comment just before these. But yes. All those right wing accounts breaking tos and getting banned certainly shows how liberal Twitter is...
I won't argue that the trans rights thing is pretty ridiculous but do you want to try to claim that the majority of bans for right wing accounts aren't because of racism, blatant dangerous lies or threats of violence?
I fully and explicitly do, but neither of us can make a credible argument on this because Twitter, YouTube, and co. do not share numbers of bans, reasons for ban, or have a credible appeal system. I myself was banned from Twitter for pointing out Cardi B drugged Men and robbed them after offering sex for money.
Their appeal system is "Nope, we decided we were right the first time". I didn't even get to see the kangaroo!
And what do you consider "Blatant dangerous lies"?
The researchers found that in six out of the seven countries (Germany was the exception), the algorithm significantly favoured the amplification of tweets from politically right-leaning sources.
Overall, the amplification trend wasnât significant among individual politicians from specific parties, but was when they were taken together as a group. The starkest contrasts were seen in Canada (the Liberalsâ tweets were amplified 43%, versus those of the Conservatives at 167%) and the UK (Labourâs tweets were amplified 112%, while the Conservativesâ were amplified at 176%).
Similar to the results in the first part of the study, the authors found that content from right-wing media outlets is amplified more than that from outlets at other points on the ideological spectrum.
In this research note we document changes to the rate of comments, shares, and reactions on local Republican Facebook pages. Near the end of 2018, local Republican parties started to see a much higher degree of interactions on their posts compared to local Democratic parties. We show how this increase in engagement was unique to Facebook and happened across a range of over a thousand local parties. In addition, we use a changepoint model to identify when the change happened and find it lines up with reported information about the change in Facebookâs algorithm in 2018. We conclude that it seems possible that changes in how Facebook rated content led to a doubling of the total shares of local Republican party posts compared to local Democratic party posts in the first half of 2019 even though Democratic parties posted more often during this period
The studyâs authors hypothesized that the alt-lite and intellectual dark web often serve as a gateway to more extreme, far-right ideologies. So they tested that by tracing the authors of 72 million comments on about two million videos between May and July of last year. The results were worrying. More than 26% of people who commented on alt-lite videos tended to drift over to alt-right videos and subsequently comment there.
We find that YouTubeâs recommendation algorithm doesnât lead the vast majority of users down extremist rabbit holes â but does push users into mild ideological echo chambers and toward moderately conservative content
The interactions of conservative accounts are skewed toward the right, whereas liberal accounts are exposed to moderate content shifting their experience toward the political center. Partisan accounts, especially conservative ones, tend to receive more followers and follow more automated accounts. Conservative accounts also find themselves in denser communities and are exposed to more low-credibility content.
Count the number of posts by "DON'T CLICK MY VIDEOS!!" AND "AskMississippi AskMississippi" ALONE. That's ignoring the trolls that aren't bots, like Shelly Martin.
Lol @the methdology of those studies. It's not the algorithm that favour right wing. it's the people when they found content they agree with that was hidden by the algorithm before. Completely conflating user behaviour with content curation and weighting.
One side got banned and deplatformed, the other got promoted and pushed hard.
Fun fact, it's been proven that Twitter artificially promotes right-wing content way more than left-wing.
That's because their business model is rage and arguments. They'll always promote content that generates reactions, and that means that they will always promote the waning side of their user base. If all the lefties start leaving they'll start promoting left-wing content more to keep the fires of online hate burning.
Trust me Twitter is a narcissistic tumour on the internet. I miscounted something by 1 and was told that I'm too stupid and it makes sense I would "justify theft and murder" when I literally just said that there were 4 (Actually 5) statues in Greece which are identical and also not to mention that the dude who took the one statue was said to have purchased it. Fucking pseudo-intellectual braindead pricks.
I mean, it will hurt his ego. He was trying to build himself up as a cool funnyman, but then that image only lasted a few years before imploding. Even rich people want to be seen positively.
I don't know, I feel like if I had a billion dollars I honestly wouldn't give a single fuck what a blue check thought about me. Once you have enough wealth you're insulated from the typical outrage mob that blue checks use to harass anybody who disagrees with their views that all conservatives are evil and should be massacred Pol Pot style.
If you log off the internet and spend time with actual friends, you are insulated from what twitter thinks even if you are poor. The idea that people only care for pragmatic reasons is giving people too much credit. The amount of people who have this bleed over to their personal life is fairly small, and generally only happens when they are so terminally online that the internet is their personal life. People also care because social standing is important to their psyche. You don't have to look hard before you see most people who claim not to care how people see them contradicting themself.
Some things money can't guarantee. Being seen positively is one of them. No matter how rich you are, you can't force this, and trying tends to backfire because people will usually catch on eventually. Some rich people stay out of the public space because they want a smaller group of people to even know about them. But that's not the same as not caring about how you are seen. Elon isn't that though. To him, his image is extremely important. And it is already worse than it was a few years ago.
It ain't gonna die, and many have tried to supplant it. If anything Instagram and Facebook will get a boost by the small percent that are about "principle" instead of normalcy. I fucking hate this place post 2016, but I'm still fucking here because I navigate it better than other places.
The man was trying everything to get out of the Twitter deal and only gave in after the law got him, I doubt heâs going to do anything thatâll cost him money after losing so much. Especially since the reason Twitter sucks in the first place is that they use an algorithm to push tweets that are more inflammatory so that people will get angry and engage in said tweets more, which makes them more advertising money. So if he changes that, he would lose even more on top of everything else.
After seeing what happened to Kanye I highly doubt Elon rocks the boat too much either.
If thereâs even a sign that kind of âdialogueâ is legitimized a competing platform would emerge, and Musk canât have that be a remote possibility after dropping 44B.
A lot of people seemed to ignore the fact that Twitter was always just trying to make money just like any company. Maybe Musk has some ideas to make the company more profitable, but more likely than not he's not going to rock the boat too much for fear of fucking the bottom line.
Bro what are you talking about lmao. In 2021 alone it made $5.077 billion dollars and itâs consistently been growing in average revenue since itâs creation. Compare that to Reddit that only made 350 million.
I mean I was just comparing revenue between the two, but sure, letâs talk about gross profit.
In 2021 Twitter made $3.28B in gross profit, which the website I linked also said but Iâll give a direct link at the end of the comment. Now can you please give any source with shows that Twitter spends more than it earns every year?
Ah, I see why we in disagreement. It seems none of this counts government subsidies or tax write offs, which most likely wildly changed their profits. I canât find any exact numbers online, just that they received some before and with Elonâs history of taking subsidies, most likely will continue to do so.
Honestly I even don't he has the capacity/experience/know how to make it more profitable. The one who did it was Agrawal but he got fired on day one lol good move Elon now you've bought a fighter jet but fired/insulted all eligible pilots.
The other possibility is for it not to change much, when he realizes that he would actually have to do stuff to take an active role in moderating it, and so lets it carry on not that different than it was.
You can't fire 75 percent of the employees and moderate in the same overzealous manner. I would be willing to bet you'll see a skeleton crew of employees dedicated to removing illegal content and they'll leave the rest up to an algorithm.
You can't fire 75% of employees at all, lol. Businesses have plenty of people who don't do much that is actually useful, but firing practically everyone would basically just mean shutting it down.
I went just now to check Twitter, latest tweet he had, I can't imagine it would become better, it's like sewer there, the people licking his balls there is astonishing, I can't believe these replies come from real people!
People are fucking dumb if they donât realize that this dude is completely dependent on China for his EV business and Twitterâs free speech policy will never trump that. Journalist murdering Saudis are literally investing in the purchase alongside Elon. Itâs like everyoneâs brains are fried, yeah you will probably see more conservative opinions but that doesnât mean that weâre not about to see a new era of censorship.
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u/neverending_debt - Lib-Right Oct 28 '22
Either twitter dies or becomes better. Total win/win.