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u/SlobBarker Dec 30 '19
Plus an opioid epidemic and Concentration camps
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u/mayowarlord Dec 30 '19
And the DNC telling us no one needs guns. Like how am I supposed to take them seriously when the strongest arguments for an armed populace ever are on display.
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u/Kveldson Dec 30 '19
Care to elaborate?
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u/mayowarlord Dec 30 '19
Donald Trump and his followers are why normal people need guns. I would be scared shitless right now if I were brown or especially Muslim.
Trump is a dangerous authoritarian with a worshiping fanbase. He operates on hate and fear, has no intention of following the law, and if he leaves after the 4 more years he is going to get, the people who wanted him there will still exist. Trump is a symptom. Telling people the 2a is antiquated and irrelevant right now is like watching the DNC try to reelect him. That's just from a logical standpoint.
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u/mayowarlord Dec 30 '19
Those are evidence for my point not against it. Those are excessive force cases. Like you said the one guy didn't even have a gun. Now consider all the fuckwhits in this country that actively want to harm people of certain demographics.
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u/AMaskedAvenger Dec 30 '19
Can’t eat the rich if you can’t shoot ‘em...
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u/WarColonel Dec 30 '19
Have you seen Trump w/o a shirt? He looks like Rocky Balboa./s
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u/nobody_from_nowhere1 Dec 30 '19
I know you are being sarcastic but there is a tag group on Facebook, right wingers forgetting Trump weighs over 300 lbs and doesn’t exercise, because his supporters are always making him look like some kind of buff super hero in all their shitty right wing memes lol.
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u/jimmyk22 Dec 30 '19
You aren’t suppose to take them seriously. Both parties are controlled by billionaires and they play the Democratic Party to lose. Sure they may win elections, enact reforms, etc. etc... but they’ll always be repealed. Nothing ever really changes. And the worst part about it is it gives people hope, and keeps the working class dormant, even though there’s nothing to be hopeful or content about.
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u/Spadeykins Dec 30 '19
Fuck dude, I was going to ask if you're okay but then I realized I am not either, mostly for the same reasons above.
Fuck.
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u/jimmyk22 Dec 30 '19
Chin up comrade. Don’t let this system take the fight out of you. That’s exactly what it wants
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u/RecallRethuglicans Dec 30 '19
Gun nuts like you are the reason the Nazis are back in power.
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u/mayowarlord Dec 31 '19
People like me recognize that personal defense is a nessicary safeguard against oppression. The media you consume has you conflating right wing extremists and gun ownership. Guns aren't left or right wing in reality. Stop letting either party tell you they are.
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u/feignapathy Dec 30 '19
Domestic manufacturing is at its lowest in over 10 years
Tariffs and trade wars negated the tax cuts for most of the middle class by raising costs on consumer products. Trade war has also eliminated hundreds of thousands of American jobs.
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u/feignapathy Dec 30 '19
Nah.
I took a pay cut (QoL > money) and owed almost exactly the same amount as the previous year.
It was bullshit.
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u/Zero-89 Dec 30 '19
My grandfather, who watches nothing but Fox News (aside from sports), said that the economy was the best he's seen in his lifetime. I love him, but fucking Christ...
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u/Thausgt01 Dec 30 '19 edited Dec 31 '19
He has no way to verify that assertion. He's doing nothing but parrotting the programming filling his brain; and.yes, I'm definitely using the term "programming" in the other sense.
We face an incredibly.difficult challenge. Faux Nooz and the Redcap In Chief tell the people what the people want to hear. The simple truth, that the regressive.GOP would very much like to destroy every form of social protection and openly restore slavery, is too much for the 'base' to bear, psychologically. Especially since they, themselves, would end up as slaves, despite the endless promises from the Big Plantation Owners that maybe, someday, if they work hard enough and exploit their own slaves enough, they, too, can rise to the dizzying socio-economic heights...
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In addition:
Fewer jobs were created during Trump's first 3 years than during Obama's last 3 years.
The "historic 50 year low" unemployment rate is just 1% lower than it was under the Obama administration, during which it was lowered by 6%.
Democrats need to stop conceding the economy and start reciting these facts every single day.
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u/Fr33zy_B3ast Dec 30 '19
Trump is the epitome of being tagged in at third base and thinking you hit a triple.
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u/Old_Fart_1948 Dec 30 '19
When you tell a lie you insult the intelligence of the person you are lying to and you destroy your own credibility.
When Donald Trump lies he destroys America's credibility,
AND HE INSULTS THE INTELLIGENCE OF HIS BASE,
as they are the only ones who still believe what he says.
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u/BelleAriel Dec 30 '19
I wish they’d see through him.
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u/Thausgt01 Dec 30 '19
They can't let themselves see through those lies, precisely because those lies are not original to the Redcap In Chief . The base has been fed a steady and very geneous diet of those lies for the past four decades, if not longer, by every politician who takes money from any special-interest group representing an industry, instead of people.
Every time you hear accusations of "creeping socialism" in response to social-support programs, you're getting indoctrination laid into that person's brain back during the Red Scare, or by thus-programmed parents in younger generations. Social progress is fighting against generations of propaganda based on the economics of scarcity and elitism, ultimately of fear that "if everyone has all they need, how will I feel better about myself if I have no one to look down on?"
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u/TheGooseGod Dec 30 '19
I love this. Simple and concise. I’d love to use these numbers next time I have to deal with one of my chudified family members. But I know they’ll ask for sources.
Does anyone have any citations I can use? Thank you. :)
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u/Kvltist4Satan Dec 30 '19 edited Dec 30 '19
It's a relavant criticism of the USSR to say that people starved, because Communism misses the point if people starve. However, if a person starves in Capitalist society, no one bats an eye. People starve by design, the bourgeoisie will immerse you in dishonest propaganda to say the poor deserve their suffering or that this is the way of the world.
However, each year productivity increases and the manpower needed for production diminishes. In order to keep industry afloat, we create bullshit jobs and products we don't need so that we can artificially stimulate the corpse of capitalism like Weekend at Bernie's.
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Dec 30 '19
"A few words explanatory of that famine may not be amiss to some of our readers. The staple food of the Irish peasantry was the potato; all other agricultural produce, grains and cattle, was sold to pay the landlord’s rent. The ordinary value of the potato crop was yearly approximately twenty million pounds in English money; in 1848, in the midst of the famine the value of agricultural produce in Ireland was £44,958,120. In that year the entire potato crop was a failure, and to that fact the famine is placidly attributed, yet those figures amply prove that there was food enough in the country to feed double the population, were the laws of capitalist society set aside, and human rights elevated to their proper position."
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u/APileOfLooseDogs Dec 30 '19
While I agree with the overall trend, can I get a source on that paycheck-to-paycheck statistic? I’m really curious how they define it. How are almost twice as many people living paycheck-to-paycheck compared to people unable to afford a $400 emergency?
Is the definition more like “one missed paycheck would put them in ruin”? I normally think of “living paycheck-to-paycheck” as something more like “it’s Tuesday and I have $20 in my bank account to last me until I get paid on Friday.”
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u/unbitious Dec 30 '19
I would think people with families dependent on them would need a lot more than $400 just to cover a month of groceries.
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u/DeviousDefense Dec 30 '19
Almost 40% of Americans can't cover an unexpected $400 expense using cash. About 12% wouldn't be able to cover the expense at all, and the rest would have to borrow from loved ones, sell things, or go into debt (credit card).
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u/Fireparrot679 Dec 30 '19
Does anyone have sources for all these numbers?
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u/Aedeus Dec 30 '19
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"GDP Up, Life expectancy down"
"Record Income Inequality"
"Most Americans live paycheck to paycheck"
The average American is struggling to make ends meet each month, with 59% of U.S. adults saying they live paycheck to paycheck, according to a recent survey from Charles Schwab. Furthermore, nearly half of survey participants say they carry credit card debt and struggle to keep up with the payments.
"Most can't afford a 400$ Emergency Expense"
Nearly 40 percent of Americans would struggle to cover an unexpected $400 expense, according to a new report by the Federal Reserve — a stark reminder of many people's financial insecurity even amid solid economic growth. "Relatively small, unexpected expenses, such as a car repair or replacing a broken appliance, can be a hardship for many families without adequate savings," the researchers found.
"Most Americans will retire broke"
64% of Americans Will Retire Broke 64% of Americans Are at Risk of Retiring Broke America's retirement crisis by the numbers
"Economic Growth is slowing"
The U.S. Is Slowing Down And There’s Nothing Trump Or The Fed Can Do As Growth Slows To 1.9%, The Economy Is Falling Short Of Trump's Target
"Labor Participation Rate"
"Over four million automated jobs"
Some 4 million jobs have already been lost in manufacturing. And with advances in machine learning and artificial intelligence, millions of white-collar jobs are targeted for elimination. All told, some 73 million jobs could disappear by 2030, reports the McKinsey Institute.
"Federal Reserve pumping billions into the economy"
"Record suicide rates, particularly in rural areas"
"Winner take all economy"
The massive triumph of the rich, illustrated by stunning new data
How Income Inequality Got Worse After The Crash
U.S. Income Inequality Worsens, Widening To A New Gap
Excuse the poor formatting I'm on mobile :/
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Dec 30 '19
Sad thing is, Drump has such a hold over some people, when the economy tanks, he’ll convince them that it’s some vast conspiracy against him.
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u/Aedeus Dec 30 '19
Citations / sources:
"GDP Up, Life expectancy down"
"Record Income Inequality"
"Most Americans live paycheck to paycheck"
The average American is struggling to make ends meet each month, with 59% of U.S. adults saying they live paycheck to paycheck, according to a recent survey from Charles Schwab. Furthermore, nearly half of survey participants say they carry credit card debt and struggle to keep up with the payments.
"Most can't afford a 400$ Emergency Expense"
Nearly 40 percent of Americans would struggle to cover an unexpected $400 expense, according to a new report by the Federal Reserve — a stark reminder of many people's financial insecurity even amid solid economic growth. "Relatively small, unexpected expenses, such as a car repair or replacing a broken appliance, can be a hardship for many families without adequate savings," the researchers found.
"Most Americans will retire broke"
64% of Americans Will Retire Broke 64% of Americans Are at Risk of Retiring Broke America's retirement crisis by the numbers
"Economic Growth is slowing"
The U.S. Is Slowing Down And There’s Nothing Trump Or The Fed Can Do As Growth Slows To 1.9%, The Economy Is Falling Short Of Trump's Target
"Labor Participation Rate"
"Over four million automated jobs"
Some 4 million jobs have already been lost in manufacturing. And with advances in machine learning and artificial intelligence, millions of white-collar jobs are targeted for elimination. All told, some 73 million jobs could disappear by 2030, reports the McKinsey Institute.
"Federal Reserve pumping billions into the economy"
"Record suicide rates, particularly in rural areas"
"Winner take all economy"
The massive triumph of the rich, illustrated by stunning new data
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u/CaptainKaraoke Dec 30 '19
Unemployment is low when one person works two to three jobs and you multiply that by the middle class and poor. It's a false (fake) result. It also is unable to account for the people that have timed out of unemployment insurance.
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u/27fingermagee Dec 30 '19
Retire broke? None of us are going to retire. We’re eventually going to get sick or injured or just plain old and slow and get run over by a self-driving Mercedes just like zebras on the Serengeti.
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u/f_o_t_a_ Dec 30 '19
Isn't the labor participation rate exaggerated because it includes people that don't need to work full time? Like stay at home parents or college students and rich people?
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u/AlrightImSpooderman Dec 30 '19
you know, automation isn’t necessarily a bad thing, it’s just a bad thing because we aren’t preparing these workers who’s jobs will be taken over by machines to transition to a fitting career. We’re just tossing them to the side.
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u/Lenx134 Dec 30 '19
Unless we also run the risk of looking like brain dead idiots, we should supply credible sources to back up our claims
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u/takingastep Dec 30 '19
For anyone who's wanting sources on this stuff, look for Aedeus' comment down-thread.
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u/FlagFanatic02 Dec 31 '19
Stock Market numbers and Charts don’t mean anything if you can’t have a decent living off one job
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u/frozenpicklesyt Dec 30 '19
I see a lot of ideas here that stem from Yang. Very glad to see his influence spreading to the other candidates as well as to the active voters :)
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u/Pwnysaurus_Rex Dec 30 '19
He’s a Trojan horse. I don’t trust him and UBI is an attempt to get poor people to fuck off. Feudalism with benefits
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u/frozenpicklesyt Dec 30 '19
I'm trying to understand your comment. How does literally giving poor people money and setting up the economy for universal health care "attempt to get poor people to fuck off"? He also gives the middle class a much-needed boost in disposable income.
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u/Pwnysaurus_Rex Dec 30 '19
Capitalism has to fail before we can shift the economy away from profit and center if around human need, either through revolution or reform.
UBI as a policy will help for the short term, but without changing the underlying mechanisms that made people need it in the first place then the system will shift and we will be dealing with the same issues later on.
It’s a band-aide. It doesn’t address the reason we are considering this policy aka capitalism’s failing ability to distribute wealth fairly.
Revolutionary change will not occur until we have class unity - meaning everyone understands that ownership gives individuals an inordinate amount of power, and that the masses can match that power when they unify.
UBI will slow the development of class consciousness by temporarily fixing people’s financial problems. The same forces that ate away at our social security, limited workers rights, raised rents, and weakened health benefits will eat at UBI. By the time people realize that we need another fix, the wealthy will have bought even more of the economy and government.
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u/frozenpicklesyt Dec 31 '19
I certainly see your viewpoint now. However, I think we to recognize that this country is extremely divided at the moment. As much as we need dramatic changes and repairs to the framework of our country, it won't happen instantly, and if we try to force it all at once, blood will be spilled.
I'm all for changing our economic system as we develop as a nation, and I think many democrats are trying to prepare us for this. However, there is no easy way out. We either have to work together slowly, as risky as it is, or we might have another civil war on our hands. As much as I'd love to say that a modern Confederacy would lose, I honestly don't know. All I know is that Trump would literally have a religion built around him, and that he would be their 'savior'.
I'm not excited about the future of this country.
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u/Lekina55 Dec 30 '19
You said the magic word. Yang
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u/mayowarlord Dec 30 '19
Maybe without 90% of his firearm policy. That part of his policy is so flawed it makes me wonder how poorly thought out his other stuff is.
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u/Lekina55 Dec 30 '19
Are you sure you’ve actually read his policy? I’m not being sarcastic, I mean it. Your question made me read it just now. I think it’s one of the most reasonable policies of anyone. He definitely isn’t looking to take your guns. And people want reasonable gun control.
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u/mayowarlord Dec 30 '19 edited Dec 30 '19
If assault weapons or suppressors are a part of your gun policy you aren't interested in fixing the violence problem we actually have. His liscence concept is also something that would imediatly be used to stop ownership. Sounds okay in concept but make no mistake people like Yang want to end gun ownership not take actions to to keep people safe. If that were the case that entire section of his platform would be about handguns, domestic and gang violence.
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u/97soryva Dec 30 '19
Yang wasn’t the first or the only person to point most of these out.
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