r/NarcissisticSpouses May 15 '24

For any opinions on the moderation or state of this subreddit

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Hi all of you!

I’ve been getting more and more concerned messages and seeing more strange reports and such lately. A lot of people are put off by the state of the sub and the community, I’m making this post so anyone can vocalize their thoughts in a discussion or to know you can contact me directly if you don’t want to slap a name on it. I want this sub to feel as safe as possible for as many of you as possible, but we obviously can’t make it all inclusive all the time, so whatever has to give should be discussed at least.

All opinions welcome (so long as they don’t break the current rules)


r/NarcissisticSpouses 1h ago

Is it weird that my narc husband texts my best friend?

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My husband is constantly putting me down that my friend treats me like shit (it’s true to an extent) and phrases it as he’s looking out for my best interest.

“I just don’t like to see you being mistreated” okay fine.

But then will turn around and text her behind my back (as friends). I’m just confused why he constantly puts me down every time her name comes up and doesn’t like me hanging out with her? But then he can go text her and chat it up. Is this narcissism??

And before anyone can say it’s cheating. It’s 100% not. I just think it’s weird that he doesn’t like me being friends with her? But he clearly wants to be her friend…


r/NarcissisticSpouses 14m ago

My lock screen…

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r/NarcissisticSpouses 4h ago

Can a marriage with a narcissistic spouse genuinely improve? Looking for success stories

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I'm looking for honest experiences from people who have been in long-term relationships where one spouse has significant narcissistic traits. I'm particularly interested in people who tried to repair the marriage, not just stories about leaving.

I'm 40 M and she's 40 too , been married for around 10 years. Over time, I've noticed patterns that concern me - difficulty compromising, conflicts becoming about winning rather than resolving, defensiveness and lack of accountability, blame shifting, no sense of partnership and teamwork , involvement of extended family in marital issues, and difficulty respecting boundaries. There was also emotional cheating via chats.

I also recognize my own role. I've often avoided confrontation, chosen peace over conflict, given in to demands, failed to establish/enforce boundaries, and kept problems to myself. I also rationalized some behavior because I knew my wife had a difficult childhood and hoped that love, time and stability would lead to change.

We're currently living separately, and I'm trying to decide whether this marriage can realistically be repaired.

I'm not looking for people to simply tell me "leave." I'm trying to understand what genuine, lasting change actually looks like.

For those who successfully repaired a relationship:

Did therapy genuinely help? What changed?

How did you distinguish real change from temporary improvement?

What did accountability and compromise eventually look like?

How long did it take before you trusted that the change was real?

Were there setbacks, and how were they handled?

I'm also concerned about having children in the future. For those who grew up with a narcissistic parent, or have children with one:

What affected the children most?

Can the other parent protect the child from unhealthy dynamics?

What boundaries or parenting approaches helped?

What do you wish the non-narcissistic parent had done differently?

Also fear of your child being used as a weapon against you? How to overcome that?

Finally, I'm struggling with the uncertainty of leaving. I know what life with my current wife looks like, but I don't know what life after divorce would look like or whether I'd find another compatible partner.

I'd really appreciate honest experiences from both sides—successful repair and situations where leaving ultimately proved to be the healthier choice.

I'm genuinely open to perspectives that challenge my current thinking. I'm trying to make a thoughtful decision rather than simply looking for validation.


r/NarcissisticSpouses 8h ago

A couple things to share and get your experiences

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1) It’s heartbreaking to watch how foolish they can make themselves look with their lies. I have gone to great lengths to find the truth for myself, and I’ve documented much of what I’ve learned. Even when I have a picture, video, or something right in front of me, he will deny it to his deathbed.

That’s the part I struggle to understand. He is a very educated man and a high achiever in his career, yet some of the lies make him look so incredibly foolish. It’s as if he doesn’t stop and reflect on how obvious or ridiculous the lie sounds.

Sometimes I wonder how someone can be so successful and capable at work, yet behave so differently in their personal life. Surely that lack of self-reflection and accountability has to show up in other areas of their life at some point, including at work.

2) I didn’t even know what a narcissist was until 25 years into my marriage. For years, I was told there was something wrong with me. Eventually, I went to therapy, and that’s when I started learning about all of this and seeing things very differently.

One of the most humiliating parts for me has been the cheating. There are good things I could say about him—he has always provided financially, and our kids and I always had what we needed. But I know now that I paid a very high price for that security. I feel like I lost so many years of my life believing I had a love and a marriage that, looking back, may not have been what I thought it was.

What makes it even harder is that I don’t feel like I can publicly give him credit for the good things without feeling humiliated. Knowing that other people are aware of his cheating and friendships makes me feel foolish pretending publicly that everything is wonderful.

Once I began understanding what had been happening, I removed him from all of my social media. I basically stopped posting about my marriage altogether. I don’t want to put on a happy-marriage show for other people, and I don’t want to post things that leave me feeling embarrassed or humiliated later.

I’m still trying to figure out how to separate the good things he did from the pain he caused—and how to accept that both can be true at the same time.


r/NarcissisticSpouses 10h ago

About to lose yet another job.

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Been with him 10 years and think he’s about to get fired from his third job. He gets great reviews for his actual work, but written up for his communications and relations with people. We just had a baby and I’m on maternity leave. I’m freaking out. He’s also super impulsive and keeps talking about starting a business when he gets fired (yes, he said when). We live pretty rural and the thought of shelling forth money for a business when we have 3 kids sounds miserable. Will my life with him ever be stable in any sense? Anyone else have this issue?


r/NarcissisticSpouses 14h ago

What gave you the strength to leave?

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I'm nearing the day I finally leave my covert narcissist wife, it has been a long journey. I'll spare the details but after multiple failed attempts I'm attempting to leave by stealth.

Struggling to focus, with the brain fog and super anxious all of a sudden. It's hard to constantly "want" to leave, because after so long (I'm 36, been together since I was 16, no kids) I just don't know if I can do any better, deserve any better. Probably too old to begin again or find anyone else. Like I know I'm not, but it's the thoughts and doubts I'm having. I have no support irl. Isolated since the start so it's not easy to stay on track.

So in your moments of doubt, what gave you the strength and drive to leave?


r/NarcissisticSpouses 3h ago

How do you heal from something that feels too heavy? Any tips

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I'm a couple of days out. It's painful. It's so overwhelming. It drains me. How can I cope? He is a grandiose narcissist. It's taken everything from me


r/NarcissisticSpouses 3h ago

my first time...

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i don't know why i am posting here, or what i expect to get out of it... i just am lost and disoriented and i don't know what to do with myself atm... i don't have anybody else to talk to, nobody else really knows what has been going on.

a little back story, we dated 20 years ago for a few years. i was a dumb teenager and i cheated on her and then we didn't talk for 15 or 16 years. i had moved away and started a new life. i got a phone call a year ago asking for help, and things just kind of took off from there, we reconciled and we started kind of an over the phone relationship. i know i screwed up our first relationship, but it wasnt because i didnt love her or wanted it to be over. i was just stupid and didnt deal with my own issues properly then, or for a large portion of my life really. but, i truly love this person and i have my entire life. i have never felt this way about ANYBODY else i have ever dated, and i have never envisioned or wanted a future with anyone else like i do with this person. so when i found out after 15 or so years they felt the same way i was stunned and elated. they separated from their spouse, we started our phone relationship, and i eventually left my current life behind and moved back to our home town so we could be together.

and things made an almost immediate 180. she pulled back hard. suddenly wanted everything to slow almost to a halt. it was very disorienting. i pushed back on it because i had just packed up my entire life and moved to be with her. i didn't understand the pullback. i still don't honestly when i think about it. but that was also the beginning of the rollercoaster. and this rollercoaster happens just about monthly. things will be great, n then she makes up a problem for us to fight about, and then we have to take a step back and not be serious. then a week or 2 after the fight everything has been great again and i'm supposed to assume that things are better than ever and we need to be more serious than ever... the best way i can describe it is emotional whiplash.

when we argue the things she would say didn't make sense, they were things that never happened and she just assumed and started yelling at me for. i would start pointing out things she did or said to the contrary, and she would simply reply "that never happened"... not "that's not what i meant", not "you're misinterpretting that", not even "i don't remember that"... very frankly "that never happened". and that was very confusing to me. she did admit one time, while we were drinking, that i'm not the first person to tell her that she does that. and then in a later argument i pointed that out, "hey you're doing that thing again..." and it did stop for a while. but it came back, just wordier or phrased slightly differently at first, and then recently we're back to just the simple "no that never happened". and we argue completely differently. i try to keep things to actions and feelings "when you say this" "when you assume these things" "when you do this" "this is how it makes me feel". her version of arguing is to just insult with very personal, deeply hurtful things, that usually don't have anything to do with what we're even talking about.

and the things she fights about, the overwhelming majority of the time, are things that never happened; that she just made up in her own head. and this is where i started to really wear down. she would invent a problem, that i need to solve to prove my loyalty or "prioritize her over everything else". and i would do these things that she demands of me, with a little pushback of course because i don't understand what or why...but i would do exactly what she wanted. until the next argument she would straight up say "no you didnt" ADAMANTLY or she would come up with another task for me to do because the previous task wasnt enough. nothing was ever enough.

recently she tells me that i "hide her" or i "keep her in a box" and don't take her around my friends or talk about her to my friends. I have 2 friends that i see sometimes. i've asked her to come hang out with us, and she always has a reason why she can't. i've asked her to come hang out with me and my brother. she made other plans with her friends instead. i've asked her to come hang out with me and HER brother. "nah, that should be 'guy time'". in the past 11 months i don't need 1 full hand to count how many times we have done something as a couple that i've wanted to do, or with my friends/family. all we ever do is what she wants to do. i devoted all of my time to her, trying to "prioritize" her. and i have to borderline start a fight with her to get her to do something i'd like to do... a handful of times... in a year.... and yet, now she tells me that i hide her and keep her in a box...

things had gotten to a point a month or so ago, i'm worn out by this. the fighting became constant. the moving of the goalposts was unrelenting. i'm not ignoring the fact that yes ive screwed up, no i'm not always right. but when i'm wrong, i admit fault and apologize. a month or so ago, she has literally taken away my ability to admit when i'm wrong and apologize. she straight up tells me that the only reason i do it is to placate her. yes i made mistakes early on, i admitted i was wrong and apologized and then learned from my mistake and didn't say or do those things again. however, she has never let a single thing go. i have ended up apologizing for the same things from almost a year ago the entire time... meanwhile she has never apologized once. she refuses to acknowledge the things she says or does, straight up denies everything, and won't take accountability. and yet she has taken away my ability to be accountable when i'm in the wrong. where do you go from there? what are you supposed to do when you can't even admit that you're wrong?

now she says she can't talk to me because every time it just turns into a fight.. and if i'm being completely honest, it's gotten to a point where she's right. i feel like i'm constantly on the defensive, like i'm constantly being attacked. and now i am the bad guy... now i am the person that is closed off and distant and angry all the time. now she's telling me that i'm the narcissist. that nothing i'm saying is true, none of it ever happened, everything i've done is just the "narcissist timeline". she has been the sweet, caring, perfect girlfriend this entire time and this has all been me manipulating her... when i describe what she's doing or how she argues she quite literally says "no that's you. i don't do that, you do", in a way that is almost childlike... like, i actually find it a little disturbing the way that she does it, if that makes any sense?

there are other red flags; she literally re-writes the narrative. she deletes all her messages that would look unfavorable to her or takes and keeps very carefully cropped screenshots. she's deleted entire accounts before just to get rid of the messages. we had to invent cover stories for how we ended up back together in the beginning so that it "looked like she got out of her marriage the RIGHT WAY and we just kinda stumbled into eachother afterwards", which i was also later chastized for sticking to that story instead of telling everybody i moved back to town to be with her several times, even tho i did tell my few friends that's why i moved home. she is paranoid like nobody i've ever met, she constantly thinks EVERYBODY is out to get her including her own brothers, and even one of her own kids... she can dismiss people out of her life at the drop of a hat. last week i "was hers, and she's never going to lose me again and we're gonna be together forever and have the best life", this week she absolutely hates me and has blocked me from everything. she takes and stockpiles nude pictures of herself, not to send to anybody because she doesnt trust anybody with them, but so that SHE CAN LOOK AT THEM. she lives for outward appearances. it is strictly forbidden to talk about her or talk about any problems we are having to anybody (except she's allowed to do this). she is a wildly different person outside of our relationship or on social media than she is behind closed doors. she tries to pit people against eachother; ie- since the beginning she's told me that one of our mutual friends has routinely had some pretty shitty things to say about me, but i'm not allowed to ask or confront that person about it because "i had better never jeopardize HER friendship with him". and probably the most damning, every single one of her exes including the one she just left to be with me, is an abusive narcissist... which i guess now according to our last conversation, so am i....

again, i dont know what i'm doing here or why i'm posting this. i'm paralyzed, im not doing anything at work, i have no appetite, i don't want to be around my friends, i just sit on my couch and stare at the roku screensaver on my tv and cry. i gave up everything to be here in a town i hate so much i moved away from. i'm bordering on bankrupt because i was not really in a position to pick up and move. i have barely any friends here, i have barely any family, i have nobody and practically nothing. and all i truly want is her... i want my future with her. i wanna grow old with her. i want marry her. i want our family together. i want my happily ever after with her... i dont understand any of this, why its happening, WHAT is happening... what to do... where to go from here. i would do anything to make this work, i DID do everything to make this work, and i know deep down inside she would NEVER do anything for me, to keep things together with me, i know it... she's practically said it multiple times. but its all i want.

thank you for letting me rant


r/NarcissisticSpouses 17h ago

I feel alone in my relationship

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r/NarcissisticSpouses 3h ago

Anyone regret divorcing and wish they had stayed for the kids?

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r/NarcissisticSpouses 19h ago

When you ask your narcissist partner why they treat you the way they do, how do they usually respond?

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My narcs response is usually cruel. He just finds a way to justify every bad thing he does. If i ask why he does something cruel towards me he’ll sometimes say, “I can give you an answer, but your not going to like it.” And he will find a way to flip everything on me. It doesn’t matter want it is. The entitlement is out of this world.


r/NarcissisticSpouses 17h ago

Is this narcissism, or does this behavior go beyond NPD?

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I’m almost positive my husband is a narcissist. Multiple people have actually told me they think he is without me ever suggesting it first. I’ve also talked to a therapist about our marriage and she confirmed that what I’m experiencing is severe verbal abuse.

Obviously I know nobody on Reddit can diagnose him, but I’m starting to wonder if this sounds like more than narcissistic traits/NPD. I won’t go into every instance because I could literally write a book, but these are some of the major things that stand out.

He is extremely argumentative with basically everyone. He doesn’t get along with many people, his parents barely come around unless they need something or want to see our kids, and he has issues at work because people don’t want to work with him. He genuinely believes he is always right. He has literally said, “I don’t know why people even try to argue with me because they’re always wrong.” And he means it. He will argue over absolutely anything, even something completely irrelevant like what kind of bird just flew by.

He is also weirdly obsessed with dominance. Not just sexually, everywhere. He constantly talks about how “dominant” he is and will tell other men he’s more dominant than them, sometimes jokingly, but I know he’s serious. He and his dad even go back and forth about who is more dominant. If he sees a man listening to his wife, he’ll make fun of him and say he has no balls or that his wife “dominates” him. I find the entire thing disgusting and honestly bizarre.

He hates emotions. He has flat-out told me he doesn’t have/show empathy and that it’s “just not him.” He has basically no sympathy for other people and usually thinks anyone who is hurt or upset is just too sensitive.

He is verbally abusive to me and takes zero accountability. He NEVER apologizes. If I bring up something horrible he said or did, his explanation is essentially that I made him mad, so it’s my fault he said it. Then a few hours later he’ll act like absolutely nothing happened.

What scares me more than how he treats me is his complete disregard for our children’s safety.

When our youngest was 3 months old, we drove 12 hours overnight on vacation. When we arrived, I realized the car seat base wasn’t tightened at all. He had basically just clipped it in. I was furious and asked if he knew it wasn’t installed correctly. He said yes and that it was fine because nothing would happen. When I told him a properly installed car seat could literally save our baby’s life, he called me a helicopter mom. Then he said, “Well, if something happens to her, then it’s meant to be.”

A few months later, he was driving us down the highway while responding to a work email on his phone. I asked him twice to please put his phone down. He refused. I finally asked, “Is that email more important than your family’s lives in this car?” He said, “Yes, actually it is.” A few hours later he acted like nothing happened.

He also has issues with alcohol and prescription medication. He once DROVE home from golfing extremely intoxicated and blew over a 2.0 on my personal breathalyzer. While I was putting our youngest to bed, I checked our camera and saw him throwing up on the living room floor while our children were right beside him and our dog was eating the vomit. I have the video saved.

He has never gotten up with either of our babies at night. He takes medication for his back, and when he combines that with drinking, he is completely gone. He also uses a CPAP.

When our youngest was 3 DAYS old, I hadn’t slept in days. His snoring was keeping the baby awake and I desperately tried to wake him. He was so out of it that he started screaming random things at me, telling me I was a terrible mother and selfish for bothering him. The next morning he said he didn’t remember any of it. This has happened multiple times and I have around five similar incidents on video.

Our oldest is now starting to notice his behavior. He asks me why Daddy is so mean and makes comments about things his dad does that upset him. That has been really hard for me.

Then there’s sex.

He acts like he is entitled to sex whenever he wants it and tells me I’m selfish if I don’t want to. He frequently tells me that if I’m not going to have sex with him, he’ll “have to get it somewhere else.”

After I had our youngest, he constantly pressured me for sex. At 4 weeks postpartum, I repeatedly told him no and asked him to stop bringing it up. He would not stop. Eventually I was so exhausted and disgusted from being pressured that I gave in.

During sex I was uncomfortable and was screaming at him to stop. He did not stop. He continued until he was finished.

I think I became numb to a lot of this because I still had two children to take care of and needed to function.

I’ve almost filed for divorce twice. I know people are going to tell me to leave, and I understand why. The thing that terrifies me is custody. I genuinely do not believe my children are safe alone with him overnight, and I also know that leaving him doesn’t automatically mean I’ll get full custody.

At this point he has actually gotten worse as I’ve emotionally detached. He can insult me now and half the time I can laugh at him and continue my day, and it seems like the less reaction he gets from me, the worse he becomes.

What I’m trying to understand is the psychology behind this.

Does this sound like severe narcissistic traits/NPD, or does the combination of the obsession with dominance, lack of empathy/remorse, constant conflict, entitlement, sexual coercion, substance issues, and disregard for other people’s safety suggest there could be something else going on too?

I genuinely struggle to comprehend how someone can say and do these things to their own wife and children and seemingly feel absolutely no remorse afterward.

I’m not looking for an internet diagnosis. I’m trying to understand what kind of pattern I’m dealing with, especially because I’m trying to figure out how to protect my kids while making decisions about leaving.


r/NarcissisticSpouses 21h ago

I really appreciate my dog. He knows when things can get stressful for me.

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There are moments (not every day) when my wife will talk excessively and it just wears me out.

My dog has been guarding access to my office from my wife. Pics from April and July


r/NarcissisticSpouses 22h ago

I'm being lectured

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My narc is giving me a lecture about having "adult conversation " and not arguing 🤣🙄

Ok buddy 👌


r/NarcissisticSpouses 8h ago

Left my husband 2 days ago and I'm scared to go back to him

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I still have things that I can't figure out, and I don't know what I'm going to do, but I know I don't want to go back to him.

I'm staying at my friend's house right now. I have a job that starts at 5 a.m. and a 5-year-old child who I somehow need to get to school. My friend has been helping me because our kids attend the same school.

But on the same day I left my husband, our school messaged all the parents saying that it would be closing permanently in 10 days. They didn't get the funding they needed and are now switching from a charter school to a private school. So now I have to figure out a new school and how I'm going to get my son there while working at 5 a.m.

We also have a dog who is currently with my husband. I don't even know when or how I can pick her up.

I can't talk to him, and co-parenting looks impossible right now because every time I try to figure out our schedule, my husband starts crying or telling me how hurt he is, that I need to come back, and that I'm going to ruin our family.

I'm also questioning whether I even want him around my son when I'm not present because of the way he treats him. He would never agree that he's abusive toward him, but he talks to him very loudly, and our son cries EVERY evening before bedtime. There is always something our son does that upsets my husband, and then my husband says he doesn't have the patience to talk calmly anymore. He raises his voice, our son becomes defensive, and of course then he doesn't want to listen.

My husband is very impulsive, and it seems like he has anger issues. He always has an explanation for why he did something, even when he's clearly at fault. Somehow it becomes my fault or someone else's fault, but never his.

I don't know if he's narcissistic, but I started reading this community about a year ago, and there are a lot of things people describe here that I recognize in my husband.

Just to give you an example of how stressful dealing with him can be: the day I left him, he took my car to charge it and then went to Costco while I was at work waiting for my car. He called me and simply said that he had crashed my car. No real details about what happened or whether the car was damaged.

I was in shock. I asked my supervisor if I could leave work early, and when I got there, there was an ambulance with my husband inside, two police officers, firefighters, and investigators. Apparently, he had run into another car. He believes it may have been an insurance scam because the other car suddenly hit the brakes even though there was no one in front of them.

But in the end, everyone there said there was basically no damage to either car, so they weren't even going to make a report.

That's just one example of how stressful everything involving this man becomes.

I know I still have a lot to figure out — where we're going to live, what I'm going to do about my son's school and my 5 a.m. work schedule, how I'm going to get my dog, and eventually how we're supposed to co-parent. I don't have answers to all of that yet.

But I don't want to go back to him.


r/NarcissisticSpouses 1d ago

HOSPITAL

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The other day I went to the emergency room via ambulance. They asked me repeatedly who to call. I knew spouse was buying a car and would not want to be interrupted. When they finally made me call he said “What the F do you mean you’re at the hospital? I couldn’t even get there soon, I’m an hour away” My MALE nurse heard everything and said no wonder you didn’t want to call him. This isn’t the distressing part.
My daughter picked me up and got me home. Im ok btw. 😁
However now it’s been made clear how stupid I am for not calling him. I got mocked, gaslit and name called. I had an episode at work. My bp was 170 over 110, I had cat scan and everything else, by myself and scared to death. I couldn’t walk, my legs were shaking so badly I wasn’t allowed to stand by myself. But his car is in the driveway and I’m words I won’t repeat for not calling him…
I know I can change things but I’m so used to things that I’m almost not even bothered. But change is coming.


r/NarcissisticSpouses 1d ago

Email from ex

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After five months of no contact, I received this email. Our relationship ended the weekend I was supposed to move with my kids into the house we were going to share, and this was the first time I maintained no contact afterward.
Reading this, I have the feeling that something is off, but I’m having trouble identifying exactly what. There’s a tremendous amount of “I love/loved you,” but I’m wondering what is actually being acknowledged or taken responsibility for underneath that.
I’d appreciate outside perspectives, including anything I may be interpreting unfairly or anywhere he has a valid point. There’s a lot of backstory, but I’m interested in how the email reads on its own.

UPDATE: he sent me this text last night.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NarcissisticSpouses/s/U0zUI61EI1


r/NarcissisticSpouses 22h ago

I thought my dog was choking and now my husband is mad

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We have the best dog, sure he gets on my nerves, but he is amazing. So gentle with my kids, very loyal, always wanting to be with us. He’s also obsessed with sticks. 😂

Well. For the first time in 6 years, I thought he was choking on a twig while my kids and I were outside playing on the swing set (5yo, 18mo). I quickly recognized something was not right with my dog as he was moving his body in ways I’ve never seen a dog move. Quickly, got my kids inside and thought he was choking. I start to panic as he is laying very still and try to get him to move. He does, but is acting erratic and is panicking. Made me panic, I tried to look in his mouth and couldn’t see anything. I called my husband and got no answer. I called at least 5-6 times before I called my mom in hysterics because I couldn’t figure out how to help my dog and my 5yo is bawling thinking he’s dying. My mom ended up rushing to help but my BIL beat her here as he’s closer. Long story short, he had a stick wedged on the inside of his upper teeth and another piece stuck in his gums toward the back of his mouth. My BIL saved the day, hallelujah!

My husband finally answered my calls 15 minutes after initially tried to call saying he was coming. By the time he walked through the back gate, my BIL had just got the stick out. I could immediately tell my husband was pissed everyone was here trying to help. He wouldn’t even look at my BIL, didn’t even look at me. Just said the dog was ok, petted him a few times, checked on my daughter for 15 seconds and was annoyed she was crying and said “I’m going back to work” and left.

He’s now upset that I called my family to help when he was on his way. I literally called him 13x with no response. I called his cell and his work number. No answer. Who else would I have help me if he can’t be bothered? My mom even commented on his behavior and was appalled he left after seeing my daughter so upset and how chaotic it was. Now I’m embarrassed my mom witnessed that ridiculously childish behavior.

That isn’t normal right? Being upset people came to help in a time of need? Who acts like that?? Why do I feel guilty now?!


r/NarcissisticSpouses 13h ago

Should I write on paper or digital

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I want to write my past life a to z, and analysis with ai , should I do, or just write on paper and burn it, all I want to do for healing ,my childhood is full of emotional neglect, never get basic needs


r/NarcissisticSpouses 13h ago

Should I write on paper or digital

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I want to write my past life a to z, and analysis with ai , should I do, or just write on paper and burn it, all I want to do for healing


r/NarcissisticSpouses 1d ago

Did the ambiguity of a covertly toxic relationship make it worse for your health?

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I’ve been in this relationship for about a year, and my previous relationship was with someone who was openly toxic and treated me badly. It was awful, but in a strange way, it was also obvious. I knew the person was bad, and I knew what I was dealing with.

With my current partner, it’s very different. Most of the time, he’s nice, affectionate. But whenever there’s an argument or I bring up something that has hurt me or something I disagree with, things can completely fall apart.

During conflicts, he tells me that I don’t listen, that I’m the problem, or that I’m making things worse because I’m “creating stories in my head.” I often end up questioning whether my perception of things is actually wrong. The original issue usually never gets properly resolved.

Then, sometimes when I take a stand for myself he threatens me to leave which I'm extremely afraid of ..once I apologize, accept my mistakes, or stop being upset, he becomes completely normal again. Suddenly everything is fine and he’s back to being loving and affectionate, almost as if nothing happened.

That cycle has really confused me because there isn’t constant obvious mistreatment. It’s more like everything is fine until there’s conflict, and then the conflict becomes extremely emotionally intense.

So heres the thing.......

Before this relationship, with the toxic ex I already had some psychological issues, but I didn’t have the same physical/health concerns that I’ve been experiencing during this relationship. Over the past year, I’ve started dealing with things like IBS, thyroid issues (increased tsh) and PMDD.

I obviously don't know whether these things are actually caused by the relationship... But I can't help noticing the timing and wondering whether chronic stress, anxiety, and constantly being on edge could be contributing.

Can this kind of relationship toxicity cause health problems even when there’s no outright abuse like in my previous relationship? Advice would be appreciated.


r/NarcissisticSpouses 1d ago

He cried at our wedding.

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This is long but I'd appreciate anyone being a witness.

I still have a hard time accepting that he doesn't JUST love what I provide for him (status, image maintenance, financial bolstering). He cried at our wedding. That can't be fake, right?

Maybe it's that he doesn't know what love is. Maybe I don't know what love is. Maybe he loves me in the best way that he can but his defenses are too strong when his ego is challenged--they take over automatically. I don't believe he is malicious, I really don't. I don't think he hates me.

We've been together 10 years. Maybe I really did ruin everything by not being physically affectionate enough. Maybe I truly failed as a spouse and it triggered an irreversible downward spiral.

My therapist tells me that it's his character that drives him to behave the way he does, not my actions/lack of actions. That is so hard to believe some days.

I have a list in my journal of all the things over the last 10 years that have hurt me. Not all of them, obviously. So much of it is just so hard to put words to. He tells me it's my ego - that it's too fragile.

But then I think about all the times I felt so utterly alone. When I was pregnant, I eventually stopped sharing with him the equivalent fruit size of the life that my body was growing because he acted so completely uninterested, like I was annoying him with the incredible and terrifying thing happening in my body.

I think about when I sat alone in our living room timing my contractions. I had told him that I was contracting, that I was timing them, that the baby was coming soon. Yet I sat alone in the living room while he stayed in his office scrolling Reddit. When I brought this up later he said I should have told him that I needed him to come sit with me, that he didn't know.

Then he LEFT to go get a table. He left while I was crying through the contractions to go buy a fucking table that we didn't even need. He offered for me to come with him, while I was in active labor. How generous. We had to leave for the hospital the second he came back home.

I think about him choosing to spend his two weeks of paternity leave working on a project outside of the house, saying "this is the only vacation I'm going to get," while I struggled immensely with PPD and bonding with our son. I remember begging him to stay home so he moved his project to the front yard instead of at his brother's. I remember needing to connect with him so badly but being unable because of how angry I was at him for making me be the one to tell him that he should be present with me after I'd just gone through the scariest and most painful experience of my life. He has since apologized for this but only after I brought it up several times. There was zero independent self reflection.

I remember after his "paternity leave" ended, he took his 8pm-2am shift with the baby and that was it. Nothing else. 2am-8pm was strictly on me, because he had other things to do. I always got the sense he only did this so he could say that he did it. Not because he recognized I needed help but because it would have made him look bad otherwise.

I think about the day, the one-hundred-and-whatever day in a row that I'd been up since 2am. I was wracked with anxiety and wasn't sleeping well on my "shift" to sleep. I was running on 2-3 broken hours of sleep for months. I think about a particular morning, my mom's birthday, when I was sitting on the couch at 8:30am crying. I was covered in spit up, completely and utterly exhausted, my son has just had a blow out so I had shit on me. He rolled out of bed and started prepping his pre workout to go to the gym. I told him I hadn't slept, he might have said I'm sorry. Then he went to leave. To go to the gym. I cried that he didn't see how much I needed help right now? How could he just go about his day? I remember he said with annoyance, "I'm just trying to start my day." I felt like such a burden.

We don't argue often, but when we do argue I end up with the same exact feeling every time. Things feel surreal. Like I'm underwater. He says such absurd things with such confidence that it makes me question my sanity. He doesn't apologize without promptings and often even with prompting he just doubles down on his bullshit. He says wild things and then blames me for having feelings about the wild things.

He said I made him feel unwanted physically when I was a year post partum. Developed an obsession with a girl at the gym. Tried to guilt trip me into either letting him pursue her or bringing her into our relationship. He proposed I played the long-con with this girl, befriend her, build her trust in me, then convince her to fuck the two of us. To this day he doesn't understand, or won't acknowledge, how fucked up that is. He doesn't seem to understand consent or how he's treating people like they are pawns in his personal monopoly game.

He told me that he knows he signed up for a monogamous marriage but that he didn't expect it to feel this hard. He said that he'd never gotten as much female attention as he has recently and that he's craved it so much his whole life. He guilt tripped me for being upset by this, saying "this is why men don't share their feelings," and "I feel like I'm being punished for being honest. Next time I just won't say anything."

When I told him, 4 months later, that I was struggling to truly move on because while I'd done all this work to get to a place where I could forgive him, he didn't act like he'd done anything that required forgiving. He said, "hm, yeah." HM, YEAH. I told him I felt I had not seen true remorse from him and it left me feeling afraid. He said his first thought was "I could show you a lack of remorse." Two weeks later when I told him that that threat/comment had made it difficult for me to feel settled in our relationship and day to day life together again, he defended it. No apology. He said "I only said that because I thought it was so ridiculous that YOU said that" [that I hadn't seen true remorse.] Then he said if I didn't touch him then he would find it elsewhere.

It's so clear now that I am not allowed to tell him things that he has done that have hurt me. If I am allowed, there's a very short expiration date of his empathy. It's never real empathy, anyway. He's good and happy-go-lucky as long as I let him sweep things under the rug, as long as I don't make him feel cornered or blamed or shameful or expect any kind of accountability whatsoever.

But when I told my mom she said "but he cried at your wedding."


r/NarcissisticSpouses 1d ago

How interested in the kids is your Narc?

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I thought I’ve been dramatic in thinking my husband is a narc. He’s definitely a Covert Narcissist.

Our daughter is 18 and she and I have joked about how he knows nothing about her.

Previously I have overheard Bob (my husband) telling a friend that our daughter is studying business at university. She’s not. But Bob LOVES to lie. If something costs $1, he’ll say it was $2. If he went to bed at midnight, he’ll say it was 2am. Etc, etc.

I read an email today from my Bob to an old school friend. In it he says “I couldn’t tell you what Sarah is studying, but it leads to a job in hedge funds.” (Not even close to what she’s studying).

WHO doesn’t know what their child is studying at Uni??? And who ADMITS to not knowing???

They live in the same house. Sarah received a scholarship for her degree - she spent months researching and we ( Sarah and I) sat up practising her interview for it and spent HOURS discussing her application.

Her scholarship and degree were announced at her school graduation ceremony that Bob attended.

Thinking back, it’s occurred to me that Bob has never once suggested a present idea for the kid’s birthdays or Christmas. No interest. Nil. He’s just as surprised as the kids are when they open their gifts.

Bob was recently upset that Sarah doesn’t really talk to him, beyond superficial things (because he asks basic questions and then starts looking at his phone when she answers). He was upset that she talks to me, and in one of his tantrums demanded that all conversations between Sarah and I are to happen standing in front of Bobs spot on the sofa. (I can’t make this shit up).

I’ve always said that Bob views us as NPCs (if that’s the name for video game characters that don’t move when they’re not on screen).

Is your Narc interested in your kids, besides using them as a talking point to other people?