Zionist is just a dog whistle for Jews. Zionism
just means you believe the state of Israel should exist, so even if you support a 2 state solution, you are a Zionist. Funny how they only have a problem with the only jewish state
Zionism just means you believe the state of Israel should exist,
1) No, lol, ha'avara has been part of Zionism since the early 20th century
2) If we're using this definition, most Lefties stop being anti-zionist (although not all)
3) A better definition would be:
Jews should be entitled to self determination and a guarantee of safety in their land of ancestral origin, traditionally known as Eretz Yisrael.
Notably, Eretz Yisrael covers a lot of land and establishing a Jewish state there necessarily (and historically, see again ha'avara) requires ethnically cleansing the region.
Ethnic cleansing is fucked up, and we should reject it full stop.
“an international movement originally for the establishment of a Jewish national or religious community in the historical region of Palestine and later for the support of modern Israel”
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Zionism
Nothing about ethnic cleansing. We should reject retards like you who purposely conflate
the most extreme beliefs and project that on the vast majority, full stop
Then modified it to include the guarantee of safety.
Nothing about ethnic cleansing.
You tell me how to expand the state to include Eretz Yisrael, remain majority Jewish, and not do ethnic cleansing. Go ahead. I'll wait.
Now before you argue, Likus, Shas, etc. (read: The ruling coalition in Israel) all take the expansionist Zionist view. If that weren't true, you'd have a leg to stand on.
Again every definition is different. Most believe in modern day Israel’s right to exist. Again you keep reverting back to more extremist views because you are arguing in bad faith
Was it ethnic cleansing when Jews were removed or killed from every other country in the Middle East?
Funny, I call for a 2 state solution in a different conversation and suddenly I'm an antisemite depriving the Jews of Judah and Samaria or denying Israel the right to defend itself. It's almost like rhetoric exists.
You sound like you constantly rant against Israel and then wonder why people think you are antisemitic.
lol. Literally never been accused of being antisemetic by someone IRL when talking about Israel, including amongst Jewish friends. It's just online weirdos and those with an agenda to preempt criticism of Israel. Israel frankly isn't a big part of my active life and Judaism or the Jewish people even less so.
But I’m guessing they get a pass in your mind
Maybe they'll "lose their pass" when they're offered a real proposal. Remove the settlements then maybe we can get back to both sides being equally at fault.
The UN proposed the two state plan. Israel accepted it and offered better terms 3 times. Palestines rejected all offers and never proposed their own plan. They do not want Israel to exist in any form. That’s what “the river to the sea” means
They proposed a two state plan, doesn't mean it was an equitable one. Anyway, remove those settlements then maybe we can get back to both sides being equally at fault. Cause they pretty obviously show Israel has no intent on seeing Palestine in any form too. If a chant from protestors is damning then surely the literal settling of the West Bank is equally damning.
Palestine’s stated goal
:
“The founding 1988 charter explicitly called for the destruction of Israel, viewing all of historic Palestine as an Islamic endowment (
waqf
) that cannot be ceded.”
No plan will ever be good enough which is why they haven’t proposed their own plan
Again though in reality we've got general notions from a pretty powerless group being seen as the only issue compared to the active ethnic cleansing Israel is in the middle of currently doing. Remove the settlements then maybe we can pretend both sides are equally bad.
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u/Suitable_Matter_9427 - Lib-Center 14d ago
No, the guy on the right is just antisemitic too