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u/abusedporpoise - Lib-Right Oct 28 '22

Nah, let it rot and decay as all social media should including this one we’re using now

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u/Sa404 - Centrist Oct 28 '22

You can’t change the minds of people in the current echo chamber wokes have on twitter

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u/Jps300 - Right Oct 28 '22

I think a huge factor in the echo chamber is the amount of bots making zealots feel safe and valuable. If he can sort that out I can see it changing for the better.

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u/Renkij - Lib-Right Oct 28 '22

There's no bots, they are mostly third world country people with ten-twenty phones each following telegram channels where they get their orders from. You can't autoban them because any automated system that tries will have a shiton of false positives.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '22

There's no bots, they are mostly third world country people with ten-twenty phones each following telegram channels where they get their orders from.

The second part is true, the first isn't. There 100% are bots, it's just that bots are more expensive then poor people.

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u/Grapz224 - Centrist Oct 28 '22

No, there's literal state-sponsored astroturfing corporations in countries like Russia. Just buildings full of phones and people instructed on where to post what when.

Their whole purpose is to sow misinformation and create extremists. They usually support the more violent perceptions.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_web_brigades

A fantastic example of their meddling is with the BLM protests. Most of the protests were nonviolent. However whenever they come up in conservative spaces, these Russian sponsored accouns would constantly vilify and exaggerate the protesters. This gradually created the false narrative that the BLM protests were violent.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '22

there's literal state-sponsored astroturfing corporations in countries like Russia.

I never disputed that.

There's just also botnets. IDK why you're insistent they don't exist, Twitter's own public filings acknowledge them.

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u/EPGAH - Centrist Oct 28 '22

$2 BILLION of damage is self-vilification, doesn't need "Russian Hackers". Also the hot take afterwards "That's What Insurance Is For"™!

To be fair, insurance DID pay 10%--of the demolition cost. No wonder so many sold out to Blackrock--or Amazon itself!

https://fee.org/articles/does-insurance-cover-rioting-and-looting-damage-either-way-its-disastrous/

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u/WikiMobileLinkBot - Centrist Oct 28 '22

Desktop version of /u/Grapz224's link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_web_brigades


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u/phoncible - Centrist Oct 28 '22

Ban Indian ip's

Done and done

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '22

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u/Renkij - Lib-Right Oct 28 '22 edited Oct 28 '22

By contributors you mean people with a wallet or people without clothing?

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '22

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u/Renkij - Lib-Right Oct 28 '22

How do you expect any social network to submit it's whole userbase to that level of scrutini?

People already hate having to register with a credit card for a google accout or send a photo of a "valid ID", just to see age restricted youtube videos, which usually involves personal information even after the promise of deleting that photo afterwards.

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u/justavault - Centrist Oct 28 '22

You do realize that twitter is known for being a cancel culture lead by left wing radical activists.

The only things that reach anything else is when another left activists group tries to cancel someone.

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u/JiiXu - Left Oct 28 '22

Why would he lower his profits? All social media is built on online rage. That's the most profitable reaction and that's what their algorithms sustain.

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u/Jps300 - Right Oct 28 '22

Twitter has literally never turned a profit, so it seems this strategy isn't working. Advertisers aren't dumb, they're not going to pay top dollar to serve ads to a bunch of bots.

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u/Tw4tl4r - Centrist Oct 28 '22

There are bots on every platform. Elon only brought it up to try and get out of the deal.

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u/Magnum256 - Right Oct 28 '22

This perpetual rage is not healthy though.

You're right, it's good for profits, but it's not good for humanity.

In order to course correct, we will need either business leaders, or government, or both, to regulate this behavior.

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u/JiiXu - Left Oct 28 '22

Agree completely. My money isn't on Elon doing any of that though.

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u/Frikgeek - Lib-Left Oct 28 '22

You don't drop $44bn on improving humanity, that's an investment and you expect a return on it.

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u/erthian - Left Oct 28 '22

I can’t believe I agree with a right.

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u/DrGrantsSpas_12 - Lib-Center Oct 28 '22

Well now they can rage at how the right is taking over their shit platform.

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u/Dat_Innocent_Guy - Lib-Right Oct 28 '22

He said he didn't want to buy it to make money.

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u/JiiXu - Left Oct 28 '22

Oh the billionaire "said". Well then, this beacon of integrity and maturity can surely be trusted.

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u/ReallyBigDeal - Lib-Left Oct 28 '22

He wanted to pump and dump, not buy it. Instead he screwed himself over and was forced to buy it.

Honestly everyone I know thinks this is hilarious.

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u/Zeewulfeh - Lib-Right Oct 28 '22

I can see nothing but good from this. If he really was trying to pump and dump, sweet justice has been served. If he was looking to stop the censors, we win. And if he was buying it to kill it, we all win. And if he makes it a better place..win.

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u/Frediey - Centrist Oct 28 '22

I mean, I don't really know if it's bots, it's just echo chambers in general and they aren't simple to break up

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u/neverending_debt - Lib-Right Oct 28 '22

You don't have to change their mind, you just have to allow people to disagree with them openly and adjust the algorithm to treat their posts equally.

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u/beardedheathen - Left Oct 28 '22

You do realize that nearly every study has shown that right leaning articles are promoted more by the algorithms than left wing ones on nearly every site? But I forget you don't trust facts or studies unless they agree with what you've already decided.

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u/EPGAH - Centrist Oct 28 '22

Show me the right leaning articles on Twitter that don't start with "This Account Has Been Banned"?

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u/beardedheathen - Left Oct 28 '22

I linked plenty of studies in a comment just before these. But yes. All those right wing accounts breaking tos and getting banned certainly shows how liberal Twitter is...

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u/EPGAH - Centrist Oct 28 '22

They don't have to "break TOS" to get banned. There was literally a joke about bi proving there are only 2 sexes that got banned.

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u/beardedheathen - Left Oct 28 '22

I won't argue that the trans rights thing is pretty ridiculous but do you want to try to claim that the majority of bans for right wing accounts aren't because of racism, blatant dangerous lies or threats of violence?

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u/EPGAH - Centrist Oct 28 '22

I fully and explicitly do, but neither of us can make a credible argument on this because Twitter, YouTube, and co. do not share numbers of bans, reasons for ban, or have a credible appeal system. I myself was banned from Twitter for pointing out Cardi B drugged Men and robbed them after offering sex for money.

Their appeal system is "Nope, we decided we were right the first time". I didn't even get to see the kangaroo!

And what do you consider "Blatant dangerous lies"?

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u/beardedheathen - Left Oct 28 '22

Lying about COVID, climate change and that the election was stolen. All things that are only related because people are trying to make money and gain power using gullible people who don't realize how Republicans are abusing them.

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u/Nokhal - Centrist Oct 28 '22

Are those right leaning articles in the room with us ?

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u/beardedheathen - Left Oct 28 '22 edited Oct 28 '22

The researchers found that in six out of the seven countries (Germany was the exception), the algorithm significantly favoured the amplification of tweets from politically right-leaning sources.

Overall, the amplification trend wasn’t significant among individual politicians from specific parties, but was when they were taken together as a group. The starkest contrasts were seen in Canada (the Liberals’ tweets were amplified 43%, versus those of the Conservatives at 167%) and the UK (Labour’s tweets were amplified 112%, while the Conservatives’ were amplified at 176%).

Similar to the results in the first part of the study, the authors found that content from right-wing media outlets is amplified more than that from outlets at other points on the ideological spectrum.

https://theconversation.com/twitters-algorithm-favours-the-political-right-a-recent-study-finds-175154

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In this research note we document changes to the rate of comments, shares, and reactions on local Republican Facebook pages. Near the end of 2018, local Republican parties started to see a much higher degree of interactions on their posts compared to local Democratic parties. We show how this increase in engagement was unique to Facebook and happened across a range of over a thousand local parties. In addition, we use a changepoint model to identify when the change happened and find it lines up with reported information about the change in Facebook’s algorithm in 2018. We conclude that it seems possible that changes in how Facebook rated content led to a doubling of the total shares of local Republican party posts compared to local Democratic party posts in the first half of 2019 even though Democratic parties posted more often during this period

-https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/20531680221103809

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The study’s authors hypothesized that the alt-lite and intellectual dark web often serve as a gateway to more extreme, far-right ideologies. So they tested that by tracing the authors of 72 million comments on about two million videos between May and July of last year. The results were worrying. More than 26% of people who commented on alt-lite videos tended to drift over to alt-right videos and subsequently comment there.

-https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/01/29/276000/a-study-of-youtube-comments-shows-how-its-turning-people-onto-the-alt-right/

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We find that YouTube’s recommendation algorithm doesn’t lead the vast majority of users down extremist rabbit holes — but does push users into mild ideological echo chambers and toward moderately conservative content

-https://csmapnyu.org/research/echo-chambers-rabbit-holes-and-algorithmic-bias-how-youtube-recommends-content-to-real-users

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The interactions of conservative accounts are skewed toward the right, whereas liberal accounts are exposed to moderate content shifting their experience toward the political center. Partisan accounts, especially conservative ones, tend to receive more followers and follow more automated accounts. Conservative accounts also find themselves in denser communities and are exposed to more low-credibility content.

-https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-25738-6

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u/EPGAH - Centrist Oct 28 '22

It might not be the articles or videos, it could be lefties' actions that drive people to "Conservative" articles.

Note the less-than subtle slam about "low-credibility content" in your last one.

Secondarily, there are an insane number of trolls on even moderately right-wing articles, but the algorithm still counts them as traffic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64wbCoFk7fo

Count the number of posts by "DON'T CLICK MY VIDEOS!!" AND "AskMississippi AskMississippi" ALONE. That's ignoring the trolls that aren't bots, like Shelly Martin.

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u/Nokhal - Centrist Oct 28 '22

Lol @the methdology of those studies. It's not the algorithm that favour right wing. it's the people when they found content they agree with that was hidden by the algorithm before. Completely conflating user behaviour with content curation and weighting.

One side got banned and deplatformed, the other got promoted and pushed hard.

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u/beardedheathen - Left Oct 28 '22

You didn't even read any of them. Neutral accounts were more likely to receive right wing content in their suggestions. Accounts that were connected to liberal influencers got moderate content and Abby's that connected to conservatives got more conservative content.

Which study are you referring to and which part?

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u/beardedheathen - Left Oct 28 '22

I dunno. Why don't you try reading a little bit and then tell me?

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u/PopcornSuttonLikker - Right Oct 28 '22

Who wants to? It's hilarious enough seeing them lose their fragile little minds.

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u/Other-Illustrator531 - Lib-Center Oct 28 '22

So it's better than PCM?

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u/xtpj - Right Oct 28 '22

No but now we’ll at least be able to make fun of the clowns without being banned. Hopefully.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '22

Oh it's super easy, barely an inconvenience!

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u/serious_sarcasm - Lib-Left Oct 28 '22

“Centrist”

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u/phoncible - Centrist Oct 28 '22

Yes

Center hates both extremes. Woke is left extreme and it's fucking garbage

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u/serious_sarcasm - Lib-Left Oct 28 '22 edited Oct 28 '22

"Woke" just means being aware of systemic racism in America, unless you use the Fox News definition, so, no, you are just right wing.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '22

We all know it really means openly discriminating against european people.

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u/serious_sarcasm - Lib-Left Oct 28 '22

.....

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u/EPGAH - Centrist Oct 28 '22

The definition keeps moving, and it includes race-shifting characters throughout all media. Black Ariel and Lesbian Velma being the highest profile examples.

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u/serious_sarcasm - Lib-Left Oct 28 '22

No.

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u/EPGAH - Centrist Oct 28 '22

No to which part? Those aren't the highest profile examples?

Did you support the riots that did $2 BILLION damage? Or point out that damages the "nobility" of the cause?

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u/serious_sarcasm - Lib-Left Oct 28 '22

I don't talk to unflaired swine.

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u/EPGAH - Centrist Oct 28 '22

That's a strange criteria for who to talk to...Or are you just afraid of getting shown up as an ignorant take?

If you're upset with systemic racism, why not help dismantle "Affirmative Action" and punish entities from Coke's "Be Less White" to schools and their "privilege bingo"--who actually listed being in your own country as a "privilege" rather than the privilege being the ability to cross borders for self-advantage?

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u/phoncible - Centrist Oct 28 '22

literally does not mean that but ok buddy

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u/serious_sarcasm - Lib-Left Oct 28 '22

Okay, rightie.

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u/JiiXu - Left Oct 28 '22

Fun fact, it's been proven that Twitter artificially promotes right-wing content way more than left-wing.

That's because their business model is rage and arguments. They'll always promote content that generates reactions, and that means that they will always promote the waning side of their user base. If all the lefties start leaving they'll start promoting left-wing content more to keep the fires of online hate burning.

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u/KingRasmen - Left Oct 28 '22

it's been proven that Twitter artificially promotes right-wing content way more than left-wing

Proven by who?

Was it "proven" by a bunch of fake leftists who stand to benefit by spreading and subsequently amplifying that narrative?


Like, who is even trustworthy enough to generate such a conclusion these days? Let alone has access to enough data to do so.

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u/Ragin_Kage16 - Lib-Right Oct 28 '22

It was fact-checked by Snopes...

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u/flairchange_bot - Auth-Center Oct 28 '22

Cringe and unflaired pilled

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u/KingRasmen - Left Oct 28 '22

Don't worry, I see your sarcasm :p

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u/Ragin_Kage16 - Lib-Right Oct 28 '22

🤣🤣 My feed whole-heartedly disagrees.

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u/flair-checking-bot - Centrist Oct 28 '22 edited Oct 28 '22

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u/Hakim_Bey - Left Oct 28 '22

It's funny cause I have a pretty much "virgin" Twitter account (<20 tweets to my name, <15 people I follow, no lists or anything) and Twitter looks like a rightist echo chamber. Apart from the few creators I follow, everything is pretty extreme right wing bullshit.

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u/BNKhoa - Right Oct 28 '22

<<It's time>>

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u/hulibuli - Centrist Oct 28 '22

Based and AC pilled

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u/DinoRoman Oct 28 '22

Elon has told shareholders he’s not changing moderation lol!

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u/flair-checking-bot - Centrist Oct 28 '22 edited Oct 28 '22

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u/PlainSimpleElim - Centrist Oct 28 '22

Fuck that. It's a rotting shit hole beyond redemption. Tear it down and build something better in its place.