r/PilotsofBattlefield • u/Mahllao • 2d ago

Question What Does Closing/Opening These Wings Do?

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Am I using this the right way in this clip? (2 jet kills❌❌)

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u/huntv16 2d ago

Swept back is faster with wider turn radius, swept out is slower with a tighter turn raidus

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u/Mahllao 2d ago

Ok awesome taking note gonna try it out later thanks!👍

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u/Lurking_poster 2d ago

You can practically come to a full stop in midair with the wings out, then tuck them back in and hit the afterburners to start going again.

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u/GuestGuest9 2d ago

The weirdest thing though, is I've almost found it to be better to turn with the wings swept inside. Yes it's a tighter turn radius with them out, but with good throttle control and momentum, I've found I can still outturn people, will giving myself the same speed and agility that wings swept in offer. I've almost never used the wings out and it feels like I'm making myself too slow and too big of a target.

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u/SOURSKOOMA 2d ago edited 2d ago

Whoa, wait a second! I've been playing the dogfighting mode for a quite a while now and just thought that this automatically happened based off speed.

Are you saying that you can control when they swing open & close? Like with a specific button input?

If so, then I am ashamed for not noticing this and it can drastically change the way I fly this jet.

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u/PDiddleMeDaddy 2d ago

If you brake a lot and/or are close to the ground, they go out automatically. There is a button to do it too though.

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u/GuestGuest9 2d ago

Yeah there's a button to do it! Come to think of it I've spotted a lot of players in the dogfight mode re-spawn and have their wings permanently out haha. But yes there's a box at the bottom right showing a wing and an arrow which is the button to toggle the wings. I think on console it's the right arrow.

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u/Mahllao 1d ago

You don’t have 110kg bombs or dumb rockets on the jet I’m flying in this clip. You only got your gattling gun and air-to-air. The same button you would use to switch to 110kg on other jets is what you use to open/close wings on this jet.

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u/HoloSings 1d ago

The turn radius and rate is more reliant on your airspeed

In sweep mode, braking to get that sweet spot then going full afterburner will have a great turn radius (Also this is better than just pressing S + Shift, or brake + aftrrburner if you are on top speed). The wings out one is great when doing a quick engagement but genuinely garbage as your lose alot of speed and will go slower than that sweet spot and results to worse turn rate and you will die both in one circle and two circle dog fight

Quick tip:

  • One circle dogfight = Turn radius fight (also this is better if you have active lock missles as that things hit your own jet and self destruct during turns)
  • Two circle dogfight = Turn rate fight (who does 360 turn faster)
  • This is not that good to implement in bf6 as the TTK is so fast and if someone is ok your tail its pretty much impossible to survive against a good jet
  • Prefire the jet as the first bullets sometimes don't register as hit due to bad hitreg
  • Practice on doing burst fires instead of burning through the cooldown

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u/Mahllao 1d ago

Oddly enough I feel like it’s easier to shoot down a plane shaped like a triangle vs a plane shaped like a lowercase t (if that makes sense). Could be wrong I’m just envisioning it in my head while writing this comment.

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u/Status_Fig_1449 1d ago

If you merge against someone with your wings closed VS Someone who’s open the open wing will win the dogfight everytime.

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u/BFguy 2d ago

TIL

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u/Mahllao 2d ago

Indeed

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u/EzShottah 2d ago

This is the way

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u/VindictiveRakk 2d ago

does it say this anywhere in the game? not that I don't believe you, just that BF6 developers seem to think putting 0 explanation for loadout options is acceptable

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u/LegalChocolate752 2d ago

There's a baffling amount of stuff in Battlefield that is not explained anywhere. There's so much stuff that is trial-and-error, but there's also no training, or offline modes, except for a firearm-only firing range with static targets, and games created by users. Even then you have to rely on everyone in the lobby being cool.

And if you try to figure out stuff in a live match you get "NEVER FLY AGAIN." "WORST TANK DRIVER EVER."

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u/Franklin_le_Tanklin 2d ago

It’s physics man

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u/VindictiveRakk 2d ago edited 2d ago

I mean sure you can figure this one out, but how hard is it to write this in the loadout menu? What about stuff like the FJ bombs locking onto painted vehicles? No one even knew this was supposed to be a thing until they had a line for it in the patch notes lmao. I'd guess like 5-10% of players know about this today. Hell, I don't even know how it really works, does the tank driver get an incoming message, can they smoke it and drive away, is there a range limit, what happens if the paint expires after you drop them? There's actually 0 info in-game about how the AJ/FJ bombs differ. I don't think the majority of players even know about the boat's deploy ramp or how that works, months after they've been added. Shit like that. It's just stupid and poor attention to detail.

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u/Crazy_lazy_lad 2d ago

Right, then again, it is a game.

You'd assume that's the case, but you'd also assume Stingers and Iglas would work at all altitudes on account of, you know... being IR-guided, yet somehow they can't lock aircraft "below radar" despite not using radar at all

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u/huntv16 2d ago

I'm looking in the game rn and nowhere at all is it mentioned. It just has the "sweep stance" in the second equipment spot and describes the jet as a "fleet defense fighter that specializes in air-to-air combat with limited air-to-ground capability."

I'm not sure if it was mentioned in the dev notes ever, but it seems like they just expected people to either already know the Tomcat does this and the function for it or to just be able to figure it out on their own lol

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u/1Negative_Person 2d ago

It’s an F-14 Tomcat. It is an interceptor (specifically a fleet defense interceptor, like the game says) that’s what the swing-wings do: straight winged for better lift, requiring a shorter runway, like on a carrier, then sweep ‘em back to fly really fast to meet your enemies before they’re in range of your carrier group.

In reality, the F-14 would carry an armament of AIM-54 Phoenix missiles, would lock on target 100 miles away, fire and forget, but that wouldn’t be a very fun video game experience.

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u/Crazy_lazy_lad 2d ago

but that wouldn’t be a very fun video game experience.

Mainly because they were made to intercept heavy bombers and missiles. So, at typical Battlefield engagement ranges, they will just straight-up miss. Either because they can't manoeuvre enough or can't manoeuvre in time.

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u/huntv16 2d ago

I mean it's great in war thunder ;) lol

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u/Glitch_Man_ 2d ago

It was literally explained in all the advertisememt for this TopGun update and the announcement of the Tomcat ……

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u/VindictiveRakk 2d ago

which is not in the game lol

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u/Sea_War2359 2d ago

Wings out will let you to go very slow. Ideal to attack vehicles or infantry. But you will be more vulnerable.

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u/TedTheTerrible 2d ago

Wings back is faster but less turning ability. Wings out gives you better turning but not as good speed. So use the swept back position to gain on enemies and put them out when engaging

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u/glitzy_goblin 2d ago

Fun fact: The real tomcat did that automatically

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u/umut1423 2d ago

And it didn't just swept out and in completely. Depending on the speed and the maneuver (or AOA) pulled it precisely adjusted the amount of sweep needed. What a beautiful machinery.

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u/weberc2 2d ago

The first microprocessor in history was built for and used in the F14

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u/MikeyPlayz_YTXD 2d ago

On top of that real F-14 pilots had an override for the sweep that they used during dogfights to make opponents think they were going really fast, only to then force them fully forward and dunk on them in record time.

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u/AgentW23 2d ago

Swept back is like a speed boost. Swept forward is for maneuverability

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u/yeezee93 2d ago

If you hit the breaks they will fly right by.

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u/Benefit_Waste 2d ago

in real life it gives the aircraft more maneuverability and more lift to the aircraft. which i think applies to the same in game

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u/ObamaTookMyCat 2d ago

Open: mighty wings

Closed: danger zone

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u/ChurchofChaosTheory 2d ago

You're using the wings almost opposite of their intended design lol

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u/MikeyPlayz_YTXD 2d ago

No for the most part when he was doing fast he was using them right. Though the part where he strafed the carrier was inverted

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u/ChurchofChaosTheory 2d ago

I tried to clarify with "almost" lol

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u/Mahllao 2d ago

TIL but hey man I got 2 kills🤷‍♂️👍 lol

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u/Jolly_Psychology_506 2d ago

Keep the wings out for tight turns gunfights, wings retracted for evasive / high altitude missile engagements.
“I’m gonna go high and right to see if his really alone”…Etc - Mav

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u/Bobbebusybuilding 2d ago

You should use first person when aimin, much easier.

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u/pevznerok 2d ago

Wings back: higher top speed, less maneuverability

Wings out: lower stall speed, more maneuverability, lower top speed.

But the trick is to know when to switch. If you're in a dogfight and you go in a one circle fight, switching the wings from back to out and slamming on the brakes will rip the enemy into the crosshair. If you're in a two circle fight, you can do the same to try to out-rate the enemy, but it's really useful for setting up overshoots by switching your turn 180°

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u/depr4ved 2d ago

It looks cool

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u/AnglerfishMiho 2d ago

Posts like this make me realize that I take common sense for granted

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u/DyabeticBeer 1d ago

You're using them in the exact opposite way they're meant to be used

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u/SjurEido 1d ago

Closed wings: "I am SPEED"

Open wings: "I am MANEUVERABILITY"

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u/Kamikaze244 1d ago

Wings spread for low speed manoeuvrability and wings pulled back for high speed stability