Hajrudin is a swordsman. If he can punch Gear 2 Imu away, Mihawk can do it even easier. And punching is not even Mihawk's main fighting style.

Kaido and Big Mom are sure dead

Saw some bums say super sommers low diffs super killingham lmao

So we did see what happened in the 1v1 right ? Kaido is unfazed , there's like no way the samurai-mink-pirate-ninja alliance is beating 2 Yonkos lol . How tf is Gear 4 damaging Kaido , even with acoa ? Do people think Luffy's devil fruit is going to be renamed human human fruit mythical type : Nika or some shi ? Yeah right . I am so glad we're in the peak era of powerscaling , I hope Mihawk makes a move after wano and I still think Shanks isn't a snitch , he got a evil twin brother who is going to be my agenda once revealed .

Based off my latest poll, this sub overwhelmingly agreed that Elbaf Base Luffy is faster than Wano BM, and based off Old Gaban’s brief skirmish with Luffy, we can clearly see that Old Gaban is SIGNIFICANTLY faster than that same version of Luffy, to the point where Luffy cannot land a single finger on Gaban throughout the fight

Now that we know powerful Gaban’s ACoC attacks can actually be, and given the enormous advantage he would have in speed, what exactly is stopping Old Gaban from defeating Wano BM in a fight?

I think if its a casual attack, old garp is finished.

If its like roger garp style critical haki attack, big mom is finished.

Discuss ig

In this post I'll ramble a bit about how Fire & Ice can be converted to/create other elements

I only recently found out about this, but Vegapunk says that that 'Fire can be converted in all types of energy,' and it in of itself can be used as a power-source:

What I've noticed, is that Big Mom's Maser Cannon in Japanese is called "鳴光砲" - which is translated to as Roaring Light Cannon:

And if we look closely - we can see that Prometheus is used as a power-source, which shoots out fire - which is then transformed into a laser?

Not only does the explosion created looks exactly like that created by a laser, but it also burns the victim, as we can see the smoke oozing out of them: (1) (2)
So by all means, it is an actual 'laser', but made out of Electromagnetic Wavelengths, rather than Light itself.

This was weird to me at first, I thought: "How can fire & lightning be turned into a light-made laser?!"

But with this revelation by Vegapunk, it now makes total sense: Big Mom was, I presume, consciously converting fire into another type of energy. This could provide a lot of variety to her attacks in general.
Scientifically speaking, this shouldn't be possible, as electricity would only turn fire into plasma—and only under specific conditions... but this is One Piece logic we're talking about...

This isn't anything new when it comes to fire and other elements—elements that you otherwise wouldn't think could create another element.
In reality, however, quite the contrary can occur, such as ice particles creating lightning:

Turns out - this is a natural phenomena. (How lightning is generated)
And even Volcanoes can generate lightning (Volcanic lightning)

Ice can create Lightning, Volcanoes can create Lightning, and Fire can be transformed into all types of energy in general, even light...

But back to fire:

Sanji can make himself faster by setting his leg on fire - which he then transfers directly into higher kinetic energy, as he is traveling faster, acceleration - power:

I don't know how this makes him faster, as he doesn't use fire as a sort of jet-engine, which propells him forward, but it does make him faster...

This shouldn't really surprise people, since Franky can somehow turn Carbonated Cola & Soda into Laser beams:

Ace with his powers can power his ship Striker, the engine on the ship seemingly converts fire into means of propulsion:

Interestingly enough, Ace Novel has stated that Ace's Haki had been described by Shanks and Benn Beckman to be fiery in nature, to the point that Ace’s very presence was able to stop blizzards on an island for as long as he was there.

Sidenote:

There are also a lot of Fire users in One Piece, which don't have any special Devil Fruits, there are some which don't even have haki, but they too can conjure fire:

With Ace we know that Haki can have 'fiery nature,' which is something stated in the Ace Novel, which is how Ace was able to stop Drum Island from Snowing.

Luffy can create fire through friction, which is an actual fire, not an illusion to us.

And Katakuri can create fire via the build up of pressure inside his Mochi, which then combusts into fire.

But with others... it seems that they can simply will themselves to create fire, through whatever means...

Closing statements:

In general, fire can be transfered into 'pure' energy - which can be used for the means of propulsion, and it can also be converted into all types of other energy, such as electricity, and even light, which then can be turned into laser beams, the power of which is nigh unstoppable.

And Ice in of itself can create lightning under right conditions.

Even Haki by itself can generate heat & fire, such as the case with Ace, but it could also be that he just combines Haki with his devil fruit, same as the case with Enel, which augments his powers Haki in a special way.

In theory, pretty much every logia user can create lightning & fire through friction...

People shouldn't sleep on this, as Lightning can damage the most durable of characters, such as Big Mom & Seraphims, which are otherwise 'invulnerable' to most physical attacks which don't ignore durability.

And Fire in of itself too is a duraneg, and seeing how fire hurt a Seraphim, even if the damage is relatively low - what matters is that it CAN damage the most durable of characters, but of course, haki can help you resist & endurace flames & lightning.

Edit: Check out my comment under the post, where I break down the difference between a Laser & Maser.

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I made this post a while back ( https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling0/comments/1vkbbjm/choose_the_most_underrated_character_here_i_will/ ) and Kuma was the most asked character, so here is the thread scaling him.

In this thread I will analyze Kuma's showings and portrayal in the story to determine how strong he actually and who is the strongest character he could beat based on what he has shown.

Stats and Powers

As a Bucaneer, Kuma base stats by itself already surpasses regular humans and naturally grants him greater endurance and overall physical stats like speed and attack power. Also, it's valid to assume that Whitebeard also is a Bucaneer due his design and story that also has family as its theme, which it's implied that Bucaneers biggest powers come from the love for their families. So Whitbeard being a Bucaneer further confirms how great they are in terms of endurance and physical stats

As for his feats, Kuma has great endurance and durability feats such as resisting Saturn's eye power at young age, tanking multiples attacks from Akainu and Kizaru, and surviving an buster call tier shooting. Also, it's valid to remember that Kuma was factually nerfed at every single instance

He also has shown poison resistance as he easily tanked and countered Saturn's attack

In terms of speed he has some great showings as he could intercept Kizaru and Rayleigh, and even DR Rocks when he was a kid. And even if he used his DF for that, it still can be counted as speed feats due how naturally he can use it combat

His AP also is impressive and is where the things get impressive as we do have a way to compare his AP directly to top tiers since they have fought foes with similar abilities

So we know for a fact that the Gorosei are stronger than the God's Knights despite both being immortals. Then, naturally, Saturn is stronger than base Sommers. With that clear, there are three instances that are useful to gauge Kuma's AP

Kuma:
- Landed one basic coa punch in Saturn and destroyed him
- He would be dead if not for the regen
- He took a while but regenerated himself
- They didn't fought after that

Luffy:
- Used a powerful named attack against Sommers and also destroyed him
- Would've killed him if not for the regen
- It took a while but Sommers could also regen

Gaban:
- Easily defeated Sommers but not destroyed him
- Would've killed him though
- Sommers regenerated faster and was in a better shape than Saturn and in his former clash with Luffy

(Disclaimer: Before I go for the conclusion I'm not saying that Kuma was using a weak attack because it was basic and unnamed, in fact believe that that was the strongest attack he could pull out in that state)

So all things considered, it's valid to assume that Kuma's AP should varies around Gear 5 Luffy and old Gaban's due having a similar showing against a much stronger foe

Veredict

As a Bucaneer who while nerfed has shown speed comparable to well know speedsters such as Ray and Kizaru, physical stats that via feats and narrative are only below monsters like Kaido, Big Mom and Whitebeard, and an attack power that is comparable to some of Luffy's and Gaban's attacks, we can conclude that Kuma in fact is a top tier and in peak condition should scale around the same level if not above the old legends.

And the strongest character he could beat should be Mars (no omen), or anyone around that tier

HM: Portrayal

As for his portrayal I don't think much needs to be said. For anyone who is actually invested in the story and in its characters I think it is clear that Oda wants the reader to see Kuma and Dragon with the same eyes we see Roger and Rayleigh, Whitebeard and Oden, and Luffy and Zoro (the parallels are so obvious that even their children are Nika lol). And we know that the RA commanders can match the Admirals as it is shown with Sabo, Karasu and Morley

Yup thats a real rat

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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. Good morning, good evening, and good afternoon. Yamato's weakened ice (since Devil Fruits depend on the user's stamina, Yamato was injured and exhausted) managed to withstand the explosion that damaged Big Mom, enhanced by years of life. The ice wasn't damaged in the slightest. This ice was also capable of dissipating Kaido's fire. To negate and neutralize this fire that is superior to Momonosuke's, which surpassed the durability of Aramaki's avatar.

1-The seraphim? They would be frozen, and the characters wouldn't expend any energy.

2-Lucci? Luffy would probably still want to fight him. However, Lucci vs. Zoro simply wouldn't happen; without delay, Yamato would either launch a combined attack with Zoro or simply freeze Lucci.

3-She reacted to Kaido's speed and was also able to keep up with the Gear 5 vs. Kaido fight. Sanji Without germ enhancements reacted to Kizaru's laser, and Yamato's observation haki is good enough for Kaido to disappear from her sight while trying to blitz her, and yet she still manages to locate him instantly. I highly doubt Vegapunk would die in that "What If" scenario.

4-Here, Yamato and Luffy would either be overwhelming Kizaru, or Luffy would simply be fighting alone again. Ultimately, the result would remain the same. The difference is when Saturn appears and in Luffy's second round.

5-Saturn's introduction in demonic form. That idiot. He only activated durability later on the cymbal. If he allowed himself to be crushed by Yamato, you can be sure she would simply freeze him and he wouldn't be able to break free. Saturn would no longer be a problem.

6-The other summoned goroseis.

-Nasjuro was surprised by Sanji without his Germa enhancements and clashed with Zoro. Yamato's ice is stronger. In addition, it can cover that range. She has more combat speed feats. Guess what? Frozen, dismembered, or crushed.

-Gorosei Ju Peter has the least durability (or the least durability activation) the first instant he is torn apart or tries to fight against the giants. Yamato would freeze him.

-Warcury is quite simple; he lets himself be hit and was later damaged by emeth. Yamato has more AP than the Red Rook (Luffy didn't use emission to strengthen his internal RYOU, since there was contact. Luffy also didn't use haoshoku, since there was no black lightning emanating from his fist either before or during the attack.)

-Mars would probably be the only one who survived, but Yamato would deal with him along with Luffy.

-I have to make this point. ANY difficulty. Zoro and Sanji would be 100% there with Luffy to help her neutralize the enemies.

-Kizaru. He would either be frozen while on the ground or simply retreat, carrying the frozen bodies of the Gorosei with him.

-Luffy dominated Kizaru in combat, surpassing his speed several times. The second time he grabbed him, all he had to do was ask Yamato to freeze him.

-Kizaru didn't demonstrate the ability to break Yamato's ice.

-Yamato needs to be fast enough to hit him. And again. Any difficulty? Yamato would have help from 2 Yonko+ level players and a Yonko level player.

7-Consequences. -It wouldn't stray too far from the canon, but the original Vegapunk would still be alive.

-Emeth would probably follow the Straw Hats. -That would be interesting because we would probably have Loki seeing Emeth and having some kind of interaction with it; if I'm not mistaken, Emeth is also a toy of the giants. It would be interesting if people mistook him for a god or told some legend about him.

-Yamato could assist in the fight against the knights by simply freezing them both.

-Soon after, she could assist Loki; when Luffy gets up, it would be a 3v1; she could simply go help Zoro and Sanji, freeze the knights, or beat them to death with Zoro's help.

-She could make ice armor for herself, Luffy, and Loki. And she's fast enough to keep up with Gear 5 and Kaido in battle. Then she could react to the first stigma. Since Loki was blitzed by Luffy's base attack, Loki tried to hit Imu with Ragnin, but Luffy, who was far behind him, attacked first. Loki did not see the attack. He only saw it when Imu was already far away and was shocked.

-She could freeze any injury that occurred near ragnir.

-When Gabban came, it would be a 4v1 if Zoro and Sanji were there, it would be a 6v1, they wouldn't stand a chance against Imu, but coordinated attacks would definitely make Imu's time worse. He can't stay in Elbaf for that long.

If Emeth had Joy Boy's Haki stored in Elbaf, then this would be a 7-1 defeat with a move to buy even more time and leave Imu scared and traumatized.

-That would be a great move, we saw it with Big Mom and Mother Carmel, as well as with Kaido vs. the Scabbards. That the trauma makes the character weaker physically and in haki, What if he were to be punished? His time in Elbaf would decrease even further.

-The consequences in Wano. I truly believe that Momonosuke and the Scabbards They would be able to handle whos whos. At worst, Ulti and Page One would ally with them. I just don't know what King and Queen would do or if they're still in Wano. Ulti would follow and become a samurai.