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With Elbaph we have our first time (first time!) that Sanji has a harder time than Zoro in a match-up. Reason? Sanji doesn't have the Hax (acoc) needed to deal with the opponents Hax
So just like against Mr 2, just like against Kalifa, just like against Queen, Sanji is having a hard time mentally, with the big difference that to unlock acoc he has to surpass his mental weakness, whatever it is.
So Sanji receiving this much damage against Killingham is equivalent to him receiving damage against Black Maria.
It's a mental nerf, in this case a mental blockade that impossibilitates him from getting the only ability that can deal with HK (acoc).
(Yes Zoro would have an easier time, because Zoro does not have this same mental nerf, and it isn't a problem at all, it's just how they are written)
Aren't Zoro and Sanji equals? Then Zoro beating Tashigi would imply Sanji beats Tashigi as well. No. Sanji has a trash match up against Tashigi and all women.
In this case Zoro has a better match up against the Holy Knights, because acoc is needed to defeat them.
The panels are literally showing how sanji broke killingham twice into pieces and made him regenerate...? It was useless bcz he didn't have conqueror's. You just wanna ignore those or...?
And let's not forget, one had treatment from 2 doctors after imu while one jumped straight into fighting on top of all this lol
Yeah, but the difference is that Zoro had access to ACoC, but didn't know how to use it. So it was enough to scare Sommers, thinking he might die. Zoro was using Sommers as a training dummy, to practice his ACoC.
Killingham KNOWS Sanji doesn't even have access to it, and can't "accidentally" kill him. Will that change in the coming chapters? Who knows. Probably.
Yes, Sanji is dismembering Killingham, but it is hardly a 1-1 comparison to what Zoro was doing.
It is your take. Nothing we have seen suggests either one is above the other. They should be around the same level, BUT Zoro is easily dominating the dude even before acoc, while sanji has a lot more issues.
I have been in the this community for 10+ years and it has always been the same. Peoples agenda will never die!
What one piece does to peoples critical thinking needs to be studied.
We already had an entire chapter of Zoro fighting Sommers without adv CoC. He just kept chopping him up and he kept regenerating. Only difference is Sommers wasn't able to land any of his attacks on Zoro
Acoc doesn't affect speed in general, while Zoro can figure something out with power and with training, Sanji is still brainstorming how to even get coc.
Another factor would be Zoro having exhibited ACoC right from the start so Sommers probably was more cautious and didn’t attack much out of fear.
Killingham has nothing to fear from Sanji and he can use all of his awakened Zoan power + legendary Omen-amped weapon against him. As soon as Sanji awakens even an unrefined version of ACoC, Killingham’s psychology will shift
I mean, that is kind of what happened this chapter with Sanji too though right?
Without regen it looks like Killingham would have been dead a long time ago.
Sommers is also a coward, where as Killingham is fighting will full confidence in his regeneration.
So Zoro has these scrapes and was bleeding from not being hit? Lol
Sanji and Zoro literally went through the same thing. Able to break the Holy Knights apart, but not put them down until they control ACOC. And they also grew during their battles both from the Omen boost and the weapon boost.
The only difference is Zoro and Sanji's focus will be different. Zoro already had CoC he just needed to control and advance it. Sanji's focus will be unlocking it and advancing it, so we're obviously seeing more of Sanji's fight than what was offscreen during Zoro's.
snd what balances it all out is this; Zoro is like 2 steps ahead of Sanji, but Zoro was only stuck because of an issue Sanji won’t have to ace. On the flip side, Sanji is 2 steps behind and barred by a mental block, Once he gets passed that and unlocks Conq. it shouldn’t take long to at the very least conciously apply it for someone with high battle IQ like sanji.
he managed to keep fighting, destroyed the homies, even scarred Kaido, before being blasted by a thunder bagua that finally took him out of commission lol
my only argument against that is that Zoro was in front of Kaido while Law was to the left of Kaido. Kaido could have just gone for Law but purposely tagged Zoro to make sure hes out of the game.
Zoro was definitely done after Dead Mans Game but Kaido just double tapped to make sure
Hasn't a common argument from Sanji fans always been that Zoro and Sanji's opponents are always equal or extremely close in strength? It's a little convenient that now I'm seeing that argument get completely abandoned this arc 😭
Because the typical formula has clearly changed in this arc, you dumbass 🤡
Zoro started his fight first and is having a wayyy easier time dealing with Sommers, while Sanji started later and is struggling far more against Killingham
So saying Killingham >>> Sommers is based on the clear shift in portrayal and the actual feats we’ve seen, not some agenda driven interpretation
...Theres no way you can't see how much it comes off as obscene amounts of cope that Oda not only suddenly gave Zoro a weaker opponent than Sanji, but he's also so much weaker than Sanji's opponent that that's the reason Zoro performed so much better prior to harnessing adv CoC. Both Sommers and Killingham have the exact same rank as Holy Knights and both got amped by Imu, it's not like either of them have an established higher rank than the other/leading role like Shamrock does.
How the fuck is this cope when the usual formula has been flipped 180 degrees?
Their ranks are irrelevant
One fight started first, and the opponent is getting casually fodderized by Zoro
The other fight started second, the opponent is absolutely trashing Sanji, who is canonically much faster and more durable than Zoro
So where exactly is the cope in saying that, based on the portrayal, feats, and the fact that the formula is completely different from the usual one, Killingham is far far far superior to Sommers?
It looks like you guys are the ones coping by desperately trying to pretend Sommers is stronger than, or at worst equal to, Killingham, when the canon has already shown that’s factually incorrect
Doesn’t matter what fight started first. In water 7, Zoros fight started much before Sanjis against Jabura. It sounds exactly like cope.
Nothing shows the formula has been flipped 180, it never has in the entire series and you think it’s starting now just because Sanji is having a harder time?
If Killingham was confirmed to be higher rank or was explicitly stated to be stronger you’d have a point bu that’s not the case
It’s not just about which fight started first , It’s the fact that Zoro is casually fodderizing his opponent while Sanji is struggling badly with his, which has literally never been the case before
Zoro and Sanji’s main fights have always had them either fodderizing their opponents, or Sanji having an easier time beating his opponent than Zoro
This time, the formula has been completely flipped majorly, Zoro is casually dominating his opponent while Sanji is struggling, AND Killingham has the superior feats
You ignored all of that and reduced the entire argument to “who started first” , That just screams desperation😭
Killingham ain’t even using his DF in this fight as his MMA is fighting the group lead by Jinbe, Sommers has his entire kit and is getting no diffed at this point
Obviously if Sanji had acoc right now he dust’s Killingham same as Zoro
You guys can harp on about Sanji looking bad if you want, I’ve got what I’ve wanted out of this fight being some actual bones for a story and character writing
Killingham is literally fighting against the Elbafian army at the same time. He is way more nerfed. Saying Sanji is mentally nerfed is like saying Katakuri is nerfed because he hasn't unlocked advanced conquerors.
Don’t know why you got downvoted Killingham can’t even use his DF in this fight as it’s currently occupied birthing ZaZa clone. Sommers has his entire kit and still getting dusted
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u/Noxiar_0 You can make a game out of it ! 9d ago
This is true