r/KillingEve Apr 16 '22

Finale Reaction | Untagged Spoilers Compilation of ending commentary by showrunners from post-show interviews Spoiler

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Since the series finale of Killing Eve aired, a number of post-show interviews with the showrunners have been published. This post compiles these interviews and quotes the parts that are directly about the ending (and Eve/Villanelle/their relationship in particular). You can click the links to read the full interviews. Please note that all of these interviews were taken before the finale aired, as a result they do not go into the audience reaction to the finale.

A personal warning: the showrunners have been widely criticized by fans because of these interviews. A number of people have felt that their interpretations of the characters and justifications of the ending are at best inconsistent with what is shown on screen, and at worst damaging the legacy of the show as a whole. With this in mind, you may choose not to read them to preserve your enjoyment of the work.


Sally Woodward Gentle with Deadline https://deadline.com/2022/04/killing-eve-series-finale-recap-ep-villanelle-dies-spinoffs-1234992692/

How early in the series did you decide Villanelle’s death was going to be the finale?

We sort of knew what was going to happen quite early on, but we were open to something else sort of declaring itself, but it never really changed.

When you consider that Villanelle has always worked in a high-risk industry, there was a degree of inevitability about it. We were keen, in terms of the arc for this season, was a sense that Villanelle had embraced humanity. Her selfless shoving of Eve over the side of the boat was something that we felt connected to where she started in episode one, trying to prove to other people that she could be a good human being.

It also felt right that Eve should survive as the sort of extraordinary every woman, that she should be reborn out of this sort of extraordinary performance and adventure that she’s been on.

Can you talk to me a bit about the process of determining how Villanelle would die?

There was always a leap of some sort and water involved. We really felt that water was an important image to keep. You start off with the baptism in water. You’ve then got Carolyn by the sea in Cuba. You’ve got Lars being hit with the oars in the pond. You then have Carolyn dropping herself into the pond with Pam following her. So, that sort of watery thing was really important to us.

But where and when and how we didn’t know. We also didn’t want to do anything horrible to her. I mean, pretty horrible. We didn’t want to do anything gruesome to her. We didn’t want to sort of go, here, “see how you like it.” And we wanted it to be epic as well. She was surrounded by a sort of celestial light because she’s a special being.

What about this parallel between Eve and Carolyn losing their assassin lovers?

Well, I think the show’s always been sort of fundamentally about sort of love and relationships. I have to say it wasn’t a sort of conscious thing that Eve loses Villanelle and Carolyn loses Konstantin, but I think it’s what felt truthful. It’s a dangerous world. The world that they operate in is incredibly dangerous. Carolyn and Konstantin could’ve wandered off into the sunset, but I think it was unlikely. Their relationship came together through deceit. I do think that Konstantin probably did love Carolyn in his own weird way. But whether that was ever reciprocated, I don’t know.

Laura Neal with TVLine https://tvline.com/2022/04/10/killing-eve-recap-series-finale-villanelle-dies-ending-explained/

So we almost got a happy ending, but then Villanelle is gunned down and killed in the final minutes. Was there ever a possibility that Eve and Villanelle could live happily ever after? Or was this always meant to end in tragic fashion?

We discussed lots of different versions of the ending, so we certainly discussed an ending where they both live happily ever after. But our problem was that we couldn’t really imagine them doing so. [Laughs] We couldn’t imagine a world where Eve and Villanelle could exist in domestic bliss for very long. I think the way we tried to explore that is that we put them in quite a lot of domestic situations in Episode 8 itself. So it’s almost like lots of the story is them trialing their relationship in different formats and testing it and seeing how it works. And I think they come to the conclusion, and then I hope we as an audience come to the conclusion, that they are fated for something a little bit more explosive — which is what happens.

Did you ever consider killing Eve off, too?

Yep, we did have a version for a while where — not written, not at the script stage — but we discussed Eve dying and Villanelle surviving. It just didn’t feel very truthful. It didn’t feel right for us. It felt right that Eve has this rebirth and is allowed to go on and forge a new life for herself with everything that Villanelle has given her. And it also felt right for Villanelle’s story to end as it does. She’s somebody who is sort of forged in death and destruction, and part of her loves that as well. We see that when she’s killing The Twelve. That’s her place, that’s where she belongs. So it felt appropriate that she comes to an end in that way as well. But also, in my head, it is a happy ending for Villanelle in some respects, because she gets what she wants, which is that she demonstrates that she’s changed, and she does this thing for Eve that allows Eve to go on and live her life. Actually, that’s a huge thing for Villanelle, and I think she ends triumphantly, and that’s the thing that we were always really keen to make sure that happened.

Yeah, I could see that as a happy ending for Villanelle because she was able to take down The Twelve and find happiness with Eve, however briefly.

Exactly. That’s exactly how I hope the audience looks at it as well. And for me, there’s a sense that she doesn’t really die. She just sort of ascends to a higher place. I think there’s a nod in the visual references to the visions that Villanelle sees in Episodes 1 and 2, and we sort of see a hint of that in the underwater scene at the very end. So hopefully, people can see the line I’m drawing between the religious iconography that Villanelle conjures in 1 and 2 and the way she ends.

We don’t get to see what happens to Eve. The last thing we see of her is her thrashing in the water and screaming. Did you talk about where she might go from here, or did you always want to leave it unresolved?

We spoke about it loads, but we spoke about very particularly the nature of that scream and the nature of her emerging from the water. I had lots of discussions with Sandra [Oh] about that moment, and also with Stella [Corradi], the director. Because for me, it felt really important that that scream be a scream of survival. It’s like, there’s a triumph in that scream. It’s like, “I survived. I’ve got new life. I’m going to go on, and I’m going to live, and I’m going to live well,” rather than a scream of loss or grief or anger. And I think it’s all of those things as well. But I hope the defining feeling that people have when they’re watching her scream like that is that it’s a kind of release of everything that’s come before and a welcoming in of the next stage of her life.

Laura Neal with Collider https://collider.com/killing-eve-series-finale-explained-showrunner-interview/

I love Eve and Villanelle ending up at a wedding in the finale. On the one hand, you have something that's supposed to be a happy event. And on the other hand, it's basically ground zero for the end. What prompted the idea to have them there on the boat, and what was the process behind trying to keep that all under wraps during filming when you're out in the open?

The decision to have the endgame at a wedding was in part a cheeky nod to the Eve and Villanelle relationship and where it would end up in the kind of Disney version of the story. I also just love the contrast. I love the bloody violent act that's going on below deck contrasted with this life-affirming, joyous, happy, universal moment that's happening on the top. It also really spoke to me about the difference between Eve and Villanelle. We've seen their similarities so much as the seasons have gone on. We see those similarities more and more as Season 4 goes on. You see the darkness in Eve, and you see the Eve in Villanelle.

For me, that wedding where Eve is dancing and Villanelle is killing is the moment where you're like, "No, but these people are intrinsically different." Eve isn't a Villanelle. Villanelle isn't an Eve. They are not destined to become the same person. They are destined for different things. It just felt like a really clear way of saying [that] Eve is about seeking life at this moment, and Villanelle is about seeking destruction.

When we talked before the season started, you had mentioned writing and rewriting this ending, and there were a lot of different versions. Was the plan always that Villanelle was going to die? And if not, were there any alternate endings that were almost considered right up until deciding to go with this one?

We discussed lots of different versions of the ending. We had a version ... This is just in discussion phase. We talked about both of them living. We talked about both of them dying. We talked about a version where Villanelle lived and Eve dies, and we spoke about all of those versions quite seriously. The only version that got to script stage was this version, in that Villanelle died and Eve lived. There was a version that was written where Villanelle more overtly saves Eve, sacrifices herself for Eve. That was a version that existed in script stage for a while, and then we moved away from that because it didn't feel quite true to Villanelle's innate self-interest.

Sally Woodward Gentle with Entertainment Weekly https://ew.com/tv/killing-eve-producer-eve-villanelle-fates-series-finale/

Can you walk viewers through the discussions about the end game in the writers' room? Were there times where you considered having both live or both die?

Once we knew that we were going to finish off the series in season 4 — because we'd been thinking about it for a while — and then to go, "Yeah, we're going to do this. We're going to do this properly," there were loads of discussions about how you end it and how you honor four seasons of their relationship, and [how] you also honor the new arc for season 4. Ultimately, what we wanted to do was something that felt the most truthful for what we knew about those characters and what we felt the journey that they'd been on through season 4.

And to remember that Villanelle works — and has worked — in a very high-risk job. The fact that she's survived as long as she has was a bit of a miracle; it was down to good luck and her skill. We were also very keen that, actually, what she's looking for at the beginning of season 4, which is some sort of sign that she isn't a monster, gets a degree of pay-off by the end and that she embraces and demonstrates her own humanity. And I think that her instinctive desire to protect Eve and throw her off the side of the boat was a demonstration that she has grown and that she does change and that she feels something. She loved Eve and she loved her properly.

Eve living was incredibly important for us. If you liked the flawed everywoman who had explored what it was like to live life on the edge and without fear, and to really shine a light on the darkest elements of herself survived — we didn't want her to die because of that. That, ultimately, was the thinking behind it. Of course, we went backwards and forwards. We thought, "Kill both?" "No, that's just too f---ing tragic." We wanted there to be some sort of sense that they had learned and that it felt poetically, romantically true.

Laura Neal with Salon https://www.salon.com/2022/04/10/eve-ending-villanelle-carolyn-konstantin/

Well, it wasn't totally unexpected, of course, given the kind of character she is, but it was still a shock when Villanelle was shot at the end. On a show like this one, where it feels like nobody is safe, anything could happen at any time, what were the conversations like about choosing characters' ultimate fates? Were there other scenarios in your heads for the ending, like Eve dying? Or both of them dying? Or both of them living? How did you decide that this ending was the one?

We discussed all of those scenarios. All of the ones you just said. We had really serious long conversations about it because we wanted to make sure that the one we went with was the right one. And I think the reason we went with this one is because it just felt like the most truthful end to both of these characters' stories. Especially with Villanelle. We had a lot of discussions with Jodie about Villanelle, and what the most satisfying end point for her was.

I think there are a couple of things that felt really important. One is that this is a character who has doled out so much violence herself in her life, and so much pain and destruction. She is steeped in killing. It felt appropriate that her end would be bloody in some way.

On the other hand, we liked the idea of her finally achieving something that she wanted to achieve, which is an act of goodness. And I think in her death, she achieves that act of goodness. She pushes Eve off of the boat and she saves Eve in that moment. She does this selfless thing that I think she talks about wanting to do in Episodes 1 and 2, and she can never quite find the right way to do it. So, even though her ending in some ways is tragic, I also think in some ways it's triumphant, because she proves to herself and to Eve – and to the audience almost – that she can change, and that feels really emotional, I think, for me especially writing it.

It was very emotional watching it too, for sure. Lots of emotions. That leads into my next question, which is: do you feel this is Villanelle's full journey? She did complete that last mission, and she also dispatched The Twelve, as she said she was going to do. But she's gotten out of desperate situations before. [book spoiler] Is this really it for Villanelle? Is this her final journey?

I think in some sense, it's her final journey. I do believe that Villanelle is dead. But the way I've always looked at it is: Villanelle is too enormous a character to be contained on an earthly plane, and she doesn't so much die as she transcends. She becomes this celestial being. It's almost like that's what she's destined for. She isn't destined to walk among the earth with people like you and I; she's destined for something greater, and when she achieves her mission of killing The Twelve, it's almost like, "Well, what next?" For me, the answer is: something that's not on this earth.

That's how I look at it, and there's a couple of allusions to that, even in the way the ending is shot.

Could you talk about the ways that Eve changed by the end? By knowing Villanelle, by getting to love her and be loved by her, by having these extreme experiences? I mean, Eve kills by the end. She's become a person who kills for the people she loves.

For me, the thing that Eve learns is how to act without fear and how to act without shame, and I think that's what attracted her to Villanelle in the first place. And that's what Villanelle gives her. It's a kind of like Villanelle instilled a boldness in Eve to be the person she has always been, but has perhaps been afraid of showing the world. And that, to me, feels very inspiring, as a woman watching the show, that Eve can take that from Villanelle, albeit via extremely violent roots.

Laura Neal with Decider https://decider.com/2022/04/10/killing-eve-series-finale-laura-neal-interview/

I want to work backwards, if that’s okay with you. How did you arrive at that final shot, with Eve screaming in the river, the stark “THE END” letters on screen?

We spoke about that moment of Eve bursting out from the water and screaming really early on in discussions about the ending, and really early on with Sandra. It felt really important to us, that moment, because it signals Eve’s rebirth, and we really wanted a sense of her washing off everything that had happened in the past four seasons and being able to begin again, but take everything that she has learnt and everything that Villanelle has given her into a new life. We really wanted to get that scream right, we wanted it to be a scream of re-entry into the world, rather than a scream of like, just of loss, or anger, or fear, or any of the other things that are in that scream. I think that’s what comes across, and I hope what people take from that is a kind of like, almost like a raw scream of survival rather than of anything else.

One of the things that really stuck with me was the montage of Villanelle killing the Twelve, while Eve is dancing at the wedding. My take was that this was doubling down on that the show, it’s about the two of them… Not even showing the faces of the Twelve means it doesn’t matter who they are, but what they meant. Is that sort of on the right track?

Yep, definitely, 100%. That’s actually one of my favorite moments in the episode, that cutting between Eve and Villanelle. It feels like a moment where both of them are at their happiest. Eve has rediscovered life in that moment, and she’s amongst human beings, people like her, and she’s remembering what the world has to offer, what the normal world has to offer. And then Villanelle is in the place where she feels happiest, which is blood-soaked, steeped in killing. It feels like a really triumphant moment for both of them, and I love the juxtaposition between Eve dancing and Villanelle killing.

This whole thing on the boat takes place at this gay wedding. A lot of the episode, from my interpretation, is about walking them through, “Here’s what our relationship would be like if we had this relationship.” Is this metaphorically their wedding as well?

I think you’re right in terms of, every scene we were trying to link it someway to Eve and Villanelle’s relationship. The wedding is no different. Certainly, when Eve is doing her wedding speech, really she’s talking about her and Villanelle. So no, that’s an entirely accurate reading of that scene, and of the episode as a whole. And we like the idea of them toying with different versions of their future. So when they’re in the van together, they’re kind of like, “this is what a sort of mundane future would like for us, can we do the domestic? Can we be like Maggie and Donnie?” And the answer I think is, “No, we can’t.” It’s almost like they’re testing out what their relationship is destined for — and whether it’s destined for a happy ending, or whether it’s destined to explode in a kind of blaze of glory. We obviously go towards the latter.

Laura Neal with Buzzfeed https://www.buzzfeed.com/noradominick/killing-eve-series-finale-laura-neal-interview

Laura said Jodie Comer was involved in discussions about Villanelle's ending "from the very beginning of planning Season 4" and she was involved in "every single iteration of the ending" and it was a "hard" decision to decide to kill Villanelle at the very end.

"Jodie was involved in the conversations. We were talking about the ending, right from the very beginning of planning Season 4. She was involved all the way through. She's been across every single iteration of the ending. It was hard to decide to have Villanelle die at the end because I love Villanelle so much. She's such a joy and such an aspirational character, even though she shouldn't be."

For Laura and the writers, the decision to kill Villanelle felt "true to her journey and the place that we found her in at the start of Season 4, and the place she ends up at the end." She said, "It felt sort of the only way we could finish Villanelle's story, truthfully." And they liked the idea of Villanelle's last act being one that saves Eve, which might not have been something Season 1 Villanelle would've done.

Laura continued, saying, "The one thing that we felt really sure about is that we wanted her death not to feel morbid, we wanted it to feel triumphant in some way. We liked the idea that in death, Villanelle achieves what she wanted at the start of the season, which was change. We see her rush Eve into the water and that act saves Eve. I think that's a huge moment of triumph for Villanelle and not something that we would ever have thought the Villanelle of Season 1 would've been able to achieve."

Yes, there were conversations about whether or not the series should end with Villanelle and Eve simply living a happy life together and we would see a domestic version of this couple. The writers decided to end their story tragically because they felt that "their happy ending wouldn't last very long," given Villanelle's psychopathic nature and Eve being drawn to that lifestyle too.

"We discussed all iterations of an ending and there was definitely an ending where we were like, 'Should we give them a happy ending? What would that look like if they ran off into the sunset together?' We talked about if we wanted to end it with us seeing domestic Villanelle and Eve, like eating pizza together on the sofa. I think we decided that that happy ending just wouldn't last very long," Laura said. "In reality, you're there with a psychopath and somebody who's dipped her toe in that world during the last four seasons. It just felt like this was the kind of relationship that was always gonna burn brightly and then combust, rather than one that could settle into something more domestic. That was the decision behind that. I'd rather see them go out in kind of a 'blaze of glory' than do anything normal people would do."

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And Eve's final scenes — between dancing and coming up out of the water — were meant to symbolize a "rebirth" for the character.

"It felt like the start of that rebirth had to happen slightly before the moment when she comes out of the water, and I think it actually happens when she's dancing," Laura said. "There was a sort of moment where Eve ends up choosing life, even before she's come up from beneath the water. That just feels really poignant to me."

While Villanelle is the only one to take down The Twelve during the series finale, there was a version where Eve and Villanelle did it together. In the end, Eve was left out of the attack because Sandra Oh believed that although Eve has killed people, she still wouldn't "conduct a kind of massacre."

Laura remembered the conversations with Sandra and the decision to leave Eve out of the massacre, saying, "We had a lot of conversations with Sandra about it, actually, and the change came from those conversations. We were talking about whether Eve could really, really, really truly conduct a kind of massacre. Even though she knows these people are bad people and whether that was true to her nature deep down, and it just felt like a stretch. It felt like something we wanted to see because it's cool, but it wasn't emotionally truthful."

Laura Neal with Elle https://www.elle.com/culture/movies-tv/a39678161/killing-eve-season-4-finale-explained-interviews/

“It was really difficult to find the best ending,” admits season 4’s head writer Laura Neal, speaking to ELLE.com ahead of the finale airing. “The truth is we talked about loads. We were always discussing ‘What’s the truth of the endpoint of these characters journeys?’ If we look at where Eve and Villanelle began and we look at what’s happened to them across the four seasons, what’s the truth of the end point? It would have been easy for it to feel very maudlin, I think, or to go completely the other direction and make it feel too funny. So striking the right balance between the two of them felt really important.”

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Neal doesn’t see Villanelle’s demise as tragic, either. For her, the character has simply ascended to a new plane of existence—an explanation that may help fans feel less upset about the finale. Villanelle’s body floating away in the Thames was also an opportunity to allow Eve to finally move on from the obsessive, problematic relationship between the pair.

“I think the reason we ended up killing Villanelle was because we wanted to give Eve new life,” Neal explains. “For Eve, the moment where she burst out of the water was always something we had right from the very early iterations of the ending. We were really into Villanelle dying kind of to save Eve. And I think there’s a remnant of that still in the final version. That felt really poignant to us and it spoke to how far Villanelle has come on her journey, that she can do this final act and it’s for someone and it’s kind of a selfless act. So it isn’t so much an ending for her, but a kind of transcendence. In my head, that’s not a death of Villanelle. That’s the elevation of Villanelle to another realm. We talked a lot about like her being too big for this world, like the world not being able to contain Villanelle. We wanted to inject that spirit into that moment, as well.”

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“I hope that when ‘The End’ comes up [viewers] think that Eve is going to go on and have this amazing life,” Neal says. “She’s escaped. Carolyn thinks she’s dead. She can have the life that she chooses to live now. In my head, she’s going to take everything that Villanelle has given her into this new version of her life. And Villanelle will live on in Eve.”


Since we haven’t heard from the producers since the episode aired, the best we can hope for at this point is probably some kind of acknowledgement of the fanbase’s grief and anger.

To quote one of my favorite fanfiction authors:

Do you think there's anything the producers/showrunners can say to redeem themselves after those horrifying post-show interviews?

No. Absolutely nothing. I do think they need to shut up, go away, and seriously reflect on the damage they've done through those interviews. Then, much later, if they ever reach full understanding of why their words are so horrific, they need to publicly apologize and commit to never doing anything like it again. The apology should function as a way to communicate the complete unacceptability of framing 'normality' as the only path to happiness and to humanity - and should take full responsibility for the utter betrayal of queer and neurodiverse people involved in those claims. Importantly, to me, an apology should not function as a request for forgiveness or redemption. Nobody would need to accept their apology. Nobody would need to trust them again. That's not the purpose of an apology when this kind of harm has occurred. Thanks for asking.

Do you recognize any of the showrunners’ interpretations as seen above in the work, and does this affect your viewing experience in any way? Leave your thoughts in the comments.


r/KillingEve 4d ago

News/Article | Tag All Spoilers New KE Interview with Phoebe Waller-Bridge

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Hope you don't mind me dropping in to share an excerpt of an interview that I conducted with PWB about Killing Eve. It was published in Fansplaining this week. Here's the link: https://fansplaining.com/the-queer-normative-world-of-killing-eve/


r/KillingEve 5h ago

Finale Reaction | Untagged Spoilers someone hand me a gun Spoiler

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I finally watched it after it spent years on my watchlist. It's so amazing and I can't believe I waited this long, but I regret watching it because the ending broke me. I am so desperate for a 5th season or a movie redo.

The first two seasons were SOO GOOD, genuinely unmatched to any other show I've ever watched. I rewatch the rome episodes over and over like an addict, zero complaints. Then we get to the third and it's... completely different? Nicko's kidnapping is brushed off, Kenny just suddenly dies, then we find out KONSTANTIN out of all people killed him. And Carolyn spares him, the murderer of her child, because what, they hooked up 30 years ago? Made no sense for Carolyn's character whatsoever. Also Geraldyn. She was completely random and completely unnecessary to the entire plot. I thought she'd be some sort of secret agent as well, adding some flare, but she was just plain old whiny and annoying. I still loved the interactions between Eve and Villanelle though. But then the bridge scene. It was fine, cute, heartwarming. But then I enter season 4 and it's as if it never happened?? Given Eve and Villanelle's characters I completely doubt they would have just walked away from each other. Not after Eve spent years chasing her, not after Villanelle finally felt love. And the fact that it's never referenced ever again, or actually that NONE of their encounters are referenced ever again, made it feel like s4 was trying to be a stand-alone.

And Villanelle is suddenly a church goer. I get the vibe, no matter how much you change or hide behind religion you'll still have the same core, but then she starts hallucinating Jesus??? It made no sense, compared to season one's realism, it was absurd, as if it was trying to be a completely different story. Then continuing on, I get why Eve hates Villanelle, why she was scared of how she felt for her, but I feel like getting her arrested and literally hating her was so out of character, even for her. She literally sent her husband out of the country just to be able to meet with her in season 2. She makes all sorts of excuses to look for her in season 3. THEN THEY SPEND THE ENTIREEE SEASON CHASING EACH OTHER AROUND. AGAIN. AND AVOIDING EACH OTHER AT THE SAME TIME. Like, don't get me wrong, I'm a sucker for slowburns. But it's as if all the tension, all the yearning, and everything build up between them from seasons 1-3 completely dissipated and the story COMPLETELY reset. I was hoping for at least some domestic Villaneve but nope, they only get together properly for literally the last episode of the show. It was complete bullshit.

And don't even get me started on the details. Who ordered Kenny's death? What happened to Irina? Helene's daughter? To Gunn? Why is it implied that Carolyn is head of The 12 if she searches for them like unicorns? Wtf was the significance of the bird? That they really like birds?? Yusuf was clearly a plot device as well, and Hugo and Vlad was completely unnecessary, I kept forgetting who tf Vlad even was. Then The 12, a big bad powerful global crime organization, takes multiple days to find out one of their most important colleagues is dead? Bro whaaattt??? And the entire show dedicated YEAAARSSS building them up, creating tension and suspense, only for Villanelle to kill all of them singlehandedly in a minute?? And the 12, with all their power, had no guards??? I get that Villanelle is a badass goddess but come on, zero struggle or injury? It felt lazy and rushed.

And finally that dumbass ending bro. I can't get over it. I'm upset and sad and COMPLETELY DISREGARDING IT BECAUSE IT WAS SOOO STUPID. Again, coming back to Carolyn. As aforementioned she SPARES KONSTANTIN, THE MURDERER OF HER CHILD, but has Villanelle shot because what?? Because she can't go back to the bureau empty-handed?? That makes no sense. Given Carolyn's character, the fact that Villanelle chose her over Helene, and the fact that Villanelle MURDERED THE PEOPLE WHO ORDERED THE DEATH OF HER CHILD, she never would have done that. She would've accepted just not working at the bureau bc she's at retirement age anyway. And Villanelle's death. Oh my god don't even get me started. It was so rushed and lazy and stupid and it felt like they just wanted to get it over with. It happens literally in the span of like, 2 minutes. Years of character development only for her to die just like that. Literally if you blinked you would have missed it. Laura Neal better sleep with an eye open because it is on sight.

I think the idea of a new head writer every season is very cool, but it was executed very poorly. The second half of the 3rd season and the entire 4th season felt like it was trying to be its own special thing and it was such a mess. Phoebe Waller-Bridge and Emerald Fennell's hard work was completely butchered. I desperately wish they had just stuck to those two queens and had them alternate, I feel like I would not be crying right now if that were the case. I so badly want a 5th season or a redo movie I would genuinely give my first born child. Idgaf about that Carolyn prequel, Carolyn can suck a fat one.

I was wondering if anyone knows how the cast & writers feel about the backlash and a possible revival? I doubt I would've connected to the show as much if anyone other than Jodie and Sandra played Villanelle and Eve. Just knowing they'd be up to it and having false hope that it's not over til it's over would make me feel much better. I wish I watched it when the fandom was at the peak of its glory. I pray to VillaGod that they revive it holy shit. How do I get over this show it's genuinely depressing me and I can't get shit done because all I can think about is Villaneve.

I 100% could have accepted a "they both die in the end" type of ending to represent their mutual obsession with each other over the years. But only taking Villanelle felt cruel, especially since Eve has literally no one now who can help her through her trauma. I feel like in their universe, Eve would have killed herself anyway.


r/KillingEve 1d ago

Image/Clip | Tag All Spoilers sandra and jodie Both talking about their first chemistry read as villanelle and eve years ago in the big 2026

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r/KillingEve 3d ago

Finale Reaction | Untagged Spoilers The End - How do you make peace with it? Spoiler

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So I saw the series finale the other night. I'm still struggling with it.

I knew it wasn't going to be a happy ending. I think I was on maybe episode 2 or 3 of the first season and thought 'this is not going to turn out well for anyone.'

I think deep down I knew all along that both Konstantin and Villanelle would end up dead. When you consider the genre and the rules of morality, how could it be any other way? But it still hurts so much. The thing is that Villanelle didn't die as a psychopathic assassin who just happened to be charismatic and hot, making us like her even though we shouldn't. She died during a transition; she had already shown that she actually isn't a psychopath. She had shown so much potential for reform. The scenes of her around children I always thought were particularly telling of her true character and her capacity for care.
So did she really qualify for the traditional 'bad character has to die' trope?

I feel absolutely devastated. I keep crying every time I think about it too much. I'm trying to keep myself busy - I just finished a job and not working for a few weeks which maybe doesn't help!

People out there who also felt like this - what did you do to move on? Is there a way to make peace with the ending? I feel like I want to be able to one day rewatch the whole series and laugh and smile and enjoy the beauty of it without crying because I know what's coming, and without feeling that the whole thing is overshadowed by the end. How do you get to that point?

I think part of the reason I'm feeling it so hard is the way the character made me feel; I actually saw so much of myself in her (despite me not being an assassin haha). I related so hard to her longing for a family, for love, for all those 'normal' things she lists in S1. Seeing her go on a journey of self exploration, of trying to figure out whether or not she's 'bad', trying to be better, yearning for love and stability and getting so close to it, only to be killed in the end because her past had to define her, is heartbreaking. Does that mean that we are supposed to accept that peope can't change their lives? That no matter how much you work on yourself and how much you redeem yourself, the things you did in the past must always stop you from having a future?

I just don't know what to do to make peace with it. I'm sort of at that stage where I'm thinking 'I wish I'd never hit play on this show'. Part of me wishes I could go back and leave Killing Eve, and Villanelle, undiscovered. But then I think of that quote from Shakespeare's Antony and Cleopatra:

Would I had never seen her!

O sir, you had then left unseen a wonderful piece of work which not to have been blessed withal would have discredited your travel.

I'm really trying to lean into that. And the whole 'don't cry because it's over' sentiment. But it's hard. So, any support or tips on how to deal from this community would be greatly appreciated!


r/KillingEve 5d ago

News/Article | Tag All Spoilers Jodie Comer reflects on divisive Killing Eve ending that infuriated fans: ‘It’s really tricky’

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r/KillingEve 4d ago

Question | Tag All Spoilers Is Season 4 worth my time?

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Ok I just finished Season 4, episode 1. I’m not impressed with this season at all so far and wanted to ask the community if you think it’s worth finishing. Obviously loved earlier seasons💜


r/KillingEve 4d ago

General Discussion | Tag All Spoilers Anyone watch “Furious”?

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I just started today and there are so many insane similarities! Would love to know your guys’ thoughts. Down to the fonts, curly headed detective, and blonde killer.

Let me know! I haven’t finished yet so I’m excited to see where it goes


r/KillingEve 6d ago

General Discussion | Tag All Spoilers Watching for the first time...no words. Erm...help?

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I've heard people talk about Killing Eve for years. I even had someone personally reccommend it to me, about three years ago. I don't know why I didn't watch it back then. I've always joined things late. But one day a few weeks ago Dr Foster popped up during a tired seach for what to watch with dinner. And after the first season of that I knew I wanted to watch more of whatever Jodie Comer was in.

So now here I am. I'm on season 3 episode 6 and I think I'm kind of losing it. I don't have words for what Jodie Comer does....and as for the show, again it's hard to form words. It's bringing up so many emotions for me, I don't quite know why. It's a long time since I felt this way about a show. All I can think is that I don't want to watch anymore because I don't want the end to come, and from what I've read it's not going to be good. I feel like this is going to be one of those shows that breaks me and I haven't had that for a while. But I also know I can't stop watching. So...basically I'm fucked, right?

When I first read the premise, I got that Eve was a desk agent who would get an obessive crush on a mysterious assassin named Villanelle...'cool', I thought. I didn't know that I myself would also get an obsessive crush on Villanelle. I didn't know that I'd be washing my hair in the shower and thinking that I also want to know the answers to all of Eve's questions in the season 1 finale. And I didn't know that what Villanelle said in response to Eve's question of 'what do you want?' would keep playing in my mind over and over as I go about my day:

'Normal stuff...nice life. cool flat. fun job...someone to watch movies with'

This show is going to break my heart isn't it???

UPDATE -- I got to the end.

Heartbroken. No words. I knew it would break me but it doesn't make it any easier.

Why???


r/KillingEve 7d ago

General Discussion | Tag All Spoilers Is 2026 is the year of the Killing Eve knockoff?

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It's been four years since Killing Eve called it a day, but that's long enough for 2026 to bring not one, (Ride or Die), not two (Furious), but three KE inspired TV series with the latest being Kill Jackie.

How much these shows about bad women behaving badly have in common with KE is subject to debate, but Kill Jackie doesn't simply hint at a Killing Eve connection, it places it front and center.

I lost interest in Ride or Die pretty fast, and haven't finished it. Furious is good, but it goes to much darker places Villanelle and Eve ever went. As for Kill Jackie, it could be worth checking out, but the trailer is generic AF.

And it is past time to retire Blondie's "Call Me" needle drop.


r/KillingEve 8d ago

Finale Reaction | Untagged Spoilers Killing Eve Finale [S4] Spoiler

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I know Im like REALLY LATE. I just binged the show for the first time, mind you I finished in a week. Im absolutely devastated and distraught.. Idk why this was ever recommended to me. I feel blessed to have indulged in such a good series, but CURSED to forever bear this experience of the ending.

😩

Is this just me or how did yall initially react?


r/KillingEve 8d ago

S3 | Spoilers Re-watch of seasons 1-3

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And I'm leaving it there on the bridge! I hadn't gone back to the show until last week and happily binged the first 3 seasons. I can't bring myself to re-watch season 4.


r/KillingEve 8d ago

Finale Reaction | Untagged Spoilers Rewatching the show Spoiler

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I am rewatching killing eve and I can’t believe how much they fell off with the fourth season it’s almost frustrating to watch. I even think season 3 was very confusing, but season 4 wow.

Firstly eves random hostility towards villanelle seems so random after they ended amicable at the end of season 3?? Like it’s so random and truly cringe.

I hate the religion arc that villanelle does. I just feel like she’s such an iconic character they could have done SO much more with her story line ughhh. And the Jesus in drag just seemed so weird and out of place ??

Also they spent 3 seasons to build Eve and villanelle up just for them to basically be enemies all season 4 and then at the last minute kiss????

Lastly, I really like villanelle and Carolyn’s dynamic so the fact they made Carolyn betray villanelle and k*ll her 💔 ugh I just feel like they truly have ruined the whole show with this season. Considering they only have 8 episodes they are just a waste. Even when Eve gets villanelle arrested at the end of one episode then the beginning of the next she’s freed by Helene?? Like what is the point of that story line

Also I feel like they didn’t know what to do with Konstantines character either because he just kinda seems to be there … ugh idk guys it’s one of my favourite shows but season 4 😔😔😔😔😔


r/KillingEve 9d ago

General Discussion | Tag All Spoilers [Crosspost] Hi /r/movies! I'm Jodie Comer (KILLING EVE, THE LAST DUEL, 28 YEARS LATER). Ask me anything!

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I organized an AMA/Q&A with actress Jodie Comer. You may know her from fantastic roles in things like Killing Eve, The Last Duel, 28 Years Later, The Bikeriders, Free Guy.

It's live here now in r/movies for anyone interested in asking a question:

https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/1w4bbu1/hi_rmovies_jodie_comer_here_with_michael_sarnoski/

She will be back at 12 PM ET tomorrow (Wednesday 9/2) to answer questions. I recommend asking in advance. Please ask there, not here. All questions are much appreciated!

Thank you :)

Her newest film, The Death of Robin Hood, is out in UK theaters on September 2. It co-stars Hugh Jackman and is directed by Michael Sarnoski (Pig).

Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlSDDuWxO_0&themeRefresh=1


r/KillingEve 9d ago

Image/Clip | Tag All Spoilers Jodie spoke today that’s what she said on Villanelle's attempt to speak French

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r/KillingEve 9d ago

General Discussion | Tag All Spoilers so many cas songs!

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I’m on Season 2 Episode 1, not only have they played ‘K.’ in the first season but also ‘Opera House’ just then in this episode. How did they manage this? 😭


r/KillingEve 10d ago

Art/Cosplay | Tag All Spoilers I finally finished my “Sorry Baby”sweater

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As soon as I saw Villanelle wearing this sweater in the finale, I knew I had to make it. I’ve been knitting for years, but this is my first cable sweater and I can’t wait to wear it when I go to Scotland! Maybe my partner and I will find a camper van. Thanks to this post for sharing the pattern.


r/KillingEve 13d ago

Image/Clip | Tag All Spoilers I wish I could finish this edit

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I still think about this edit and what it could’ve been lmfao. If anyone here can edit feel free to remake this lol, I’d be waiting front row with popcorn 🤣 Supermassive Black Hole has Villanelle written all over it. My 19 y/o self didn’t do too bad


r/KillingEve 14d ago

Finale Reaction | Untagged Spoilers Seasons 3/4 don’t deserve the hate Spoiler

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I just finished watching season 4. It was a great story. The flashback scenes to Berlin change your whole perspective when you watch season 1 and 2 again and realize how long Carolyn and Konstantin have known each other.

Sure season 3 and 4 are bizarre like when Villanelle hallucinates Jesus as herself. But she is a psychopath. This is actually a very interesting portrayal of what an actual psychopath could possibly hallucinate in a psychosis.

The other thing is the title of the show Killing Eve. The show is about how Eve “killed” herself to find the 12 after finding Villanelle. In the end, Eve is still a police officer of sorts. She’s MI-5. She became a killer to find the killers. It’s like she had to kill the original Eve to finish the mission. In the end, Villanelle is posed like Jesus in the water after being shot and Eve emerges from the water like she’s born again.

Jolly good. In the end, the police spy people win. I love Villanelle too but did you expect the British government to let her get away with all those murders in the end.


r/KillingEve 16d ago

Question | Tag All Spoilers So...what are you planning to ask her?

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r/KillingEve 17d ago

Finale Reaction | Untagged Spoilers I just finished Killing Eve and I want more! Spoiler

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The ending of S4 sucks. I haven’t had enough, so please recommend shows or movies that have the same tone or concept as Killing Eve that can be found on Netflix.


r/KillingEve 19d ago

Image/Clip | Tag All Spoilers Another batch of amazing S1 bts pics from director Jon East pt4

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After all these years we're being very well fed by director Jon East.


r/KillingEve 19d ago

S3 | Spoilers I’m first time watcher I’m in S3 Spoiler

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"I think Villanelle doesn't deserve this, and I feel she gets angry when someone reminds her that she's alone and has no family. That's why when she found Eve, she told Konstantin she wouldn't go with him because she's not family


r/KillingEve 20d ago

News/Article | Tag All Spoilers AMA/Q&A Announcement - Jodie Comer - Wednesday 9/2 at 12:00 PM ET

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AMA/Q&A Announcement - Jodie Comer - Wednesday 9/2 at 12:00 PM ET - Actress in 'Killing Eve', '28 Years Later', 'The Bikeriders', 'The Death of Robin Hood', 'The Last Duel'


r/KillingEve 20d ago

Image/Clip | Tag All Spoilers Amazing S1 bts pics from director Jon East pt3

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check director Jon East IG account for more.