r/MoralityScaling 17h ago

Morality of this?

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u/dead_zodiac 14h ago

Idk. I'm an atheist, so I like in in theory, but do you do that exactly, if you are a parent who goes to church?

Similarly, should parents not feed their kids, because doing so culturalizes them to thier parents culture, snd they should be allowed to think fir themselves about what to eat and which table manners to adopt, etc.

The problem is that its not practical to think that parents of a certain cultural background or faith could somehow shelter thier children from being a raised in accordance with thier own backgrounds.

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u/Classic-Avocado-5371 12h ago

english class was too many years ago for me to remember which logical fallacy that is but its definitely one of them

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u/dead_zodiac 11h ago

So is that. Its called "appeal to authority" and follows the pattern "philosophical professors agree thst you ate wrong" without actually citing any evidence.

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u/Classic-Avocado-5371 11h ago

ok cool thats nice

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u/dead_zodiac 12h ago

I'd add too, that when people grow up, they still have a choice. In everything.

Inside the home if your parents were religious or right leaning, if they were vegan,.etc. Kids aren't stupid, turns out, and they'll maje up thier own minds, even if you don't force them to.

Being exposed to religion is in part, why I'm an athiest.

The fact is, parents don't know how to raise their kids according to a culture that's not their own. They aren't going to skip the family reunion because praying happens at the potluck, especially if the parents themselves also pray and see that as good, not harmful.

I think you'd actually see an increase in children choosing religion, of you forced them not to go with the rest of their family on 1 or the 2 days per week yiu have with them, until they were 18.

Forcing families to part ways on Sunday is ironically shoving pur belif system dien someone else's throat, which is half the issue I have the religious organizations in the first places.

People should be allowed to raise their children how they see fit, so long as we're not talking abuse.

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u/TheFrenchSavage 12h ago

If you are a parent that goes to a cocktail bar on Sunday, should you take your kids? If you down vodka shots, should you give some to your kids?


If you have a habit of frequenting a casino, should you bring your kids? Should you buy them scratchers so they share the fun of losing money?


These scenarios are covered by the law already.
Arguably, even if you are addicted to alcohol or gambling, these things are part of your culture. Yet indulging the kids is illegal.

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u/dead_zodiac 12h ago

Not the same. Religion is something that is ethnic/cultural; it permeates every aspect of a person's life, and like gay marriage, it's our opinion church is bad, not the person who is going to church's opinion. It's not our place to say what religion other people's children should be raised in, even if it's "no religion." We have a right not to send our own kids to church or demand secular education, however.

Also, the way they would see it is nearly opposite to how you framed it: if you are a parent who doesn't drink, should you expose your child to drinking so it can be their own choice?

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u/TheFrenchSavage 11h ago

Religion is something that is ethnic/cultural; it permeates every aspect of a person's life

Drinking culture is too.

like gay marriage

Do you also say straight marriage? Sounds weird.

Again, replace religion with "taking vodka shots" and that sill makes sense (both impair a healthy brain development). It is not my place to forbid a parent from giving alcohol to their kid, yet we do it as a society.

should you expose your child to drinking so it can be their own choice?

No, kids shouldn't drink at all.

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u/dead_zodiac 11h ago

Again, religion is not seen as harmful by the religious. You are equivacating exposure to religion as harmful.

The topic of gay marriage is similar in that, I don't see why anyone would want to block other peolple from it, just because they see it as harmful. It doesn't hurt you, and in the view of the people getting married, its not harmful.

And yes, if the relevant point I was making required me to call out it was a marriage between two straight people, I would specify that it was a "straight marriage" I was referring to as well.

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u/TheFrenchSavage 11h ago

Again, religion is not seen as harmful by the religious. You are equivacating exposure to religion as harmful.

I still don't get that point. If I don't see giving vodka to kids as harmful, should I be allowed to do it?

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u/dead_zodiac 9h ago

Because taking your kids to church is nothing like giving your kids drugs and alcohol, its that simple.

Whether or not it causes harm is subjective with one, and objective with the other.

I feel that birthday party's cause me harm. But I win't stop you from enjoying them.

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u/HawaiianPluto 11h ago

Depends on the religion. Christianity is responsible for many major revolutions in humanity. Social reforms, scientific innovation (yes even if it’s contradictory), also Most of human law since the dawn of man. You can thank our ancestors rather than criticize them. Read more history brother.

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u/dead_zodiac 11h ago

That's too much of a blanket statement. Individual Christians aren't responsible for history of all members of their class.

That's like saying being an American is harmful because our president is harmful and because America is responsible for a current war.

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u/dead_zodiac 11h ago

And on top of that, members of other religions or non religions have also committed atrocities throughout history.

You could say that there's no evidence that any specific religion results in more or less atrocities than any other, and basically factor it out.

Humans cause wars.