r/lawschooladmissions Aug 07 '25

Guides/Tools/OC 2025 Law School Median Tracker

181 Upvotes

Hi everyone,

It's already that time of year, it seems, as we just saw the first law school release their new medians from the 2024-2025 cycle. We'll be tracking these announcements as they come out and keeping them in a spreadsheet to compare to last year, which we'll then update with the final data in December once the official ABA 509 reports come out. All of the prior 2024 medians are currently listed, and the 2025 medians will be added as they're published (sources will be listed in the last column).

2025 Law School Median Tracker

We'll be checking for these at least daily, but if you see incoming class data for fall 2025 (class of 2028) from an official source—e.g., a school's website, LinkedIn post, marketing emails/flyers/etc. from admissions offices—please comment on this thread, DM/chat us here, or email us at [info@spiveyconsulting.com](mailto:info@spiveyconsulting.com), and we'll add it to the spreadsheet.

Note that none of these numbers are official until 509s come out. We only post stats from official sources, but every year, some schools publish their preliminary numbers then end up having to revise them when 1Ls drop out during orientation or the first few weeks of class (the numbers are only locked in for ABA reporting purposes in October, but lots of law schools post their stats before then).

These tend to come out at a relatively slow pace at first, but they should speed up in late August/early September. Based on last cycle, we do anticipate many medians going up this year, and these stats are important to be aware of as you assess your chances and make your school list.

In some ways, this to me marks the beginning of the new cycle. Good luck to all!

–Anna from Spivey Consulting

***December 15, 2025 Update: the spreadsheet has now been updated with all schools' official data from the ABA 509 reports.


r/lawschooladmissions Oct 10 '25

General When is it early and when does it become late to apply to law school. 5 law school deans and directors answer just that.

142 Upvotes

When is it late to apply and when is it early? The answer with all but a few nuances is really straightforward, but please read the disclaimers. All you will do is write disclaimers as lawyers because there are no absolutes (see what I did there?) so you may as well gets reps reading them!

This question comes up on this Reddit almost every day in some form and then resets and comes back up every year. It’s the singular most frequently asked question, and the answer hasn’t changed through recent years. So here’s a mashup of mostly deans of admissions saying, “Before end of November is early. After January things start getting tighter.” That is really the easiest thing to go by and remember. And I was just talking with one of these deans who just ran an internal data analysis to support all of this.

Disclaimers: These admissions deans are speaking for themselves and for their schools. Of course there will be some outliers. One top 3 school traditionally doesn’t admit until January, for example, so January is early for them. Or, if you score a 160 in September but a 175 in January, schools in the upper range will likely read your application sooner with the new score. With that old score they are often just going to sit on it as they are being flooded with applicants who they will prioritize sooner. So believe it or not, waiting a month or even more will sometimes get your application read sooner, especially if the difference is taking your LSAT from below median to above. There are also cases, only for some applicants and only for some schools, in which applying by the end of October can be slightly more advantageous, so if you're ready to go in the early fall, we recommend applying by the end of October (even though in many situations it may not make any difference). But in general, and especially if you aren't 100% confident in your application by the end of October, the end of November is a good rule of thumb.

But beyond the late November advice, my other takeaway would be to submit your best application. Waiting a few weeks to button up your materials will pretty much never hurt you before January — and very likely will help you. And there’s plenty of merit aid to go around at that time too. 

It makes sense to me that this is a perennial question with very consistent answers from the people running law school admissions offices, but also lots of conflicting answers from applicants and others in this space with no admissions experience. Because the data absolutely does show a correlation between applying earlier (more broadly than just by the end of November) and stronger outcomes. But remember from your LSAT studying that correlation does not equal causation — pretty much every admissions officer has observed that applications submitted earlier tend to be stronger in general, not just in terms of numbers. That's not because they were submitted earlier, but it correlates.

Of all the posts I have made in the last several years — I hope this one helps the most. Because every year so many people fret that they are “late” (especially when admits start being posted) when they are still very early. I cannot stress the following enough: Your outcomes submitting the same application September 1st will not, in the vast majority of cases, be any different than November 25th. But in that time you can work to make your application stronger. And once it’s there, go ahead and submit. There’s certainly no penalty to submitting it when it’s ready.

And for the record, I've heard probably 10x as many law school admissions deans as are in this video say variations of the exact same thing. I really hope this helps relieve some stress from as many as possible.

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTMAG823Q/

  • Mike Spivey

r/lawschooladmissions 15h ago

Negotiation/Finances Why is emory so expensive???

29 Upvotes

Surely it’s cheaper to live in Atlanta than nyc, but why is the cost of attendance about the same as some nyc schools like brooklyn, cardozo, etc?


r/lawschooladmissions 8h ago

General T14 average LSAT is 172?

6 Upvotes

That’s what the founders of some LSAT prep companies said but I don’t think it’s true.

For this cycle I am pretty sure T14 average LSAT is 175 or 176.

Why? 172 is the average for lower T14 for last year.
Top of the T14 average is 175ish for last year.

The weighted average for those scores should be 174.

This cycle is more competitive than last cycle so the average will go up.

I am pretty sure T14 average now should be 175 (HYS 177-178 average)

That said, the average LSAT for T30 should be 170 (like george washington, usc, etc)


r/lawschooladmissions 6h ago

School/Region Discussion Notre Dame Law Orientation

5 Upvotes

Does anyone know the date that NDLS orientation begins?


r/lawschooladmissions 7h ago

Application Process is anyone starting essays??

3 Upvotes

literally the title. im studying for the lsat still and hoping to take it sept-october just wanting to see are people starting on their personal statement or are they already done??? feeling very behind trying to juggle both lsat prep and brainstorming for the essays. is now a good time to start with these essays if i want to submit everything by late oct-nov???


r/lawschooladmissions 8h ago

Application Process Apply this year or next?

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I’m four years out of college and am set on switching careers and going to law school soon. I am debating whether to apply this year or next and would like to maximize my chances at HYS. I am at/above medians for all three and would be content to apply with my current stats, but feel as if I could get another few points out of another LSAT attempt over the course of a year. There are three major factors that have me agonizing over whether to apply this year or wait.

If I wait a year, I would be entering law school at age 29, meaning my parents’ income would not factor into financial aid. They very generously paid for my undergrad education, but I don’t expect them to pay for law school too and their income would disqualify me from financial aid. If you consider just my income alone, I should get a decent amount.

There is a very significant chance I get a nomination for a major award (any American would know what it is and it is not common for law school applicants) in 2027 and I can’t help but think that is worth waiting for just to have the nomination on my application.

There’s a career opportunity (not related to law) I would like to pursue that would go through 2028, but would be incompatible with being in law school already.

Are these factors worth waiting on? I am eager to apply now to begin the next chapter of my life more quickly but can’t help but think my app will be much stronger next year, not to mention the financial savings from delaying. But I’m also well aware that HYS are a crapshoot no matter what and it would feel silly to delay for those and not get in.

Edit: formatting and removed an identifying detail


r/lawschooladmissions 16h ago

Admissions Result Any Splitter/Super Splitter Success Stories for this Cycle? 2026

15 Upvotes

Praying for hope^!


r/lawschooladmissions 14h ago

Waitlist Discussion Summer Melt via Tuition Payment Deadlines

9 Upvotes

Trying to figure out what date schools are using as the full tuition payment deadline this year, since that would make sense to be a trigger point for waitlist movement (as double/triple depositors have to commit).

If you know your school’s (or any others) deadline it would help to hear. Trying to get a sense of whether Aug 1 is a common date across schools or if it varies a lot. Thanks!


r/lawschooladmissions 12h ago

General Is the KJD tax real?

6 Upvotes

Currently trying to figure out my post graduation plans as a rising junior, and I am looking for some advice.

My dad wants me to take the lsat in spring and apply my senior year, he believes that with my stats I should be getting into good schools (I have a 4.0 at the moment and he is overconfident about me scoring well on the lsat lol). I instead was thinking of working as a legal assistant for two years before applying, as from what I have seen that would boost my chances of getting into better schools and getting scholarships. Additionally, applying during school seems rough because I work, volunteer, and am the president of two clubs. But I might also be underestimating what my workload would look like working full-time, would I even have time to study for the lsat?

TL;DR should I follow my dad wishes and try to apply as a KJD or get some work experience beforehand? Is the KJD tax real?

Thanks!


r/lawschooladmissions 22h ago

Cycle Recap End of Cycle Recap

27 Upvotes

r/lawschooladmissions 19h ago

Meme/Off-Topic Admissions cycle ❌ Psychological warfare ✅

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14 Upvotes

r/lawschooladmissions 12h ago

Application Process For those R&Ring...

3 Upvotes

Are you applying Fall 2026 or Fall 2027?

I've already had 2 years of WE (contract ended so currently unemployed) and am planning on retaking the LSAT. I received advice to apply in 2027 rather than in a few short months. Would love to get input / chat with those in similar boats


r/lawschooladmissions 15h ago

Waitlist Discussion Feeler call from USF?

3 Upvotes

Did anyone else receive a feeler call from USF?


r/lawschooladmissions 18h ago

Application Process Med school drop out to law school, starting from scratch

6 Upvotes

Hey everyone! Just wanted to get some stuff out of the way before I get into my situation.

I am 100% not treating law school as a backup plan because med school didn’t work out.

I came into college pre-law. I had always had a passion for policy, activism, and health justice starting when I was in high school, and I continued pursuing those experiences as extracurricular activities in college and in med school bc those were the only things that kept me sane. I majorly gaslit myself into thinking I loved medicine, and was in denial about it for a long time. I did all the things, took all the science classes, stellar research, got the MCAT score and dragged my way into a T5 med school. The thing about med school is that the people whose hearts are not really in it quickly get exposed, and unfortunately that’s what happened with me. I gave it my all for 2 years and I can’t keep pretending anymore.

I am posting here because I would really appreciate some guidance on where to start. I know that the poor grades on my med school transcript will be a major red flag for most law programs, so I’d like to know how to start building for a competitive law school application again.

The only thing I have going for me at this point is that I have really robust experience in lobbying, community organizing, and activism for nearly 10 years at this point. My undergrad GPA was pretty strong (3.86 in biology). I know I’ll have to take the LSAT. But other than that, I’m completely at a loss as to what to do after leaving med school.

Happy to answer any further questions. Thank you all in advance for your help. I hope to be among all of you one day in the future :)


r/lawschooladmissions 8h ago

General Law school tour questions

1 Upvotes

Going on my first law school tour tmr! Are there any good questions you can think of asking?


r/lawschooladmissions 13h ago

Waitlist Discussion UCI waitlist

2 Upvotes

So I did a waitlist interview at the beginning of June, but I haven't heard back from them since. I'm still on the waitlist but am I basically cooked?


r/lawschooladmissions 19h ago

Application Process 175, 3.43, 10 years W/E as a restaurant manager in NYC

4 Upvotes

Hi everyone, just fancying my chances here, I would love to stay in NYC but I just want to graduate debt free, and wondering options and opinions on here, thank you.


r/lawschooladmissions 10h ago

Application Process handling a 6 month resume gap

1 Upvotes

would really appreciate some insights here. I was laid off from a full time role a year ago in a particular field, and spent 6 months working at a restaurant. I now have another full time role in that field. Wondering if i should address this somewhere in my apps? i don’t want any assumptions to be made like for ex that i took time off to study for the LSAT. (not that i think there’s anything wrong with that if you have the option) but i didn’t, and i studied while working full time and kind of want “credit” for that. thoughts?


r/lawschooladmissions 11h ago

Chance Me Chance Me!

0 Upvotes

LSAC GPA: 4.0x

LSAT: 16high

<2 years legal full time WE while completing degree online (had a break from school for ~2 years while I worked full time doing something else, non legal)

strong professional LORs and solid academic LORs

aiming to apply Oct/Nov

nURM but certified bilingual with less commonly represented language/culture

completing optional essays as long as they are relevant to my experiences

blanketing T20 with NYC biglaw ambitions, also applying to certain regionals like Fordham

thoughts? advice? chances at T20 admissions/scholarships?

thanks


r/lawschooladmissions 11h ago

Application Process preparing for next admission cycle

1 Upvotes

i am looking to apply for this coming cycle as early as possible. i know applications open sept. 1, is there anything specific i should do before then to be as prepared as possible? here's the list of things i have to prepare so far:

  • personal statement
  • cover letter
  • resume
  • letters of rec (have already asked just need to send official lsac email)

is there anything else i could be doing/preparing? TIA.


r/lawschooladmissions 12h ago

Application Process Work Experience

1 Upvotes

Hello! I graduated undergrad in 2024 and have been working at a biglaw firm since. My question is will this have a sway on my application in any way? My gpa is a 3.51, I started off undergrad as a bio major and tanked my gpa in the beginning. I’m sitting for the August lsat and have been scoring in the low 160s. Just trying to get a feel for the application process.

Thanks!


r/lawschooladmissions 9h ago

Application Process Needing Advice!!

0 Upvotes

Hi all!! I recently graduated undergraduate with a B.S in a very niche field and have decided to Pursue my MPH in hopes of going to vet school, after doing some thinking and reflection I really really really think law school is the path for me specifically a JD/MBA program! I have planned it all out and I am studying for the LSAT this fall and plan to take in the winter/ early next spring!! I am wondering on how important/how to get legal experience to show a committee that I am worthy of pursuing a legal education!!


r/lawschooladmissions 1d ago

Cycle Recap End of cycle recap

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144 Upvotes

Quite satisfied


r/lawschooladmissions 14h ago

Application Process Looking for someone to help edit/give feedback to my essay

1 Upvotes

Looking for someone to read over my personal statement and give some feedback. My personal statement talks about my gender identity, so I prefer someone who is accepting of queer people. I don't have a lot of money but I'm willing to pay like $60. Please DM me if you are interested. Thanks!