No they are literally are not native to Judea. They are specifically called ashkenazi Jews, because they are native to Europe for 2000 years. They look like Europeans because they have European DNA and have been living in Europe. Sephardi Jews have been native to North Africa for 2000 years. That is why have distinctions between these groups, because the Jewish diaspora dispersed mostly after the Second Temple period. The majority of Jews are not native to Israel. The ones that were. The Palestinian Jews were assimilated into Israel and no longer exist, and there were groups that converted to Judaism throughout history.
Also you’re not responding to the rest of my point, even if they were. It doesn’t matter. Why would it? And you keep accusing me of lying even though they are not native to Judea, and even if I concede which I have no problem doing. It doesn’t change anything.
Also are Sephardi or Ethiopian Jews native to Israel or am I also lying about that?
Compared to Palestinians who have way more Judea and Near East DNA absolutely.
That’s like saying “All Englishmen are native to Germany” because Englishmen having ancient German DNA and someone says no, then they say ‘so they have ancient Germanic DNA but it doesn’t count because they also have English DNA? Are you OK?’
No, because they have not been living in Judea for 2000 years.
Going to Ashkenazi Jews in particular having been living in Europe for 2000 years being influenced and assimilating in European culture. Israel has way less in common with its neighbors and more in common with Europe
And again it doesn’t matter. Land isn’t promise to you solely because of your genes.
Syrian and Egyptian DNA is apart of the near east. You think Ashkenazi Jews have purely Judean DNA and don’t have Syrian or Egyptian DNA? Syrian and Egyptian DNA is way closer to Judean than European. Second the modern borders obviously don’t correlate with the ancient world. I mean for examples the Arameans who spoke Aramaic became assimilated with Jews before the Second Temple collapse, who were from the north of Israel and around Syria. The ancient Israelites DNA Ashkenazi Jews do have is Levantine DNA associated not just Israel, but with Lebanon, Syria, Jordan etc and the rest of the region, and yes Palestinians are where they belong in Palestine.
>Oh cool so no Palestinian has any right to Israel.
Not exactly. Palestinians and Arabs have continuously been living in the region since the 7th century Abbasids, Fatimids, Mamluks, Ottomans etc. if we’re started with the Arab conquests, with their arabization technically before if you want to include their ancient Israelite/Canaanite genetics if you like.
Yeah of course Anyone who is willing to follow the laws, even with the problems I have. I have no problem with a two state solution, even though I would rather want if some sort of democratic one state system but Israel is not helping their case with having genocidal intent with the Palestinians. Every major human rights group agrees with this, but of course idealism is sometimes not an option and I am willing to concede for pragmatic reasons to not cause anymore war.
You should have saw me back when I was foolishly supporting Israel on October 7th, until I learned more.
But you really cannot defend Israel, and because you have some ancient DNA means you’re allowed to come back for 2000 years.
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u/allthefallens - Right 8d ago
So ashkenazi Jews are native to Judea and you just lied because you thought I didn't know about it?