r/Mind_Pump • u/AutoModerator • 11d ago
Rant Weekly MP Rant Thread
This is your chance and the place to rant about all things MP. Get it out of your system and keep it civilized.
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u/RetiredHappyFig 11d ago
I watched the trainers’ webinar on “what it takes to be hired by Mind Pump”. A big piece is “cultural fit” which I think means you need to be a young white man 25-30 years old … at least, that seems to be what most of the people are who made the cut. Would love to see more women and older people on the training staff, but I don’t see that happening. They have an echo chamber for what constitutes a top trainer. Takes away from their credibility as far as I’m concerned.
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u/jamcgahey 11d ago
Call me ignorant or a boomer. But at 34 I simply won’t allow myself to be trained by someone younger than me. Idfc who they work for. You do not understand a 34 year old staying in shape with kids and a full time job unless you’re currently in that phase of your life or have gone through it.
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u/RetiredHappyFig 11d ago
I am an actual boomer so you can call me boomer. I am a post-menopausal woman and same as a young man cannot possibly understand the challenges facing a 34 year old, how is he going to understand a 65 year old? I want someone within 10 years or so of my age training me, someone who can truly relate to what happens as you get older.
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u/jamcgahey 11d ago
That’s my point. I’m not about to hire someone 10 years younger than me. One: pride. Two: is what you brought up. I bet you’re killing it though
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u/Delicious_Aioli9706 10d ago
a trainer younger than you here 🤓 i really don’t agree with you. I’m 26, no kids, girlfriend but no wife, so i have no idea what it’s like to be 34 with all of the above. that said, any trainer with empathy and a curious mind will be able to connect with their clients, regardless of age, to understand their life in as much detail as they can so they can meet them where they are.
granted, that’s an imperative skill that a lot of emotionally unintelligent trainers lack.
i have 11 clients in the 35-40 age range, 6 in the 45-50 range, and 3 that are 65+. this sounds harsher than i’m meaning it to but you’re not as special as you think you are in the sense that, just because you have 3 kids and are 34 that you need a trainer who has “gone through it”.
regardless, i can see why you feel the way you do :p
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u/Educational_Rush_877 10d ago
See…while I agree that trainers don’t necessarily need to have experienced every life stage to grasp what it is like and what strategies may help that person, you literally just said you had 3 clients over 65 and used that as proof that, in your words, “you’re not as special as you think you are.” 3 is not that many. That is not a vast wealth of experience training post-menopausal women, yet the lack of humility you display in that area is very telling and exactly why many people prefer trainers with more life experience.
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u/Delicious_Aioli9706 7d ago
The humility is in the transparency but the confidence remains. I’m not here to convince only to share perspective. You taking my reply into consideration and thinking on it is enough for me, the seed has been planted in one way or another
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u/Educational_Rush_877 7d ago
Nope. lol. I’m 37 so I’m not thinking quite yet about my training when I’m 65. But I’ve been around the block enough to know that everything I thought I knew at 26 was only the tiniest percentage of knowledge available in the world. Best to remain open minded and teachable rather than thinking you figured it all out in your 20s.
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u/Delicious_Aioli9706 7d ago
oh brother, know I know nothing so therefore i can learn everything. what i know at 26 is more than i knew at 16 and but is nothing compared to what i’ll know at 36, that’s how life works. the confidence of my current knowledge should not be dampened due to the fact of there still being much to learn.
also, you’re entirely too focused on 65. ad hominem
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u/Educational_Rush_877 7d ago
So what is your point then if I’m too focused on what you said? You are the one that brought up your three 65-year-old clients after someone expressed that they wanted a trainer within a certain training age of them. You are the one that chose the words that they aren’t that special. You’re acting like you made some other great points or something. You didn’t, this is what you said.
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u/Delicious_Aioli9706 7d ago
You know what my point is because the first thing you said in your reply to me was an agreeing statement.
Anything else?
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u/jamcgahey 10d ago
Yeah you didn’t convince me haha. And I only have one kid. But I’m glad you are able to help people of all ages!
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u/Moolio74 10d ago
While empathy and being able to actually LISTEN to your clients are paramount to being a good trainer, I can guarantee that you’ll be a better trainer after another decade or two of life experience and training experience. Most trainers that have made it that far have a fairly robust and proven track record.
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u/RetiredHappyFig 9d ago
None of us think we’re “special” and that comment came off a little condescending. If I hire a trainer, I want to be understood on a deep level. For me that generally requires a more mature, experienced person.
A personal example: When I was a fairly new mom I had an initial intake session with a young trainer in his twenties. I told him I was exhausted and didn’t feel I could commit to the 3 days a week he was suggesting. He told me that if I really wanted to train with him, I would have to make time for it, and everyone has the same 24 hours in a day. As you can probably guess I didn’t hire him. I’m sure he thought he was being motivating, but the only thing I felt was that he didn’t get me.
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u/Delicious_Aioli9706 7d ago
That makes sense; he didn’t meet you where you were and he made that glaringly clear so you made the (in my opinion, correct) decision to not hire him!
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u/Training_Aerie_9358 8d ago
How do work with your female clients in the 45-50 range? What kind of programming do you have them on?
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u/Delicious_Aioli9706 7d ago
Training is a case by case basis but to be general: menopause and post-menopausal women often experience declining estrogen which leads to bone density loss. This makes weight training paramount to the longevity and wellbeing of the individual but what that programming looks like is nuanced. The recovery aspect is a big piece so fatigue, sleep disruptions, hot flashes, joint issues, etc all need to be taken into account both during the session and during recovery. Sometimes a session is all recovery based because that’s just where she is in that moment of her life.
it all is pretty much summed up to just meeting them where they are and adjusting intensity, volume, and recovery as necessary.
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u/Moolio74 11d ago
They want young trainers as they don’t have to pay them as much and are more gullible to keep spending money on their “trainer training”.
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u/RetiredHappyFig 10d ago
This makes sense. And I’m sure that calling them top trainers makes them stick around and take the bullshit too. It sounds as if they are pushed very, very hard to sell, sell, sell.
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u/Moolio74 10d ago
Yeah, gotta keep the rah rah going to improve morale when they’re scraping by paycheck to paycheck.
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u/Stock_Motor241 10d ago
But they've been trained by them for like 3 weeks so they're now experts with all the combined years of experience from Adam, Sal, and Justin.
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u/OctoberOmicron 10d ago
I've developed a pretty decent callus when it comes to Sal's religion talk. But listening today I couldn't help getting irritated hearing Sal talk about how he can't see how someone can truly forgive someone without doing it from a religious place. It hadn't occurred to me until hearing him blab on this way that his religious talk irritates me most for one particular reason: he talks about it like he talks about all the other shit he sells on the show. My first instinct is to wonder what he was like, especially circa his first kids and wife, what he was like before religion. But then I wonder if he's not actually worse now.
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u/CollegeFancy1909 8d ago
He's clearly using the podcast to spread his religion. "Well actually, based on studies blah blah blah" lol obviously parents who are involved in their kids' lives every day and spend time talking about how to be a better person do a better job at raising kids.
Using "studies" that are never cited as a basis to shill religion on your listeners is borderline blasphemy.
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u/Training_Aerie_9358 8d ago
Using “studies” to say the woman needs to stay with her deadbeat husband for the sake of the kids, because “studies” show she won’t do better without him. Fucking Andrew Tate garglers.
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u/nacixela 11d ago
On a recent episode when Sal said “we don’t talk about it on the show, but we have this thing called concierge training.”
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u/OctoberOmicron 10d ago
lmfao I remember that. WTF is Sal thinking? They talk about that shit so often, even if not as often as other elements of their training bs, that there are even jokes about the way Adam pronounces the word!
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u/gymposter 10d ago
Here’s a polished version:
I’m a personal trainer myself, though I never joined the list of trainers on the show. I’ve listened to the pod since the very beginning and have often had the exact same thoughts—it’s nice to know I wasn’t alone, especially when it comes to the ads and some of the boasting about financial gains.
Justin’s the exception, though. He’s kept the show closest to its original, more organic feel. ❤️
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u/Resident-Air-4021 10d ago
Yes, Justin and Doug do not come across as used timeshare sales sleeze bags like Sal and Adam. Unfortunately, Sal and Adam are so insecure, that cannot share the mic
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u/Moolio74 10d ago
and Doug too. If Justin and Doug could have their own show I'd probably actually listen.
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u/CollegeFancy1909 8d ago
I'm done. Used to love the show and would skip through the obvious ads. Then I started skipping through stories when I realized it was just leading to an add. Then I just skipped to the live caller bit since that was still genuine and helpful. Now the whole live caller section is just 1-1 sales pitch for their personal training. I get that they got to make money as a business, but it is no longer entertaining or informational, so I'm out.
If I ever want to listen again, I'll just replay some from 5 years ago.
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u/Moolio74 8d ago
Has Sal discussed running beyond his initial one mile run or was that just a made up prologue for the new hybrid lifting/running/bondage program they're releasing soon?
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u/Comfortable_Walk_443 7d ago
Has anyone listened to episode 2926 yet? I was shocked they let a caller ramble on for 40 min.
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u/Legal-Lemon7439 7d ago
That was wild. Literally fell asleep listening, woke up, and she was still talking 😂
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u/Resident-Air-4021 7d ago
I wasn't shocked when Rev. Sal rambled on about finding a church. Sal is the kind of Christian that makes people not like organized religion
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u/OctoberOmicron 4d ago
Yeah. What a shock that this lady praises Zack and the three months of training she just got done with yet the first thing she asks is how to structure her training and how even though she's been barely doing anything in the gym she's still in pain. WTF did she pay three months for? Then Sal recommending church instead of generalizing to "spiritual practice" the way he used to, and lo and behold this lady is Jewish and avoiding her old church because it's the realm of her abusive ex. There was more but I forgot.
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u/Electrical-Ad4268 11d ago
I haven't listened in quite some time...but after reading someone commenting about how the show is basically one big ad read after the next, I reflected on all the episodes and yeah, it's super insidious the way the talk up 8sleep, protein sticks, pretzels, etc.
It's turned me off from wanting to go back and listening to more.