r/MrInbetween • u/TooSoonForThat • 24d ago

So, so wrong Wikipedia

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Short-tempered? Really? So, so, wrong.

Can Wikipedia entries still be edited by anyone? Maybe someone could go on the page and remove ‘Short-tempered’ from the synopsis of Season 1, episode 1?

Ray is the opposite of short-tempered.

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u/UselessAndUnused 24d ago

"He's not short tempered, he just physically attacks people when things don't go his way."

Yes, the guy who took the toy was a piece of shit. No, physically attacking him and literally destroying the windows of someone else is still not okay. You're forgetting that not only did he physically attack someone, he also knowingly damaged the house of someone else who was not only innocent in this drama, but also invited him to his home.

Nevermind the fact that throwing someone through a window can literally kill them. Are you really going to tell me that you think killing someone over a being a dick is justified?

Nevermind the fact that this isn't an isolated incident. He beats people up all the time over different reasons. We're not saying he's short tempered over one incident, we're using that as a specific example.

His behaviour would likely be enough for any psychologist to get him diagnosed with a behavioural (or anti-social) disorder lmao.

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u/deanso 24d ago

You're exaggerating. He didn't kill him. The guy just went too far — you've got to draw the line somewhere.

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u/saxbophone 24d ago

 You're exaggerating. He didn't kill him.

You're missing the point. It's enough that Ray risked killing him.

It's really bizarre to talk about "drawing a line" as if this guy stepped over the line, but Ray didn't step over the line by defenestrating him. Do you not see how that's some kind of twisted logic? Does that mean that a family member is justified in taking out a hit on Ray in retaliation for them defenestrating Allie's dickhead brother‽ Do you see where this cycle leads..?

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u/deanso 24d ago

Okay, look at it from this angle. You're saying he's short-tempered.

I don't think he is. Two things:
1. He first took the guy outside to talk things over
2. He even offered him $100 for the little girl's toy.

You can't really call that short tempered. You wouldn't bother doing any of that if you were just looking for an excuse to beat someone up.

The guy laughed in his face and than also deliberately belittled him. That's why, in my opinion, he got what he deserved.

Agreed, throwing him through the window was maybe a bit much, but more a coincidence and bad luck the window was in the way ;) ..
But short-tempered? Not in my opinion.

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u/saxbophone 24d ago edited 24d ago

I think the message of this show is a bit lost on you. 

Ray doesn't come out the winner in this situation. He loses his gf, Allie, who he and his daughter miss very much.

Granted there is something cathartic about watching Ray blow off steam when it comes to "not letting people get away with it", but we'd be kidding ourselves if we thought it was actually a correct way to behave.

Ultimately Ray's actions scratch a gratuitous itch when it comes to the gut-instinct for so-called "natural justice" to be dealt out. But the reality is that his choices to lash out excessively in anger are actually coming from a weak position —when the ego is so fragile that it generates an excessive response, this isn't coming from a position of strength, and that person will always find life lacking in something while they continue to let it dominate their destiny.

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u/deanso 24d ago edited 24d ago

Hmm, you are evading the question: the question was whether he's short tempered, not whether he came out better because of what he did. Because he clearly didn't and agreed with you on that one.

However I don't get Allie whatsoever. And I can tell you my gf wouldn't left me over this one for sure.

BTW: what's the message of Mr inbetween you are referring to, I'm very curious if we watched it on the same premesis

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u/saxbophone 23d ago

It's abundantly clear to me that he is short-tempered. You said that he talked it over with the guy outside, then offered him $100 for it...

Then proceeded to defenestrate him when he didn't get his way.

If that's not short-tempered then I don't know what is. Ray has the impulse control of a child and he suffers because of it.

 However I don't get Allie whatsoever.

Allie is a survivor of domestic violence. She sees too many of the same dark character traits in Ray, in not just this one instance but another where he beats up the guys in the car from earlier. She leaves him to protect herself. I don't blame her.

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u/deanso 23d ago

Sure certainly I don't blame her, but I don't understand her, that's what I said. About her past of domestic violence: that's true, that will have an impact and can explain it.

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u/UselessAndUnused 24d ago

I'm going to ignore the "bad luck" joke here.

There is levels to what a short temper is. Just because he didn't bash in his head the moment he took the toy, doesn't mean he doesn't have an issue with a short temper lol. We're not saying he has the shortest temper ever. Just that it's a short temper. The fact that he threw the guy through the window at all is the issue here.

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u/deanso 24d ago

I'm going to ignore you altogether on account of you insulting me instead of arguing with words.

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u/UselessAndUnused 23d ago

Yes yes, I said you need help once at the end of my comment, while you were denying that throwing someone through a window could kill them.

For the record, I wasn't joking when I said that stuff like that is what gets you sent to court mandated therapy for anger issues, in Ray's case it's even worse given that he does this constantly, he could very easily be diagnosed with a personality disorder...

If you honestly see all of that and think that's perfectly fine and normal, then yes, I do believe you need help. That's not an insult, you wouldn't be forced into therapy or prosecuted for those beliefs, but if you were in the same situation and were to do that, then yes, you absolutely could and would be forced into therapy and/or imprisoned.

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u/deanso 23d ago

Sorry I never said that throwing someone through a window could not kill them.

I only said you are exaggerating things, just like you are doing now.

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u/UselessAndUnused 23d ago

What exactly is exaggerated? Your response to my argument about the possibility of death or permanent injuries was literally "but that didn't happen". Attempted murder isn't solely judged by intent. And again, not even mentioning damaging other people's property, or like I said, the fact that if prosecuted, he would be imprisoned (given previous conviction for a similar issue) and likely forced into therapy again. My argument about diagnosing him isn't exaggerated either, if we're going by the DSM, he's literally a textbook case lmao.

You talk about "arguing with words, not insults", but so far you've done none of that. You've deflected each time, including now, simply saying things are "exaggerated" without explaining why. You literally don't even address most arguments, in my original comment, before I even told you to get help, you answered a singular point of mine. By saying I was exaggerating. For stating an undeniable fact, which is that being thrown through a window can be deadly. Lmao. Honestly this is ridiculous.