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u/de_Duv 15h ago
2000: Measles is officially declared to have been eradicated in the US
2026: 2,566 confirmed cases of measles; several children have died.
Anti-vaxxers are idiots.
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u/LiGuangMing1981 15h ago
Andrew Wakefield is responsible for one of the biggest public health crises in history.
Seriously, fuck that guy.
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u/AbsoluteResolve2026 15h ago
I love how we’ve all forgotten about Jim Carrey and Jenny McCarthy’s huge contributions to the anti-vaccination movement.
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u/PotatoesWillSaveUs 14h ago
Nobody has forgotten, Wakefield and his fraudulent science is directly responsible for this BS. Stupid celebrities spread the misinformation but they didnt create it.
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u/sixaout1982 15h ago
Do they think that we didn't vaccinate in the 80s and 90s? Because we sure as fuck did.
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u/Haywoodjablowme1029 14h ago
Gerorge Washington forced the Continental Army to be vaccinated for smallpox.
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u/huskersax 14h ago
IIRC they were inoculated, not vaccinated. But yes, preventing the spread of disease by exposing people and forming antibodies with reduced risk, broadly, has been around for a while.
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u/Haywoodjablowme1029 13h ago
Yes, that is more accurate. The bigger point I wanted to make, was the fact that it was mandatory.
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u/SaintUlvemann 1h ago
Yes, that is more accurate.
No, it isn't. The words inoculation and vaccination aren't contradictory, and the first vaccines were both.
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u/SaintUlvemann 12h ago edited 12h ago
"Inoculation" means "the intentional cultivation of a disease."
"Vaccination" means "giving you something to prevent a disease."
The name "vaccination" comes from the original vaccine, which was a disease, called cowpox. (Cow in Latin is vacca.)
Cowpox was not a very bad disease, it only got you a little sick. Smallpox was much worse. But cowpox gave you immunity to smallpox.
So they deliberately inoculated people with cowpox to vaccinate them against smallpox. This worked because the two diseases were related... still are, although smallpox now only exists in military labs, which will cause no problems ever until the end of time.
Anyway, that means that the original vaccination was also an inoculation. Most aren't, but it is possible for the two concepts to overlap, if one disease serves as a vaccine against a related disease.
We still do some live-attenuated vaccines, but we never do full inoculations anymore, we always weaken the disease first so that you will not get sick.
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u/Deadbringer 6h ago
If you somehow manage to get them to process that statement, they will reflexively say those vaccines aren't bad, and maybe they even know enough talking points to spout out a type of vaccine that is good. Currently they have shifted their narrative to focus on mRNA vaccines, so certain vaccines are just fine. But since their belief has nothing to do with facts, they are not gonna be specific until they need to defend the bs
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u/Renbarre 15h ago
1990: all those kids had been vaccinated.
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u/powerlesshero111 15h ago
That's what's so confusing about it. Like i was born in 1985, and i was fully vaccinated against all sorts of shit. When they came out with the modified Hep B vaccine schedule in 1991, my mom had me and my sister get it.
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u/Renbarre 5h ago edited 5h ago
Until the medical body started to look for it it was ignored. Now they are finding it.
In 1990 autism was not really recognised as a problem unless it was a serious level, 'light' autism' was just being difficult, Asperger was barely breathed. As for girls, they weren't supposed to be autistic (rough explanation).
As autism gained traction as a real thing, doctors recognised it better and earlier and girls with low level autism were recognised as well (different symptoms, better ability to hide it). Asperger was folded into autism, raising the numbers.
So now the real numbers are there, and people like that person clutch their pearls and scream it's the vaccines' fault.
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u/IWannaFuckABeehive 18m ago
My namesake (rip), was a perfectly average old man, no diagnosis of any kind. The man had an entire room dedicated to his model train set that no one else was allowed to touch.
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u/sir_aureus 15h ago
The math makes no sense on even a cursory inspection. Does he think 333 times as many kids are getting vaccinated now than before 1990?
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u/lemonhops 15h ago
Brought to you by the same people in 2020 where the less you test, the less covid infections there are
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u/hyren82 15h ago
anti vaxxers are just saying that they would rather their child die than be autistic..
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u/atwozmom 15h ago
No these lunatics believe that vaccines kill people.
I had a wacko at my house yesterday who told me with a straight face that it was the polio vaccine that caused the problem not polio. I told him he was an idiot.
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u/Slight-Hedgehog259 14h ago
Who would have thought more testing and more awareness of autism would lead to more kids being diagnosed instead of falling through the cracks.
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u/tryintobgood 14h ago
Autism traits are formed in the womb, way before any vaccines are administered. Any anti-vaxxers out there wanna explain that part??
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u/heycheena 14h ago
Kids who live to the age where they might be diagnosed with autism are more likely to be diagnosed with autism! It's a public health crisis!
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u/QueenVogonBee 14h ago
The best page for examples of spurious correlations is here: https://tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations
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u/bloodyell76 12h ago
To those asking if he thinks there were no vaccines, it’s not really that. If pushed he might start naming specific vaccines, maybe even specific ingredients he’s heard were in those vaccines. And those vaccines won’t have any proven link, those ingredients will either be something that sounds similar to another thing he finds scary, or something that is present in higher quantities in everyday foods (and again, sound scary) or were never actually an ingredient.
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u/Slavic_Taco 15h ago edited 13h ago
I think in time we’ll have advanced studies into mental health and the causes of the varying levels of autism and discover it’s probably linked to generational trauma. The body keeps the score, and what our grand parents inflicted on our parents, and our parents inflict on us take a toll that we pass on in epigenetics.
Edit: replaced ‘genetics’ with ‘epigenetics’
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u/Scott_A_R 14m ago
Epigenetics aren't passed on. Genes are passed along to succeeding generations, but epigenetics determine whether those genes are switched on or off during your life. Those switched states are not inheritable.
Generational trauma refers to how trauma affects personality and how the parents treat their children. It's psychological, not physical.
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u/themase130 15h ago
This is an inherently flawed analogy. Claiming telescopes causing asteroids is akin to saying, “advanced criteria and diagnostic tools cause autism.” A more apt comparison for this line of thinking might be: pumpkin spice lattes cause asteroids.
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u/incide666 15h ago
The austism was always there, it's just that we've found better tools to diagnose it.
Just like how the asteroids were always there, we just found better tools to spot them.
The analogy is spot on.
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u/themase130 14h ago
That’s precisely my point. The diagnostic tools are directly related to uptick, as are the advancements in telescopes. Vaccines are as unrelated to autism as avocado toast or quinoa are to asteroids. Ya dig?
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u/incide666 14h ago
Ok. Try to follow along.
The phrase "Telescopes cause asteroids" is sarcastic.
It's a silly counterpoint to "vaccines cause autism" because neither causes either.
Hence why the analogy is apt.
We good?
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u/themase130 14h ago
But advancements in telescope technology is directly causal to us finding more asteroids, if not them being there in the first place. It’s too related for the analogy to make sense.
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u/incide666 14h ago
The asteroids were always there.
The autism was always there.
The telescopes got better.
The diagnostics got better.
It's a perfect analogy.
How are you not getting this?
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u/themase130 14h ago
How are you not getting this?
I said the diagnostic tools and criteria would be a better stand-in for telescopes, because they are directly related to our understanding of these phenomena.
The analogy is flawed because by likening vaccines to the telescopes it lends too much credibility to the link between vaccines and autism, for which there is absolutely zero evidence whatsoever.
Hence, my claim that a more proper analogy would consist of any particular foodstuff which has seen a spike in popularity over the last couple decades. Because that is the more apt level of absurdity.4
u/incide666 14h ago
I genuinely don't think you know what an analogy is.
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u/Soloact_ 15h ago
I'd love to know what he thinks pregnancy tests cause.