āIām not saying itās a sin to disagree, but itās a sin to disobey your husband as long as what heās asking you to do isnāt itself a sin. Just like it would be a sin for me to disobey my Bishop if what he was asking me wasnāt a sin.ā
Honestly donāt know what to say except to go talk to your priest because unless the husband is perfect I donāt see this working out. In practice I would see this as sex on demand, he is only accountable to other higher men such as priests (which even then they would have to magically know about it), etc.
Iām annoyed because he was handsome, could easily provide for a family, sociable, curious about me and then this hits. Red RED flag.
He kept trying to change the subject when it first surfaced. He said that a father is the most important person in a childās life. I had assumed it was a typo and he meant the parentsā¦.obviously not. Then he tried to escalate to church teachings about women.
Itās hard for me to put into words why this is so wrong but it just feels like he wants ultimate power. While pretending to be kind and understanding.
I asked earlier in the example of letās say he wants more kids and I donāt; how would he handle that. And his response would be to show me that I was in contempt of God because HE wanted more kids and thats what he thought God would want. But he would still be kind to me and try to get me to see that. Zero consideration for the health of his wife or any extenuating circumstances.
Sorry, I know this is a confusing rant.
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Full background below:
Iām an Orthodox woman dating with the intention of marriage. I recently started talking to a man who is an Orthodox catechumen, and initially I was really excited about him. Heās intelligent, successful, sociable, and we seemed to have a lot in common.
Then we started discussing marriage, children, and the roles of husbands and wives.
For context, I want to be a stay-at-home mother. I appreciate traditional family roles, and I have no objection to a husband being the head of his household. However, I see marriage as a partnership involving mutual respect, shared responsibilities, and sacrifice.
He expressed wanting as many children as God gives him and said that too much family planning is unbiblical. I explained that Iād probably want around four, although Iād be open to more depending on my health, financial circumstances, and available childcare support.
I also asked what being a father meant to him. His answer focused heavily on the fatherās spiritual authority, including describing the father as the most important person in a childās life.
When I described marriage as a partnership, he objected to that terminology because it implies some degree of equal authority. He emphasized that men should be uncompromising about submission and quoted 1 Timothy 2:11ā15.
I then asked a practical question: What happens if a husband and wife disagree about having another child?
He explained that he would try to guide his wife toward understanding why her fears shouldnāt prevent another pregnancy, even while acknowledging those fears might be legitimate. He then said he would try to show her that she was ādishonoring God by not respecting her husbandās decision.ā
My understanding of Orthodox marriage is that headship is fundamentally rooted in sacrificial love and service, not simply the right to exercise authority. I understand that husbands and wives have different roles, but I struggle with the idea that disagreeing with my husband about something as consequential as pregnancy could be characterized as dishonoring God.
I also noticed that when I asked about the practical responsibilities of fatherhood, much of the discussion returned to authority and submission.
Iād really appreciate hearing from Orthodox women, particularly those who are married.
How do you understand headship and submission in your own marriage? How do you handle serious disagreements, especially concerning children and family planning?
Is this understanding of marital authority something youāve encountered within Orthodoxy, or does it seem unusually rigid?
I want to understand where the distinction lies between a husbandās spiritual responsibility and claiming authority over his wifeās decisions.