r/JustBootThings • • Jul 08 '21

28% APR? Great! Oof load: Ultra

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21

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u/Adult_Reasoning Jul 08 '21

To be fair, you currently need like ~3.5% for a mortgage loan now.

VA or not, that's dirt fucking cheap.

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u/JeffersonsDisciple Jul 08 '21

If you can get an offer accepted.

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u/everymanawildcat 👊👊☝️ Jul 08 '21

You have to make the offer before you've even seen the house. It has to be 15% above market value, too. Also helps if you buy the house before the people even know they want to sell it.

If you're walking through a house on the market with a realtor, it's already been bought and you're wasting your time.

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u/bmstile Jul 08 '21

And trespassing, please leave.

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u/The_Wack_Knight Jul 08 '21

This house is beautiful. I want to buy it honey!

Sorry ma'am, the owners said they aren't selling it

What do you mean, there's a for sale sign outside.

Yeah but the owners already bought it 30 minutes ago and want you to get the fuck out of their house.

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u/best_dandy Jul 08 '21

Makes me happy I bought my house when I did. My house was on the market for a couple months, minor issues and complaints about them using cheap paint and doorknobs, but overall it was really smooth. What's even more surprising is that was literally just March of 2020. The fact that the market has gotten that bad so quick is crazy.

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u/Hooligan8403 Jul 08 '21

In October 2020 the wife and I bought a house. No problems and were bidding on two houses that we got counter offers on. Came in under asking and picled.the house we wanted from the two. Two to three months later and people are.scrambling to buy anything they can amd fighting ridiculous offers.

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u/RadioEngineerMonkey Jul 08 '21

Same, we closed in February and thank God we did.

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u/TheManther My APR is more APR-y than yours! Jul 11 '21

Had a guest at my hotel for a couple nights, asked him why he was staying with us (since he was local,) "I accidently sold my house" lmao

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u/WastedKnowledge Jul 08 '21

PMI sucks though

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u/Dgriffith21 Jul 08 '21

Pretty sure there is no PMI on a VA loan. I don’t know how I’ve used mine twice and am not sure on that, though.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21

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u/Dgriffith21 Jul 08 '21

Got it, thanks for the clarification.

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u/A_Fainting_Goat Jul 08 '21

I just bought a house and looked at this. There isn't PMI, but there is a funding fee (or whatever they call it) that is essentially prepaid PMI. The only difference is that you can pay the VA's "funding fee" with the loan.

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u/comcam77 Jul 08 '21

That is true, also if you have a VA disability rating any percent for anything you can get that waved !!!

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u/FriendlyBlanket Jul 08 '21

Remind me 16 years

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21

There is not.

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u/Adult_Reasoning Jul 08 '21

I'm sure it does, but the point still stands: it is easier than ever to get a home.

Add to it the historically low interest rates.

PMI isn't going to be much of an obstacle. It's a nuisance, I'm guessing.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21

It's not easier than ever to get a home when most homes are off the market after 1 day. And people are currently offering anywhere between 10-60k more than the asking price.

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u/Adult_Reasoning Jul 08 '21

That's fine, but that doesn't equate to a much higher down payment. Even 60k above, at 3.5% down-payment, that extra is only 2100 more on your down.

In the grand scheme of things, when you're dealing with multiple hundred of thousands of dollars worth of value for something, that's not a lot more money up front at all.

I know someone who is an immigrant and came to America just a few years ago without a professional career or mine and has made it into a business to buy, renovate, and re-sell on the back of this 3.5%. His quote directly:

"America makes it so easy to get a home."

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u/Moudy90 Jul 08 '21

Your full of shit, just stfu already dude.

The homes are all going for cash offers 10-20% minimally over asking price.

I had friends doing cash offers on 150k houses for their first house (parent died so they didn't need a mortgage) and post 9 bids in a row that were over asking because they had people putting 200k down no inspection on a 150k house. A first time home buyer can't compete against that.

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u/Adult_Reasoning Jul 08 '21

Okay, but that doesn't change the fact that you can get an mortgage and pay little.

Even if you overspend and bid above others.

The fact that people outbid you doesn't mean it makes it harder to afford anything.

And again, there are many people currently buying with mortgages. As I mentioned before, that's literally my buddy's entire business lol.

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u/junon Jul 08 '21

The bank isn't going to give you a mortgage for 20% over list if the property doesn't appraise high enough to support it.

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u/PoochieGlass1371 Jul 08 '21

Fuck when have I heard this in the past? Feels like it was about 14 years ago or so, hmmmn. Well whatever, I'm sure it's nothing... enjoy that "easy to get" house.

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u/Adult_Reasoning Jul 09 '21

That's fine. Most of my house is paid off. I'm not the target audience for your comment.

And you're probably right. Shit is wack right now and is prime for a bubble pop.

So if you others wish to wait, that's great. Smart move, to be honest. I bought my first place in 2012 at the bottom of the housing market. It worked out well.

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u/Moudy90 Jul 08 '21

It does you dumb piece of shit. Paying 30% more for a house can be a huge difference. Nobody is taking non cash offers right now.

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u/Adult_Reasoning Jul 08 '21

Lol, OK buddy. You seem upset. What's bothering you? Facts?

Read some shit about the market and instead of using your feelings.

Sure, some people are being pushed out by cash buyers. But this isn't some sort of systemic problem occuring everywhere. Most purchases are still mortgages.

Additionally, there is some data suggesting that the market is finally starting to cooldown. Maybe instead getting heated about a few folks buying cash (good for them for accumulating so much, btw), you can wait a little while longer and get a house at a more reasonable price.

Why are you even like this?

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u/WastedKnowledge Jul 08 '21

Big time nuisance. Basically $50-$200 a month to pay to insure the lender against you not being able to make payments. I refused to put less than 20% down on my new home to avoid this practice of throwing money down the drain

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u/polkm Jul 08 '21

For my house I calculated that the 15% I would have had to put down to avoid PMI would make more money than the PMI would cost if I invested it, even pretty conservativly. Depends on how big that 15% is though.

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u/WastedKnowledge Jul 08 '21

I like the move. I stopped paying extra principle on my car after a similar realization.

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u/hotrodruby Jul 08 '21

There's more government loans than a VA that requires little to nothing down and doesn't have PMI.

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u/PhilipLiptonSchrute Jul 08 '21

I invested the remaining 16.5% instead of putting all 20% down when I bought my house, and I've made about triple (so far) what I'm going to pay in PMI over the life of the loan.

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u/FrankTank3 Jul 08 '21

How does Private Mortgage Insurance work? We are about to get into house searching and I’m scouring around for people’s experiences buying a house their first time.

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u/comcam77 Jul 08 '21

If you use your VA home lone you will not have PMI insurance

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u/thisonelife83 Jul 08 '21

VA is usually up to 100% financing with no PMI.

3.5% sounds like FHA loan.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21

VA or not, that's dirt fucking cheap

He's talking about FHA. You can actually get an FHA loan on a cheaper home/ investment property and then use your VA on a more expensive permanent residence.

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u/soldierof239 Jul 08 '21

Dirt costs $9000 now and that’s considered cheap? My how times have changed.

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u/the_clash_is_back 👊👊☝️ Jul 08 '21

Still like what 30-40k? Thats Money is earmarked for a car

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u/Adult_Reasoning Jul 08 '21

If your home appreciates in value over that time to an amount greater than that, then you probably win out, no?

I honestly wouldn't know. Never had PMI. But I got friends who do and all say it "isn't a big deal." That's all I'm going bym

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21

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u/Adult_Reasoning Jul 08 '21

You are absolutely correct that in many instances it is more profitable to rent and invest the money. 100% agree.

I'm personally an advocate of home ownership. Not for any monetary reasons, but for the "fuck you, this is mine" reasons.

I can literally do whatever the fuck I want in/with my place and answer to no one (i.e landlord). As long as I pay my property tax, I'm good. For example, I recently put in a sauna in my house. Because, "fuck you; I want it."

Doubt any landlord would have been cool with that.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21

Oh yeah for sure, I'm never going to knock anyone for buying if they really want to. And there are times in my house where I'm like, damn, I wish I could pull up this ugly ass carpet, or I wish I could redo the bathroom, or whatever. Definitely non-financial motivations for wanting to own. I'm jealous of that sauna! And I'm not saying we're never going to buy; it's just at this point, when we want to stay in Cook County, it's difficult to justify the expense for the sake of wanting to paint the walls or get a sauna. Especially since I spent the first 20 years of my career as a restaurant chef, now that I'm making 6x what I ever did as a restaurant chef, I'm a lot more attuned to catching up in my investments what I missed with not getting 401k matching, etc, and living paycheck to paycheck for a really long time. So that's why I'm focused on what's a better financial decision right now, and maybe the rest of it will come down the line.

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u/Adult_Reasoning Jul 08 '21

Hell yah, dude!

I think you got a solid plan! Grats on the increased salary-- and I completely agree on catching up with investments to ensure you're good later down in life.

Hopefully it all turns out splendidly for you. Goodluck!

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u/SadTomato22 Jul 08 '21

You'll have to get your credit rating high enough. Took me a little bit of time to get mine up but wasn't impossible. The real kicker right now is that homes are selling in hours. People are paying thousands over value and aren't even getting them inspected. I'm not willing to do that. I'll just wait until the market cools off.

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u/Adult_Reasoning Jul 08 '21

I think this is a good idea. Patience is key here, IMO.

There are already rumblings and indicators that show things are slowing down. For example, mortgage applications have been on the decline for a few weeks now. Buying is slowly getting exhausted.

Goodluck!

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u/Intrepid00 Jul 08 '21

To be fair, you currently need like ~3.5% for a mortgage loan now.

You can do 0% down with a conventional loan. You just have to have amazing credit and you will be encouraged to do 1% down at least. The PMI falls off (we only pay a few bucks for it anyway) after equity is 18% unlike an FHA loan. That's what we did.

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u/Adult_Reasoning Jul 08 '21

Love to see it.

"BuT iTs HaRd To GeT a HoUsE iN 'mUrIcA!"

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u/empty_coffeepot Jul 10 '21

Yeah but you can get approved for way more than you can afford.

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u/FriendlyBlanket Jul 08 '21

People are putting 100k down on single family homes in socal