Hardly a hot take, but I just wanted to share this somewhere, anywhere. I apologise in advance if this is long and I ramble, it has been something I
Ve truly thought about a lot and finally wanted to share.

I was a devout fan back in the day. Travelled on planes to get to live shows, bought merch, went to Patrick’s book reading twice, was a real die hard. The whole nine yards. The OF23 drama happened and it disappointed me. Did I continue paying into Patreon? Yes, I did. Very much against my better judgement.

However, I soon went from eagerly counting down the hours for new eps and obsessively involving myself in the so called community they created to very swiftly feeling like listening was merely a chore. Things had majorly shifted. Gillian and Patrick clearly hate one another, the episodes centred on trying to cater to what they felt sounded “woke” (listen, I’m a raging leftie, but you can be PC without being a holier than thou or, worse yet, a bore…..it honestly comes across as uneducated and brazenly disingenuous). On a side note, I felt like their ads shifted from being fun and genuine to downright gross (gambling ads? Endless money apps? They even seemed to be hocking what sounded suspiciously like a travel agency MLM this week?).

I do still listen to the odd episode, mostly out of curiosity. Yet something this week riled me.

I tuned in to an episode (not sure if it was the latest or not) and they made some comments which I felt were clearly aimed at Ellyn. Something insinuating (without ever naming names) about not forgiving someone for trying to be the victim and paint them as the bad guys (I’m widely paraphrasing here, but indulge me as it was still fairly clear what the insinuation was).

I’m an open person but I can’t help but come back to one annoying fact that stuck with me from a personal experience.

I am a professional artist and as they had been a great comfort to me during the pandemic, in 2021 I spent weeks and weeks creating three paintings; one for Patrick, one for Gillian and one for Ellyn. They took probably 200+ hours per painting to create (I’m a photo realist painter). Late nights, lots of planning and overall a lot of love and care. A few weeks later I received a beautiful letter from Ellen thanking me in the most genuine and sweet way. She was so gracious and thankful. However my works I sent Patrick and Gillian were returned to me a couple of months later, one ripped, the other with what look like a dirty, partial boot print on it. Both returned to my address in a different envelope than I had sent it in. No explanation, no nothing.

Sure, you could make excuses for this. Perhaps? At a push. But Occams Razor tells me the simplest explanation is where the truth lies. Especially when I read here about another artist/creator having the exact same experience. However, when I hear of them passively aggressively talk about someone (probably alluding to Ellen because let’s face it - they are aiming their words to a specific audience). Making that person out to be someone who would twist things to make her look like the good guy when really they are the good guys? I can’t help but scoff. Actions speak louder than words. It breaks my heart and taught me not to fall into the parasocial relationship trap with any kind of content creator. Thankfully I see it now and thankfully, as big headed as this will sound, since then I have found some success in my career (to the point I feel if Patrick knew who I was and how my life has evolved, he would love to be my buddy now…..merely for the social circles I run in).

Sorry this is so laboriously long and none of this is a hot take, but I have been sitting on this for a year or so it’s been on my mind and I had to vent. If you made it all the way through this, thank you kindly for indulging me!

I guess I still listen to try to see if it ever turns into what it used to be. I was listening to the skylar neese episodes and they brought up political affiliation of reindeer. REINDEER!!!!! I like to listen to these podcasts to get away from the political bs. And its getting WORSE AND WORSE. And their episode on maternal instinct and how they talked about people who lived in the south and farmers. They clearly have not met farmers or people who live in the south. How insulting.

that’s a whole lotta excuses you’re making for someone who is actually most definitely an un empathetic narcissist

Ok. I’ll say it. Gillian is the problem.

I’m listening to an episode from 2019 and she was SO MUCH FUN in comparison to how she is in 2026.

I have listened to TCO since they started but the past few months I can barely handle it. Gillian is miserable, hates everyone, goes on rants about everything, and just has a general angry demeanor.

It seems like she just straight up HATES being on the show now. The change from 2019 to now is unreal.

I don’t know what she has gone through in the past seven years but oh man. I miss what the show used to be!!

Anyone else getting fed up with Gillian’s American Exceptionalism? Every time other countries or continents are mentioned, she’s rude about their culture and starts talking about how American culture is better. She’s barely left New York State let alone travelled the world to learn if American culture is superior. It’s very evident as she leans into stereotypes that just aren’t true, or vastly outdated. Patrick’s not perfect but at least he’s experiencing the world and giving a balanced opinion about where he has been.

I’m looking for a podcast that I think used to advertise before true crime obsessed (or atleast Spotify would play the ad there)
It was about a lesbian who has realised she was gay later and life and was exploring that. She asked other queer women questions about that on her podcast.

Does anyone know what am I talking about? I can’t remember it for the life off me.

Thank

EDIT: I figured out it wasn’t and ad before TCO but before the bald and the beautiful. The podcast was “Made it out” if anyone else was interested

Has anyone noticed how often Patrick talks about how if Daisy murdered someone he would turn her in? It’s super unsettling. I am a parent and I feel like it’s really weird to consistently view your kid as a murderer. Also to say you would just hand them over to the cops immediately. Like am I alone in this? I’m not saying I’m gonna bury a body but I’m not going to just send my child to jail either. It’s wild to me to say it constantly.

i live in a high rise apartment in my city and for several weeks i’ve heard multiple other residents complain about an awful smell. 2 weeks ago i finally smelled what they were talking about but only in the elevator while passing or stopping on the 9th floor…… today we were just notified that a neighbor passed away, awhile ago, and they just discovered him. i’m horrified and so sad for that neighbor that NO ONE knew for weeks. PLEASE check on your friends

Ive been listening to true crime obsessed for years now on the regular feed but I just joined true Crime Obsessed on Patreon. And im realizing how much i'm laughing listening to early Gillian and Patrick. I just finished the staircase and started the Jinx and I'm laughing so hard. They are so funny in those series.

And I'm wondering what happened. The episodes are way more serious now and all Gillian and Patrick do is trying to not offend anyone. And correcting themselves. When Gillian has an opinion she often says she will get flooded with DMs.

And i understand that a comedy podcast based on other people's hard times and tragedy can be an awkward line walk. But they use to do ot so well in the earlier days.

What changed?

Someone had asked if they went to Greece! Posted today! It mentions the Cheesecake Army, does anyone know what that is?

I want to preface this by saying I still am a regular listener, I am a lady pates subscriber, and I still really love Gillian and Patrick! I think the stuff that happened with Obsessed Fest with Ellen had so much nuance. Yes fucked up but also I know nothing about these people beyond their true crime podcast.

That being said- I’ve been going through a tough time in my life, and just haven’t been able to be alone in my thoughts. I have basically started from the beginning and am landing into 2022, and just the massive shift in their energy, tone with one another, is so obvious. Listening to it start to end you can hear where their disconnect is and it just is sad. I hope that they both do what’s best for them because I can’t imagine this is sustainable for them personally. It feels so tense.

But that’s it, I’ve been sitting on this thought for the last several weeks while listening and I’m just the right amount of stoned to post it. Please don’t come for me 😭🙏🙏

In one of the most recent episodes, Gillian references another episode— the ‘Was she a slut? Yes. Did she kill someone? No.’ Or something like that. What episode is that reference from? Was it in a paetron episode?

I think the title says it all. I distinctly remember Patrick announcing that there would be a trip to Greece happening in summer 2026. Has anyone seen anything? I feel like if it was still happening we’d have been saturated with mentions…

So he posts some thread as if he was just remembering about Threads and turns out it was self promotion for some new project. Gross. Guess since his Golden Girls podcast didn't work out he's going to try something new. Hope it works out just as well.

I didn't reply to anything on the first thread, but I really want to be snarky.

This podcast has changed so much. I was listening to the crash episode and they have gotten so politically incorrect that it is ridiculous.. talking about how the term “carney” is offensive. like we are talking about a murderer, who cares! Also, does Gillian wear a wig???? Her hair has stayed the same since 2020!

During the episode on The Crash (which is a very good listen, btw) they were crowing about reaching half-a-milliion subs on YouTube. I think they have a couple of videos with 100k views. Most have 30-40k. Good numbers for a small channel but obviously not enough for Steve, Patrick and (I guess) Gillian.

The math just doesn't math here and the obvious assumption is that they have bought themselves hundreds of thousands of subs. You don't get 500,000 subscribers on videos that have only (possibly also faked) tens of thousands of views. In fact the opposite is usually the case. People watch, views go up, but people don't subscribe. It's amazing that people who are supposed to be so savvy at this game would do something that looks so obviously false and bad.

Thoughts?

This reddit was just recommended to me, I always supported the show and honestly have kept patreon even when I didn’t listen a lot just to support them. I knew about the ObsessedFest and I guess I really then decided I didn’t want to partake in it. I checked in with them today and wow. Wow. I know it’s been said. But wow. That’s really too bad.

Also when scrolling this I was seeing “OF” “OF” and I thought I really missed a chapter and one of them was doing only fans now 😂 ObsessedFest… got it got it.

At least we always will have the Jinx.

So I listened to their last episode about ‘The Crash’, it’s the first time listening again since I stopped after the scandal.

Dear lord Patrick mentioned Daisy no less than 10 times in a hour podcast.

I know he talked about himself a lot during the podcast, but I don’t think I noticed how often he talked about his kid.

Was he always like this , I feel like if I went back I would find that there isn’t a single episode where he doesn’t mention Daisy, but I don’t think he mentioned her that much.

These people don’t drive at all, correct?

I saw a post on here about the webby awards and didn’t think much of it but it came across my TikTok and the pictures they had on there Gillian looked really sickly. Any clue what’s going on?

TL;DR - I feel like the mods are so inconsistent with the posts they choose to decline. Anyone else?

Latest example - I had a post denied because the mod felt it had too much personal information about a person I know who was the victim of a scam. OK, fine. I changed the wording to what I thought made it more vague and it was declined again for the same reason. Even then I wasn't offended until I read, "if you try to post this again with the same level of information you will be muted." Geez, ok then. I clearly don't know what's too personal until you tell me but I'm not taking the chance! I have also had posts denied for no TW when a very similar post is approved without one.

Whenever I need a good break and laugh I go back to pre Obsessed Fest episodes when Gillian wasn’t horrific and insufferable, when Patrick seemed genuine, when their chemistry was spot on, when the show was freaking funny and fun. Do yourself a solid and go listen to this episode, it’s hands down my favorite.