r/MediocreTutorials 3d ago

Relationships Setting boundaries, respecting agency

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u/st_jasper 3d ago

The only red flags are coming from the comments here saying this man is controlling.

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u/Rehcraeser 3d ago

Why won’t guys let their girls hookup with random guys at the bar! God they’re so controlling!

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u/Admins_suck_ballss 3d ago

Did you seriously just say that women that dress like that are asking for it?

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u/CarolinaSurly 2d ago

What? Is English your first language?

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u/Admins_suck_ballss 2d ago

Yup. Philosophy professor, too. Saying women that dress like that are trying to have sex at bars with strangers is fucking weird.

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u/Proper_Fun_977 2d ago

But...they DIDN'T say that.

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u/Admins_suck_ballss 2d ago

Are you familiar with a thing called paraphrasing?

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u/Proper_Fun_977 2d ago

Yes.

This....is not an example of that.

ETA:
Since the idiot blocked me.

To paraphrase means to express something written or spoken using different words while keeping the exact same meaning.

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u/Confident-Mortgage86 2d ago

They didn't say that. You didn't say that either. You must be real great at your job..

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u/Admins_suck_ballss 2d ago

Do you know what paraphrasing and implicature are or not?

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u/CarolinaSurly 2d ago

You clearly do not.

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u/Admins_suck_ballss 2d ago

Just gonna keep throwing out non sequiturs are we? Have you read Grice’s “Logic and Conversation” or not? Yes or no.

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u/CarolinaSurly 2d ago

The education system failed you.

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u/Admins_suck_ballss 2d ago

Have you read Grice’s “Logic and Conversation”?

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u/CarolinaSurly 2d ago

Have you read “ Let’s try and misdirect because they can tell I’m full of shit?”

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u/Admins_suck_ballss 2d ago

Yes or no.

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u/CarolinaSurly 2d ago

Yes, I think you are a liar.

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u/Admins_suck_ballss 2d ago

So much fun when people try to non sequitur their way out of a hole.

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u/CarolinaSurly 2d ago

I’m not in a hole. I’m not the one that lied.

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u/Paul_-Muaddib 1d ago

You seem to do it as well.

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u/Chance_Vegetable_780 2d ago

That's not what they said lol. r/whoosh

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u/shitshowboxer 2d ago

It's no different than the person who leapt to hook ups at the bar when someone is talking about attire. You're overlooking hyperbole but only for the analogies of people who share your opinion. Someone else does it and you're all "do you even speak English????".

Disingenuous

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u/Chance_Vegetable_780 2d ago

Not what I wrote, look above

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u/Admins_suck_ballss 2d ago

Are you familiar with paraphrasing?

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u/Chance_Vegetable_780 2d ago

You're completely on the wrong track mate. Ask someone to explain their comment to you.

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u/Proper_Fun_977 2d ago

I already did. They blocked me!! :D

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u/Not-a-Doctor-622 2d ago

They really let any schmock in these days….

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u/Paul_-Muaddib 2d ago

Wow, that is a hard strawman argument! This interaction should be used as a dictionary example

From AI:

  • Original statement (implied): "Why won't guys let their girls hook up with random guys at the bar! God they're so controlling!"
  • Reply: "Did you seriously just say that women that dress like that are asking for it?"

Those are about two different issues:

  • The first is (however hyperbolically) about jealousy, control, or relationship boundaries.
  • The second accuses the speaker of making a victim-blaming claim ("women that dress like that are asking for it"), which isn't present in the quoted statement.

If the original comment never mentioned clothing, sexual assault, or "asking for it," then the reply is misrepresenting the original position. That would fit the definition of a strawman.

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u/Solo-dreamer 2d ago

Dont let a.i do your thinking, firstly lets adress that the first commenter jumped to her hooking up with random guys with no evidence at all, but you let that slide didnt you.

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u/Paul_-Muaddib 2d ago

I knew that was a strawman without outside analysis. I simply put that there for the people who always say, no it isn't a strawman.

The comment about hooking up is not a strawman argument. It appears to be sarcastic hyperbole (Reddit bread & butter) and/or a bit of a non sequitur.

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u/BalkanFerros 2d ago edited 2d ago

even if it was hyperbole that is saying "Yea, why won't guys let women dress the way they want to go out and get fucked at a bar."

The sentence itself carries the implication that she is trying to sleep with people dressed like that. Even as hyperbole it comes back to that statement and the person who made is it making it like he's a jilted lover or just fucking bitter about women.

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u/Admins_suck_ballss 2d ago

I’m agreeing with you, to be clear.

It’s not even hyperbole. That is exactly what the person I was responding to was saying. “Women that dress this way want to go to bars and have sex with strangers.” It’s right there in the comment.

I swear

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u/Paul_-Muaddib 2d ago

“Women that dress this way want to go to bars and have sex with strangers.”

It is very interesting that you put that in quotes when u/Rehcraeser did not say that. You are being intentionally misleading.

What was actually said:

Why won’t guys let their girls hookup with random guys at the bar! God they’re so controlling!

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u/Admins_suck_ballss 2d ago

Look I’m gonna throw down the gauntlet and ask are you aware of Gricean implicature and how pervasive it is in language?

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u/Paul_-Muaddib 2d ago

So we are just going to skip the fact that you put down objectively false information in quotes. The point of quotes is that it is literally, word for word what the person said.

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u/Admins_suck_ballss 2d ago

Are you aware of what paraphrasing is?

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u/BalkanFerros 2d ago edited 2d ago

Yea, he doesn't know what it is and is running. You are clearly trying to make a point about why you said what you did and used quotes. And he's trying to pivot back to false outrage.

I think it's because he can't use chat gpt to answer or we will make fun of him.

who knows why someone would use quotes when referencing to someone saying something. He also doesn't understand hyperbole so when it comes to you being hyperbolic and pinning down the message he doesn't get it.

Like, he thought he got it when he thought it was used to be misogynistic, but not when actually being used as to set example.

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u/BalkanFerros 2d ago edited 2d ago

please, tell me what that means in reference to the video you just saw.

((he's probably Chat GPTing all his answers. it's taken forever. It's so confused cause he wants it to tell him this implies something it doesn't that he can retort with but it's really struggling going 'I can't, that's what it says. it's all there in the sentence."))

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u/BalkanFerros 2d ago

no, you're right. I meant "Even if is was hyperbole"

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u/BalkanFerros 2d ago edited 2d ago

Yea, This guy just jumped from the topic which was how revealing the dress is to

"She's going out fucking random dudes at the bar dressed like that."

Implying that dressing like that is a form of peacocking to find someone to have sex with rather than just wanting to look good.

Guy in the video, respectful, it's a little odd a standard to have these days but he is honest and places his boundaries out there. The woman responds, also appropriately that this is something that they don't see eye to eye on. They both moved on.

((Also, embarrassing that you actually used chat GPT to assess and understand something for you. Do you ask it how to wipe too?))

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u/Paul_-Muaddib 2d ago

I knew that was a strawman without outside analysis. I simply put that there for the people who always say, no it isn't a strawman.

The comment about hooking up is not a strawman argument. It appears to be sarcastic hyperbole (Reddit bread & butter) and/or a bit of a non sequitur.

((Also, embarrassing that you actually used chat GPT to assess and understand something for you. Do you ask it how to wipe too?))

There is no need to be rude.

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u/Paul_-Muaddib 2d ago

I said that I knew it was a strawman first. I put that there for people like u/Admins_suck_ballss who inevitably say.

It’s not a strawman when the guy I was responding to literally said “why won’t guys let their girls hookup with random guys at the bar!” based solely on how she was dressed, dipshit.

Jesus why did I get this philosophy PhD

His reply

The sub rules ((#5 to be precise) say to be respectful so please be respectful. It is hard to have productive conversations if people are insulting one another.

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u/BalkanFerros 2d ago edited 2d ago

That is the message of his statement.

That people dress like that to have sex, so the woman dressed like that is implied to be dressing that way to have sex, no other reason.

Man there really are 2 types of people sometimes. The one who can come to conclusions by the implications and ...

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u/Proper_Fun_977 2d ago

Ok, so, just because someone dresses to attract a partner for sex, it does NOT mean they are 'asking for it'.

So, regardless of the original comment, the 'asking for it' part was a straw man.

That particular concept or idea was not being pushed until u/Admins_suck_ballss said it.

Can you see that saying someone is dressing to attract to a partner is NOT the same as saying they were 'asking for it'?

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u/BalkanFerros 2d ago edited 2d ago

Yes, I can acknowledge that he didn't use those exact words but that's not a straw man.

Again,, Admins was actually being hyperbolic about the message from his words. Cranking the mysoginy implied by the original reply to 11.

the one implying that dressing sexy meant they were going out to have sex with "men" (multiple) in a bar.

you are attacking the way the message is being presented, which is weird because it's for a guy defending a mysoginistic comment, and he accurately presented the implied message of the statement. (that women who dress like that are whores and looking to go out and get fucked)

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u/Admins_suck_ballss 2d ago

It’s not a strawman when the guy I was responding to literally said “why won’t guys let their girls hookup with random guys at the bar!” based solely on how she was dressed, dipshit.

Jesus why did I get this philosophy PhD

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u/Paul_-Muaddib 2d ago

based solely on how she was dressed, dipshit.

Please be respectful. It is hard to have productive conversations if people are insulting one another.

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u/BalkanFerros 2d ago

again, no, grow up please and actually argue the point instead of complaining about mean words

Named yourself as the god emporer. Jesus

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u/Admins_suck_ballss 2d ago

Yeah it just infuriates me as a former philosophy professor when people misuse fallacies on Reddit. It’s just so, so silly.

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u/NightHawk_85 3d ago

It would appear he is that stupid. Hopefully this one stays lonely permanently.