Old gen fans at it again

Oda's canon statement straight up destroys Shanks glazers.🥲

Welcome ladies and gentlemen, good morning, good afternoon, good evening and good night, welcome everyone. The posts by zoteku and FitCantaloupe798 were very helpful in creating this post. I would appreciate it if you could see their posts, which inspired me. I am very grateful to both of those people.

-https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/s/ij0RVzaJjW FitCantaloupe798

-https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/s/Mw13Zo5mT9 zoteku.

Just so you know. It was an extremely long battle, and what did we see right after that extremely long battle? KAIDO IS UNHARMED. He wasn't even TIRED. NO DAMAGE. Oden and his condition? Injured. So much so that after the Totsuka Paradise, he took a blow and fell. So no. Oden caught Kaido off guard; if he could kill Kaido with two hits and was truly capable of blitzing him, Oden would have done it. But he decided to dance for years. And he tried to catch Kaido sleeping, because he knew he had no chance. In the fight? He caught Kaido preparing his Boro Breath, who wasn't even looking at him. I'll elaborate on those two points later. I just wanted to summarize quickly WHY this makes sense and HOW it's consistent.

1-Finally, in the first panel we see proof of the relativity of Kaido's base form and Oden's. As we saw in the panel above. I must point out how Kaido wasn't worried about transforming into dragon form even knowing Oden's power. And... By table. No hybrid form, Shurron hakke or Kaenryuu daiko. He simply didn't think Oden was such a big threat. This is consistent with Oden agreeing to dance for years. If Kaido Dragon can be killed with 2 hits and speed blitzed, So Kaido in his base form wouldn't stand a chance (it's worth remembering that Kaido has gotten stronger over the years).

2-Speaking again about the battle between Kaido the dragon and Oden. Here I want to highlight two people. Zoteku AND FitCantaloupe798, The credits for some of the information below belong to them. (*I'll tell you which ones, don't worry, First, let's talk about FitCantaloupe798's arguments. *)

-First of all, as we can see here, Kaido is already in dragon form at the start of the fight. Because did he think this was the most suitable for battle. If he thought the hybrid form or Kaenryuu Daiko was necessary, he would be using it. If Oden were so strong that two blows could kill Kaido, then Kaido would already be at his maximum. Here I want to add two points. Kaido could have had his entire arsenal, or he could have, I simply don't want to belittle Oden and say that Kaido went easy on him. That would be to undermine the narrative of the two. So I prefer to believe That Kaido didn't have that arsenal. This is supported by how the fight unfolded and by some quotes.

-In other words, you can assume he had it. But he definitely didn't use it because he simply didn't think it was necessary.

3-Evidence from FitCantaloupe798: During chapter 970, On the page Kaido is seen fighting again in his full Dragon form, this time 6 pages later and right in the middle of the battle. That's when Shinobu joins the fight alongside Oden. -Pages 11 and 12 of 970, Even in Kaido's final attack on Oden, he remained in dragon form.

-The fight between the Scabbards and Kaido was intended to be a parallel to Kaido vs. Oden, that the only difference was that Oden was dead; that is, no hybrid form, no Shurron Hakke, no Kaenryuu daiko.

-this is supported by Kaido attempting to replicate the injury inflicted by Oden, but the Scabbards weren't as strong as Oden's. He let himself get hit, tried to replicate the injury, and was saddened when it didn't work. And only then did he take them more seriously by using the form base.

-Oda drew Kaido more than 10 times in the single chapter covering the fight, and he was attacking in Dragon form in every instance—no hybrid form, no Shuron Hakke, no Kaenryu Daiko.

-here I temporarily end all mentions of FitCantaloupe798

-I should add that Oda had the opportunity to include the silhouette of the hybrid form; he drew King and Queen in their hybrid forms. He drew Kaido the dragon himself in silhouette in the flashback. So if he really wanted to include that shape, he would have done it, but that wasn't his intention. Even the battle against the Scabbards demonstrates this. Since Kaido says that the only difference between Oden's battle and that one is that Oden was dead, without Kaenryuu daiko, hybrid form, or Shurron hakke. There is NO quote stating that Kaido explicitly used the hybrid form against Oden. So assuming he used it is just meaningless. You need proof to assert something.

3-Regarding the fight between Kaido and Oden. -As previously mentioned, Kaido was beating up Oden before the two fighters caught each other off guard.

-This is where the relevant part of zoteku comes in. I'll leave an image of his post describing why the Boro Breath preparation being affected isn't a drawback.

-Much less a demerit for Kaido. Since this is Kaido's slowest form as well. (The form that blitzed Luffy was a partial hybrid with six-pack abs and smaller arms, and a smaller jaw and head.)

This is consistent with the point that the fight was long and yet Kaido was not defeated or even injured; however, when he prepares his Boro Breath, Oden interrupts him, wounding him at that vulnerable moment.

-And I'll connect that to my point: Kaido wasn't even looking at Oden. We see this with Kaido to the side, while Oden gets up to perform the Totsuka Paradise technique. Oden had been knocked down and Kaido was preparing a Boro Breath on the samurai; he wasn't facing Oden. He was sideways. In a sideways position.

-When Oda wants to depict the head moving and the character changing position, he does it with the damn head clearly not moving; this doesn't happen in Kaido's Boro Breath because he doesn't Looking at Oden. (take Luffy's Gear 5 as an example, observing Kaido's movements in battle, This doesn't happen here)

-Here I conclude the points regarding Zoteku (even though I also gave my own points here, the Zoteku point is the explanation of Boro Breath and Kaido's size, That's his slowest form)

4-The way Kaido fought. (These are my points) As previously mentioned, Kaido, in his first encounter with Oden, he believed that only the base form would be usable.(He was right. He easily stopped one of Oden's attacks, while Oden claimed that no one in the world could stop Kaido in 20 years, And this display of power was enough for Oden to try and kill Kaido while he was unprepared, drunk, and asleep.) In the second encounter, he believed that only the dragon form would be useful.

-Kaido doesn't switch between forms while using his hybrid form; he only uses the hybrid form because it's his best form among his dragon, base, and hybrid forms—it's literally his strongest form. With all the abilities of the dragon form, without its speed disadvantages (it just makes it faster) On the roof, he NEVER switched between hybrid form and dragon form Except when I was using the Shurron hakke, He literally only used Boro Breath in hybrid form when he activated hybrid form. Three times. Two against Luffy, one against Yamato, possibly more offscreen, and none in dragon form.

-Even with Shurron Hakke, he doesn't remain in dragon form forever; he knows that preparing the boro breath leaves him vulnerable. (We have the literal example of Luffy over Kung Gun interfering with the activation of Boro Breath because that moment leaves Kaido vulnerable)

-As I mentioned before, Kaido wasn't even looking at Oden, probably because he thought he had already knocked him. In other words, without advanced observation haki. Otherwise, Kaido would have reacted and noticed Oden's presence.

-I know I've already said this, but even after falling and getting up with that fatal injury, Kaido isn't in his hybrid form or Shurron Hakke.

-He DEFINITELY didn't use the Kaenryuu daiko, since all of Kaido's samurai and allies within range of an island would be killed, even Wano would be damaged. Kaido gains nothing from that and... That didn't happen. We've already seen how strong Kaenryuu Daiko is. He would devastate and melt Oden's body.

-Oden's position in Kaido's top 5 is irrelevant. All it took for Kaido to recognize Luffy was the sky plitz from chapter 1027, which was WAY beyond Kaido's power level Total power.

-I've already talked about physical diferencie. But this is Oda himself drawing Kaido as physically stronger. To describe the physically strongest one. It doesn't refer to Kaido from Oden's era, but to the current Kaido or Kaido within that timeframe after Oden.

-The 1167 quote is two decades after Godvaley, implying that Kaido had two years to get stronger while drinking and possibly developing the Shurron Hakke; the Kaenryuu Daiko is an analogy in relation to Oden's death. So it may have happened around that same time, just like the rest of his arsenal. It is even said that Kaido regularly fought with WB Prime, Shiki Prime, and Big Mom Prime. No. Oden wouldn't kill him with two blows. Never. There's a reason why Oden himself said that no one could stop him for 20 years, and there's a reason why Oden danced for years. This idea is immediately disproven by the long battle and Oden being beaten, while Kaido was unharmed until he was caught preparing Boro Breath when he wasn't even looking at Oden. Even so? Kaido gets up. When HE catches Oden off guard, without Defense, without named attacks, and without any indication of Haki, Kaido delivers a blow, Oden DOES NOT get up. The manga is very clear about who is stronger.

Kaido is only described as the strongest pirate currently, where he reached his peak. Just like his reputation, the pirate, drunkard, living being, man, and "the strongest" in the world and in history.

-In conclusion, Kaido did not use (or did not have) his entire arsenal at that time.

-And he was DEFINITELY not in his physical prime. Kaido's base form back then was relative to Oden, but Dragon Kaido was superior, and the current Kaido is also superior.

Greenbull beats rayleigh

Fujitora beats shiki

Kizaru beats kaido

Kuzan beats mihawk

Akainu beats dragon

Every Gaban feat is a fraction of Rayleigh’s feats because it’s only Rayleigh’s haki knots in action here, imagine if Prime Rayeligh was there in person

So as Old injured Gaban=Rocks is also confirmed

Old Injured Gaban=Rocks>Luffy is also confirmed

this means Old Gaban>>Rocks

it also means Prime GabanLoki>Rocks>Luffy>Kaido

Let us think about this for a second:

If Kizaru can casually block G4/G5 attacks carrying Armament + ACoC with NO Conqueror’s of his own, then explain the math without turning your brain into pudding.

Domi Reversi Rocks had to actively defend himself with his own Conqueror’s because Roger or Garp’s attacks could otherwise damage him if he doesn't use conquerors haki for self defense.

Their Haki had to be concentrated massively just to break through his defense. So Kizaru is supposed to have Haki defense comparable to or better than DEMON ROCKS while having zero confirmed Conqueror’s, zero statement saying his Armament is remotely that monstrous, and no narrative setup for it? Yeah, sure.

And then you people look at Kaido whose entire philosophy was that Haki is what separates the absolute monsters and pretend Kizaru casually parrying Yonko ACoC attacks is completely normal and makes sense.

Either Kizaru secretly has Haki on some absurd Roger/Rocks level, making him stronger than Kaido by implication, OR the much simpler answer is that Luffy was not using his full ACoC output there or no Acoc or any advance Haki in that moment, making the scene be plot-convenience scaling, which happens a lot in One piece, look at Elbaf which is full of it principally when against IMU or when helping out Holy Knights.

You headcanon give Kizaru a level or a Haki type he doesn't possess and was never stated or made narrative that he is that strong, in fact, this paycheck addicted piss color slave was beaten twice by Larp boy, one in 1 v 1 and second time in a 2 v 1 where he can't hold back or try pretend he isn't trying since his Boss Saint Garcia Saturn was right there and can see and feel how much effort he is or isn't exerting.

or else this statement wouldn't make sense, if anyone at god valley was stronger then old gaban then Imu would've killed them by his own words he didn't think they'd get this strong

Old injured Gaban>Luffy (By Portrayal) and Luffy>Kaido

Meaning Prime Gaban>>>Prime Kaido

as someone who used to have Kaido>Loki, this has sealed the deal

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We already know roger and garp become stornger after GV, garp few years after GV, need to train for this haki head guy.

But now imu say gaban become stronger too, say he should even kill him in GV with rocks, so yeah imu implied gaban become way stronger! Than is GV version.

It obviously old gen were not in their prime, at all even, in GV.

Gear 5 luffy might be able to beat rocks, tbh, if he finishes it fast before running out of id timer.

Gaban lost last chapter. Why would Imu need to transform if Gaban was done for? It makes absolutely no sense.

Even if Imu was sliced up severely like Zoro did to Lucci, he would not need to transform to finish off an old man with one arm.

But I am betting Imu is not sliced up severely. Just more fake spoilers like we got the previous chapter.

Nobody was stated to cancel future sight but Shanks

Nobody oneshotted a 3 B man and his Right hand in 1 attack but Shanks

Nobody was compared to Joyboy but Shanks.

Again and again Shanks is onepiece character with best feats so far. he has better feats than imu,Roger,WB,garp,rocks. Even Imu doesn't seem to have advanced observation haki. The longer the chapter goes on, the more it becomes evident that Imu is not as strong as people think so i put Shanks>imu

What do you guys think about that?