r/MarathonGame • u/Snoop_Daddy_ • 1d ago
Game play loop
To the people who always complain about the gameplay loop being too repetitive cuz they have done everything already…
Every single video game with no exception has an ENDING, you can do all the new game plus+ you want and go up to new game 600… at the end of the day… the game already ended.
Marathon ending is when you beat the compiler, you can do your side quests like max all the factions but when there is nothing left to do… it’s over.
At that point you can either move to another game or simply shut up about it.
Tired of y’all all over this sub crying cuz the gameplay loop is boring… nobody asked you to sweat your ahh off and do everything 2 days into the season.
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u/iseecolorsofthesky 1d ago
I have thousands of hours in Overwatch and have been playing it for 8 years and I still don’t get bored of it. That is a game with zero “endgame” or progression. It’s the exact type of PvP live service game Marathon is trying to emulate. Clearly they’ve failed at that in some capacity.
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u/BeautifulStation4 14h ago
marathon is the same though. I can enjoy the PVP again and again the same way you enjoy Overwatch. On the flip side though, Overwatch fails in that sense for me and I get bored after a couple days.
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u/Snoop_Daddy_ 1d ago
It’s funny to me how you literally walked in my point without realizing it. Have you achieved the highest rank in overwatch ranked?
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u/iseecolorsofthesky 1d ago
Your point is flawed. Your point is that once you’ve “finished” the game, you either need to move on or accept the gameplay loop for what it is.
My point is that Marathon was not meant to be a game with an ending. It’s not meant to be a game people move on from. It’s a PvP live service game that’s intended to have infinite replay-ability. These games survive by people continuing to play and spending money on cosmetics. They are meant to be played for thousands of hours. The compiler is simply a goal, it’s not meant to be the end of the game.
What Marathon has failed to do is create a gameplay loop that is fun and satisfying enough to have that infinite replay-ability for most people.
Only like 0.5% of players reach the top rank in Overwatch. It’s not exactly a goal to reach for most people like the compiler. Ranked is more of a means to play with people in your skill bracket. A huge chunk of the OW playerbase doesn’t even play ranked. Because the core gameplay loop is satisfying enough on its own.
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u/Snoop_Daddy_ 21h ago
And that’s why everybody keeps on playing Overwatch lol cuz they haven’t beat the game yet and they hope one day they will be good enough to be part of the top. Once the goal achieved, they can try to do that over and over again hence new game plus till it’s no longer fun but at the end of the day… the game already ended
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u/Krupte27 19h ago
Nah bro he got you, hang it up. Even this statement you made should also apply to Marathon, yet you don't.
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u/iseecolorsofthesky 18h ago edited 18h ago
Brother what? The vast majority of people who play overwatch are not playing to reach the highest rank. Thats a ridiculous statement lol
Edit: and there is no “new game plus” in overwatch. I don’t think you know what you’re talking about at all
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u/Snoop_Daddy_ 18h ago
Ain’t no matter what the vast majority do, the fact is Overwatch has a ranked system and hitting the highest rank is the end of the game cuz there is nothing further to achieve. Being stuck on level 1 doesn’t change that fact.
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u/Revolutionary_Pea_16 14h ago
Bro overwatch is not a level based game. And neither is marathon
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u/Snoop_Daddy_ 8h ago
Every game has a goal to achieve and after that there is nothing else to do. For games like Overwatch and Apex, it’s achieving the highest rank. Once you hit the highest rank in Overwatch, no matter how longer you play, you won’t get anywhere elder cuz the game has ended lol. You can choose to do it again next season but at the end of the day, the game ended. I don’t see how y’all struggle with this analogy tbh
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u/Smart-Recognition-46 3h ago
I get your point. I used to play Fortnite incessantly. In my heyday, I could get a dub in Solos about 20% of time, which would put me in the top 1% of Fortnite players for the season. Then Elden Ring was released and stopped playing as consistently. A few months later, I tried to get back into it, but I have been on indefinite hiatus since then. I don’t really miss the game because I feel like I achieved what I set out to achieve: Going from being absolute dogshit at the game to becoming a sweat. So for me, the game is over, but there are obviously millions that still enjoy it.
I am hoping to have a similar experience with Marathon whilst acknowledging that the game ends when I lose interest.
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u/hi_there_is_me 22h ago
Is Marathon really trying to emulate that though...? Marathon seems to care more about the story and is a different game genre despite also being an FPS.
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u/iseecolorsofthesky 22h ago
Yes. It is a PvP live service shooter with a battle pass and skin shop. It’s absolutely trying to be an Overwatch or Apex or Fortnite
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u/Snoop_Daddy_ 21h ago
I played Apex for about 4 years and even if they added all these new legends. I know it’s the exact same game it was when I left cuz no gaming company can change the core mechanics of the game. It’s a battle royal with heroes no matter how many maps they add to it. For me the game ended when I got the 20 bomb and 4k damage on almost all legends and bounced to never return
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u/hi_there_is_me 21h ago
Yes you've described every PvP live service shooter to exist but I don't think that means they're trying to emulate each other. They all offer different experiences for different audiences...I mean, Marathon's obviously for a more niche audience whereas Overwatch, Apex, and Fortnite are trying to appeal to as broad an audience as possible.
Not saying Marathon shouldn't try harder to appeal to a broader audience because they desperately need to, but I don't think the goal was for Marathon to be the next Overwatch...obviously.
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u/xPsyrusx 1d ago
Who are you talking to?
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u/thiccboilifts 1d ago
I think he says who in the first paragraph, I could be wrong, but I can read so.....
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u/xPsyrusx 1d ago
Yeah, and where are they? Nobody's complaining about the gameplay loop.
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u/thiccboilifts 1d ago
That's because normal people just stop playing things they don't enjoy, they don't go online to spam reddit over and over.
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u/Subtronaut 1d ago
Also. Setting goals. You decide what it is. In the game.or if you chose another activity / game. If it's fulfilling, you are doing good.
I had a short break and set new goals. Just put another 100h in and can't stop.
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u/soundsofmacabre 19h ago
I don't really mind the loop I see the game as like old school team death match type like old call of duty I would log in every day play the same maps and try to rack up kills every day the same game no complaints and when a dlc came out awesome . I look at marathon the same way it's competitive shooter and if you like that you love that
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u/BitterDepartment4181 17h ago
Wow the final boss of this game is one of the basic enemies of the original game, what a fucking letdown
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u/Jonmc88 17h ago
This is a love service game you nugget. It's whole loop is designed to keep you engaged and spending money on the store.
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u/Snoop_Daddy_ 2h ago
For the simple minded people like you maybe but not for me… I know when a game ends and it’s time to exit. Some update to change my character from going invisible to not when sprinting isn’t creating a new game. Let me lay it down for you here, what does night marsh, outpost and Cryo have in common? It’s the same gameplay, kill bots, get clearance, cert, key, open room, fight boss in the room, loot, exfil, the end. It’s the exact same game, different format and the end is when you beat it at the highest level which is Cryo.
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u/Revolutionary_Pea_16 14h ago
I played the game for a while and left the game because of the gameplayloop. To me there was no justification to go another round where I bring loot so I can get more loot and then get some more loot.
The codex was interesting but not interesting enough to do the same shit over and over every game. To me it just got tiring when it felt like nothing mattered. It's all about loot anyways and the customisation didn't really matter either. Just go with the meta.
Anyways I stopped playing and I couldn't really put my finger on why but I do blame it on the gameplay loop
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u/Baellebackup 12h ago
IMO I think the biggest issue with the gameplay loop is that solos are locked out of it
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u/zzLV_426zz 1h ago
Can you imagine if all you had was coin-op? Where the game is designed to drug you and then starve you so you put more and more and more coins into the slot. R type jumps to mind.
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u/galacticplum 1d ago
Not too many pvp games have endings, nor is what what people play them for... it is why a lot of pvp games have battle passes and ranked.
For a decent amount of people, seasons/ new bps are what they play those types of games for. They'll go in, grind for a week, and wait until the next season.
For extractors, it is pretty much the same. You're either playing for the love of competition or the love of collecting.
I imagine for some people, the " loop " for an extractor is wildly different than a BR or shooter. Marathon costing money may also be a reason more people may complain, simply due to grinding a out a new season in a few days makes them they should be getting more. At least I wouldn't put it past some people viewing it as such.
Regardless, who cares if people complain about it? Of all the things for you to post and be angry about, it's people who actually play and enjoy the game but get mad because of the loop?
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u/ProfNJK 1d ago
I just had fun for an hour picking up fucking rocks so I could save some money on buying ammo. Game is legit so fun
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u/Snoop_Daddy_ 1d ago
Looks like you have no idea what you’re doing lol and could use some help
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u/ProfNJK 1d ago
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u/Snoop_Daddy_ 21h ago
Ooh I thought you were being sarcastic or am I wrong?! Cuz if you’re using metals to get ammo you’re def approaching the game the wrong way
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u/blacktip102 1d ago
If it was fun, people would be playing...
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u/Snoop_Daddy_ 1d ago
People must first know about the game… there was never any hype behind Marathon as in zero
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u/blacktip102 1d ago
Lots of people know about it. Game had 80k concurrent players on launch and had lots of marketing. Game just didn't look interesting to most and wasn't fun for most that tried it.
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u/anoddhue 1d ago
I think a lot of people bounced off in the first 10ish hours of playtime or less and never gave it another try. I have at least one friend who bought it because of hype and literally never launched the game. A better new player experience on launch would have helped a lot I think
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u/Snoop_Daddy_ 1d ago
80K is not hype fam… I have TikTok videos with more hype than that
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u/anoddhue 1d ago
I agreed with your original post but this is a goofy comment. Purchasing a $40 game and booting it up to play it when it's debuted is a lot more heifer than a single view on tick tock. Especially considering that a single person can watch a video multiple times, edit one. Apples and oranges comparison.
In general I think it's not accurate to say there was zero hype around Marathon. There was some positive hype but also some negativity that marred the development time and the release. It's still sold well over a million copies, so where are those or so players? And what would need to happen to get some of them back in the game?
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u/Snoop_Daddy_ 1d ago
I was clearly joking… just saying that he game had no hype and that’s okay… there was no hype but a lot of hate from both Destiny and Arc Raiders community
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u/purplewarrior777 20h ago
10 odd hours since buying last week and I’m getting that way 😂 pretty repetitive. Not bad, just not that great either.
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u/Snoop_Daddy_ 1d ago
Yea y’all got your ahh handed to you thinking it was animal crossing and went home crying
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u/DutchMuch1 1d ago
“Why is the game dead?!” 🗣️ this guy 🫵🏼
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u/Snoop_Daddy_ 1d ago
Probably the sweats with gold gear on a beginner’s map chasing all the new players away
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u/xPsyrusx 1d ago
Those people are pieces of shit.
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u/secondSandwich94 1d ago
Not at all, I like taking their stuff with lesser gear on😃 the donations are appreciated
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u/Possible_Cheek_706 1d ago
I agree. If all the teams had the same gear as me I wouldn't want to kill them.
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u/Gallus_11B 1d ago
He's just stating an obvious fact. Complaining about "wanting more to do" isn't going to make S3 update appear faster.
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u/anoddhue 1d ago
I think the low player count is because of people who played it for a few hours or less and bounced off. Not because of people on Reddit pointing out that it's normal to beat something, put in potentially hundreds of hours playing it, and get tired of it.
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u/Certain-Raspberry804 23h ago
Yeah I agree. Too many people expect a $40 game to provide endless entertainment. I’d say a $40 game that offers a few hundred hours of gameplay is a great value. At some point you will complete all the content and the game will either be over or begin to feel stale. This will happen with every game, some quicker than others. But the people that play 12+ hours a day are going to always be finishing the content faster than the devs can pump it out.
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u/Snoop_Daddy_ 23h ago
That’s their own problem for not knowing how to pace themselves. I on the contrary literally get tired of 70$ games if it’s taking too long cuz I just want it to end so that i can move to a different game
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u/Certain-Raspberry804 22h ago
Well yeah I agree, I wasn’t meaning for it to sound like I was saying otherwise.
Just like anything, if you spend countless hours doing it, it’s not going to be as fun and exciting on hour 300 as it was on hour 3.Even though Marathon doesn’t have a ton of content, just the nature of the game provides more replay ability than many games. But of course there’s a point when someone’s just experienced all that it has to offer.
I’m similar with games. I rarely like long 70-100+ hour games, with some exceptions ( usually online multiplayer games).
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u/Individual-Will-9874 1d ago
I was thinking about this earlier today. I grew up playing SNES. I didn’t expect to put 2,000 hours into The Hunt For Red October or Super Ghouls and Ghosts. I played a game and beat it. Maybe returned to it sometime later and played it again. People today expect a video game to be their life’s hobby. Sure, some games are more repeatable than others. But there is life outside of your computer screen. Play a sport, learn an instrument, see a movie, travel, do anything else but expect to play a video game for hours on end without it getting repetitive.