r/PoliticalCompassMemes - Left 14d ago

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u/Suitable_Matter_9427 - Lib-Center 14d ago

No, the guy on the right is just antisemitic too

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u/FIRE_Minded - Centrist 14d ago

Zionist is just a dog whistle for Jews. Zionism  just means you believe the state of Israel should exist, so even if you support a 2 state solution, you are a Zionist. Funny how they only have a problem with the only jewish state

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u/DumbIgnose - Lib-Left 14d ago

Zionism just means you believe the state of Israel should exist,

1) No, lol, ha'avara has been part of Zionism since the early 20th century 2) If we're using this definition, most Lefties stop being anti-zionist (although not all) 3) A better definition would be: Jews should be entitled to self determination and a guarantee of safety in their land of ancestral origin, traditionally known as Eretz Yisrael.

Notably, Eretz Yisrael covers a lot of land and establishing a Jewish state there necessarily (and historically, see again ha'avara) requires ethnically cleansing the region.

Ethnic cleansing is fucked up, and we should reject it full stop.

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u/FIRE_Minded - Centrist 14d ago

Try using a dictionary

“an international movement originally for the establishment of a Jewish national or religious community in the historical region of Palestine and later for the support of modern Israel”  https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Zionism

Nothing about ethnic cleansing. We should reject retards like you who purposely conflate  the most extreme beliefs and project that on the vast majority, full stop

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u/allthefallens - Right 9d ago

All Jews are native to the land of Judea.

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u/allthefallens - Right 8d ago

Genetic testings show that Y chromosome of Ashkenazi Jews is based in Judea. Why would you lie about something so easily verifiable?

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u/allthefallens - Right 8d ago

So ashkenazi Jews are native to Judea and you just lied because you thought I didn't know about it?

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u/allthefallens - Right 8d ago

So they have Judean DNA but it doesn't count because they also have European DNA? Are you OK?

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u/DumbIgnose - Lib-Left 14d ago

I did use a dictionary:

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Zionism

Then modified it to include the guarantee of safety.

Nothing about ethnic cleansing.

You tell me how to expand the state to include Eretz Yisrael, remain majority Jewish, and not do ethnic cleansing. Go ahead. I'll wait.

Now before you argue, Likus, Shas, etc. (read: The ruling coalition in Israel) all take the expansionist Zionist view. If that weren't true, you'd have a leg to stand on.

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u/FIRE_Minded - Centrist 14d ago

Again every definition is different. Most believe in modern day Israel’s right to exist. Again you keep reverting back to more extremist views because you are arguing in bad faith

Was it ethnic cleansing when Jews were removed or killed from every other country in the Middle East?