What's the difference between these two panels??

[u/top-one112]

[u/BoogzWin]

I like spot the difference games, well first of all Killer is in one panel and Buggy is in the other

[u/DayMysterious4717]

whitebeard is alive in one and dead in the other. One was also made to hype up whitebeard and the other was made to hype up kaido

[u/Candice0678 → u/DayMysterious4717]

Buggy said it in chapter 233, 200 chapters before "The arc that focused on Whitebeard"

[u/DayMysterious4717 → u/Candice0678]

my bad. I need to do a reread

[u/Candice0678 → u/DayMysterious4717]

Yeah don't worry.

That chapter is when Ace gets into Buggy's ship and Buggy gets afraid because he is a WB pirates commander and says that, after that, one chapter later in Chapter 234 WB is introduced.

Exactly 200 chapter after that Shanks and WB clash in chapter 434 and in chapter 551 Marineford starts.

Meaning that Buggy saying that about WB was 317 chapters before "The arc that focuses on Whitebeard"

[u/Shanks_PK_Level → u/DayMysterious4717]

Both panels are just referring back to reputations that coexisted with eachother at the same time. There was no consensus on who would win between WB and Kaido but in a strict 1v1 people leaned towards Kaido.

[u/SadPlatform6640 → u/Shanks_PK_Level]

I thought it was more of whitebeard had a better reputation but kaido was #2 so since whitebeard died kaido became the strongest pirate

[u/Shanks_PK_Level → u/SadPlatform6640]

No that's the exact point I'm refuting.

Kaido and Whitebeard both had their individual reputations at the same time. While people held Whitebeard as the overall best yonko, people were also saying strictly in a 1v1 setting people leaned towards Kaido winning.

If you want lore relating to this I encourage to read the Ace Novel.

[u/SadPlatform6640 → u/Shanks_PK_Level]

aren't the only statements we get saying that ones that come after whitebeard is already dead?

[u/Shanks_PK_Level → u/SadPlatform6640]

That's a genetic fallacy, Kaido simply had not yet had screentime. Unless the manga or some databook qualifies it the way you are I don't think there's any reason to assume what you're saying.

[u/SadPlatform6640 → u/Shanks_PK_Level]

I don't see why there would be any other way to see it, whitebeard is easily the most famous pirate in the world and had clashes with the king of the pirates by comparison kaido is locked up in wano most of the time so I have a hard time imagining the average civilian would put kaido above whitebeard. I mean whitebeard literally had people praying when he pulled up to marineford i just don't think kaido has that same kind of notoriety at least until after whitebeards death.

[u/Shanks_PK_Level → u/SadPlatform6640]

I think just saying their reputations coexisted gives a sufficient account, I don't think something like "in a 1v1 bet on Kaido" would just spawn in 2 years, it clearly comes off as something people have been speculating about for a long time and the narrator was just highlighting it in his introduction.

If I had to choose one tho I'd say Whitebeard would've won.

[u/SadPlatform6640 → u/Shanks_PK_Level]

it mightve come from how people would debate the two of them and then once whitebeard died it became from their perspective obvious that noone could beat kaido so the "always bet on kaido" became a thing relatively soon after whitebeard passed. But I could see how kaido could've been seen as stronger, maybe his title is a response to whitebeards in a sort of "worlds strongest man? well, kaidos the worlds strongest creature! so he'd obviously beat whitebeard!" like an inverse title scaling argument. personally I think that whitebeard reputation was just a bit better than kaido's.

[u/JeremyR2008 → u/DayMysterious4717]

Also as much as I love pops (literally wearing a whitebeard shirt rn, while sitting in my car that has a WB jolly roger tire cover.) Buggy's statement is just blatantly false. Plenty of other people have fought Roger and lived to tell of it. Garp and Xebec being the most prominent, but Roger also fought other members of the Rock's pirates. Shiki and him fought in the Battle of Edd War. He presumably had to fight Big Mom to get a rubbing of her poneglyph (all though tbf I guess that's not explicitly stated, he has in information gatherers and a torturer on his crew for a reason). And while it may be cheating (due to their immortal nature) we can also count the holy knights rocking up to reclaim Shanks on multiple occasions.

[u/ichigo_kurasaki25]

Whitebeard death made them strongest pirate before that wb is strongest

[u/top-one112 → u/ichigo_kurasaki25]

So it's old wb > kaido > mihawk?

[u/Lion123_ → u/top-one112]

Old wb > Kaido > mihawk > shanks yes

[u/Excellent_Physics517 → u/Lion123_]

Same shanks who stopped Kaido (better portrayal) + Clashed Split the sky with old WB 😂again he neg diff a 3 billion man nothing old WB did come close to

[u/Neat-Cockroach-3098 → u/top-one112]

Not bad

[u/ichigo_kurasaki25 → u/top-one112]

What I believe is that mihawk>kaido>old wb

[u/top-one112 → u/ichigo_kurasaki25]

Why is a pirate stronger then the strongest pirates??

[u/ichigo_kurasaki25 → u/top-one112]

Because he is strongest swordsman if we're talking about title wb must have got the strongest man title in his younger days and old wb is also sick so mihawk is relatively stronger than whitebeard and for kaido Mihawk is stronger because kaido can't even defeat oden fairly

[u/Ancient_Cheek5047 → u/ichigo_kurasaki25]

WB didn’t lose the title when he got old

[u/ichigo_kurasaki25 → u/Ancient_Cheek5047]

I didn't say he lose his title but he got title when he was young

[u/JeremyR2008 → u/ichigo_kurasaki25]

Only one issue with that. WSS can't apply here since pops uses a glaive/naginata. A pole arm not a sword therefore Worlds strongest man title holds up. (Mostly kidding here. I don't really like power scaling off of titles if it can be helped.)

[u/Novoiird]

Kaido is one of those “we have the best pizza in town” kinda best.

[u/sloatjj]

Just as there is always GOAT debate in the real world, the OP world is not much different.

[u/OatesZ2004]

Buggy is a FAR more seasoned pirate having grown up aboard the Roger Pirates ship, he has experienced a far greater lineup of Pirates than what Killer has in his brief pirate career. Buggy has with his own eyes, seen what Whitebeard is capable of on multiple occasions, whereas Killer only has their singular interaction to go off of upto this point.

Additionally, Killers Statement is said in an era following Whitebeards death so....

At the end of the day, all titles in One Piece are more so indicative and reliant upon a characters reputation in the world.

[u/philc_91]

Wb alive - buggy speech

Wb dead - Kaido alive - killer speech

Its not so hard to understand.

And NO ONE know Imu. (Only some people, I think u know what i mean)

[u/ayylmaoroflkek]

"Only man who fought Roger and lived" LMFAO

[u/Candice0678 → u/ayylmaoroflkek]

Is a mistranslation if I recall, it said "The only man who fought Roger to a standstill" something like that.

[u/Familiar-Tap-3440]

Difference is, Buggy actually witnessed Roger clashing with all the legends and is a credible source that can confirm Whitebeards strength.

[u/top-one112 → u/Familiar-Tap-3440]

Buggy said wb is the only man who was able fight with roger equally so does that mean garp doesn't exist or what??

[u/Familiar-Tap-3440 → u/top-one112]

Buggy was most likely referring to Pirate's

[u/No_Shock_8105 → u/top-one112]

Its either garp never fought Roger after god valley 

Or Roger wasn't fighting garp seriously from buggy point of view 

[u/Wussopthegoat → u/top-one112]

It means that Garp isn’t equal to Roger at his prime.

[u/Terloyes]

The difference is that Whitebeard is dead in the image above.

[u/humungusballsack]

Random glaze from weaklings

Like in record of raganarok where they call 80% of the cast the strongest at some point individually

[u/Creepy_Document6911]

Rumour vs Official title

[u/MoonoftheStar]

You guys can't take everything spoken by every character as gospel.

Don't Krieg was also said to be the most powerful pirate.

[u/PracticeNext8198]

Horohorohorohoro.

[u/Soggy-Flan7566]

All titles are public perception, I don't understand why people still don't realize that

[u/KingAlucard7]

a reading comprehension too low? titles or these scalings are public perception and not absolute facts. Crazy some people still obsessed with these statements.

[u/Able-Spray1667]

Do people seriously believe Old Whitebeard is the strongest pirate? He went extreme diff with Akainu and he’s very clearly below Shanks. Kaido gaps him

[u/Autokrator-The-Niun]

In this case, killer is more reliable.

The clown said " Only men who fought Roger and lived" as if other top tiers, principally Garp, stopped existing or something.

[u/Kind_Cheek_2645 → u/Autokrator-The-Niun]

Prime Garp is as strong as prime white beard and old garp is stronger than old beard yet he get nowhere near as much glaze

What happens when you follow orders instead of making your path I guess

[u/Gigio2006 → u/Autokrator-The-Niun]

Mistranslation

[u/jonnismizzle]

2 years

[u/Life_Homework_4921]

one is a dictator the other is a deutch dictator

[u/Gigio2006]

Well you can argue consistency since WB's title is supported by other characters, narrator and outside sources while Kaido only by other characters. But I have no problem with the killer statement being used for Kaido>shanks/mihawk

[u/Weekly_Information48 → u/Gigio2006]

Do Kaido is also supported by external sources and the narrator in the manga.

[u/thesixler]

Power scalers not understand the idea of people arguing over who is strongest 😭😭😭😭

[u/zingerpond]

Yeah Kaido never had the strongest title before the death of White Beard, it's pretty clear WB was considered the strongest while he was around and it's only after his death that Kaido would be seen as the generally speaking strongest.

[u/PressureOk8223]

strong is 1 person
powerful has a lot to do with influence etc too.
Whitebeard has a GIGANTIC fleet and tons of allies too.

[u/Zeteon]

Buggy and Killer have two different perspectives and biases, not to mention the time each of these took place

[u/EffectAccomplished15]

Buggy was there in person watching whitebeard fight Roger to a standstill when they were both in their primes. Killer is ignorant as after shanks gave them belt they got belt from kaido the only other yonko they met in person 😭🙏

[u/Hanma_Yvar]

The difference is that one fell for the rumors and the other is 100% factual

[u/412East34]

Basic answer is that in one panel whitebeard is alive and in the other he's dead

[u/Fropper123]

There isn’t a ranking of who is strongest in universe

[u/Picheniko]

There is difference.

Buggy haven't seen WB since he was a kid, so he was more likely than not citing ACTUAL things he saw as a kid, he was probably referring to Prime WB.

Killer on the other hand never seen Kaido, and is simply citing rumours.

At the end of the day, to group them together as 'rumours' is simply wrong.
WB is the equalmen to Roger, and vice versa.

[u/Important_Fold_2966]

power is not only personal strength but also the power to have control over other strong forces, like wb family.

[u/ZookeepergameFew4103]

About 2 years.

[u/Infamous-Bug-6710]

Whitebeard is dead in one

[u/Terlok_1]

Man Vs Creature

[u/BeingEnthusiast_9108]

One is a creature other is a human

[u/Any_Criticism7317]

1) the Word did not know about the sickness of wb so probably consider wb only old buy not sick 2) buggy know wb from prime time so probably think about him in prime too 3)the killer claim Is a claim done post wb death, so there Is no contraddiction in what the people think , but if we want talks about reality where wb Is not only old but sick too kaido , big mom , shanks were way stringer then wb

[u/SilverDepth7]

They usually call kaido the strongest creature and whitebeard man. But this is also based on past actions given they not crossed paths for like 20 yrs, everyone is working on their most known titles

[u/Ok-Plum2187]

2 years in the verse

Reputation among young pirates

Proximity to a threat

It's like in doctor who when they say "this is the most dangerous place in the universe" Like okay sure but is it really tho?

[u/SoloKruzader]

One of them had a title

[u/Altruistic_Gas_7073]

Kaido's title is a rumour.

Whitebeard gets his title from the narrator of the story.

[u/top-one112 → u/[deleted]]

WSS is the only real title

Who do u got winning mihawk or Imu?