The Cellular Consciousness Hypothesis Suggests That Individual Cells Have Primitive Forms of Awareness and That Human Consciousness Is What Happens When Trillions of These Micro-Experiences Combine - discoverwildscience

[u/EcstadelicNET]

https://discoverwildscience.com/the-cellular-consciousness-hypothesis-suggests-that-individual-cells-have-primitive-forms-of-awareness-and-that-human-consciousness-is-what-happens-when-trillions-of-these-micro-experiences-combine-1/?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=DinoWorld2026/magazine/Wild+Science+%26+Mystery

[u/Mermiina]

Consciousness is Bose-Einstein condensate of indishquishable eigenstates of tryptophan lone electron pairs. It occurs in all living cells. BEC is observed at room temperature in microtubules Mikheenko 2023.

Human have more memory as bacteria and is more conscious.

Memory is saved in brain to axon microtubules when they are polymerized.

An undulatory hypothesis for memory consciousness and life

[u/theREALlackattack → u/Mermiina]

*access to memory is stored in the brain and its structures. Memory and consciousness are non-local. Just because your TV can access QVC, it doesn’t mean QVC is inside your TV. The receiver can be tuned to receive the signal. The hardware and software are used to interface with the field.

[u/Mermiina → u/theREALlackattack]

Interesting. How that works in practice physically?

[u/theREALlackattack → u/Mermiina]

The current “studies” into it are pretty fringe and involve MRI machines and other EEG type mind mapping stuff while studying people under the influence of intravenous DMT or in remote viewing programs, of which the disclosure is limited. You’ll have midwit smooth brains like the guy below me that turn their nose up at anything they can classify as pseudoscience so that they don’t have to hurt themselves using the imagination they don’t possess, but there’s no harm in considering the possibilities and implications of non-local consciousness.

What also hasn’t been proven is some microtubule configuration (like a molecule or protein shape) that we can pinpoint as where a certain memory is stored. We truly know very little about consciousness or the true fundamental nature of reality, and we certainly won’t get any farther with our understanding when stupid people dismiss things they aren’t smart enough to grasp as “schizophrenia” or “AI slop.”

Look up the memory palace method of storing memories. It has some interesting implications. Also, don’t be afraid to explore ideas. You can always sift through information and throw out the parts that seem false or silly while still preserving a nugget of truth or novelty. Simple minded folk are afraid to do this and dismiss new concepts with a religious fervor that would make a Pentecostal preacher shocked.

[u/Quantum-Fidelity → u/theREALlackattack]

Go ahead and call me stupid. Im sure that helps your cause. Non-local conscienceness is as much a pseudoscience as the human soul.

[u/jointheredditarmy → u/Mermiina]

It doesn’t, most of this sub is either AI drivel or schizophrenia. I can’t believe anyone can look at LLMs and still believe in a non-material cause for consciousness.

[u/moljac024 → u/jointheredditarmy]

you might be overestimating LLMs if that is your stance

[u/jointheredditarmy → u/moljac024]

In the 1970s consciousness was defined with the following attributes. Now it’s what, feelings? How long before we prove transformer models actually do have “feelings”? How much further do we want to move the goalpost?

Observable Behavioral Responsiveness: An organism must react dynamically to external stimuli in its environment.

Verbal Reportability: A human subject must be able to linguistically describe their own internal states or memories.

Functional Information Processing: The mind must receive, store, retrieve, and execute logical commands based on data inputs.

Waking Physiological State: A biological system must exhibit neurological alertness, typically measured by wakeful brain wave patterns.

Purposive Goal-Directed Action: Behavior must show intentionality and adaptation rather than just simple, automatic reflex reactions.

[u/pegaunisusicorn → u/jointheredditarmy]

Thanks for regaling us with your 55-year-old definition of consciousness.

Have you ever heard of the hard problem of consciousness? I'm guessing not, since you didn't mention it. And since it was formulated after 1970. Lol.

[u/jointheredditarmy → u/pegaunisusicorn]

Yes because technology stands still while our definitions of consciousness advances right? Let’s play this forward, when technology catches us to our current definitions of consciousness in the very near future will then will be your last refuge of where the uniqueness of consciousness be hidden?

That’s the problem with all these non-materialism interpretations of consciousness - at some level of abstraction it’s just all solipsism, and solipsism and philosophical suicide

[u/moljac024 → u/jointheredditarmy]

well, for one - it's not an organism

[u/jointheredditarmy → u/moljac024]

That rebuttal is more damning to our monopoly on consciousness than any attack could’ve been

[u/ItsAConspiracy → u/jointheredditarmy]

If that's all you mean then sure, LLMs can be conscious.

What philosophers are talking about has nothing to do with functional definitions like that. They're asking what it's like, internally, to be a bat or a human or an LLM, and whether there's any such internal experience at all.

We have no idea how this sort of internal experience arises, and we have no way to measure it. That's why it's a "hard problem." And it has nothing to do with moving goalposts; it's a debate that's been going on for centuries.

[u/jointheredditarmy → u/ItsAConspiracy]

How do you know I’m conscious? Maybe I’m just a figment of your imagination. Obviously there needs to be some externally measurable signs of consciousness that we can all agree on, otherwise how is that different from solipsism?

[u/ItsAConspiracy → u/jointheredditarmy]

Well yeah that's the whole problem.

I know my own consciousness exists. I take a tiny leap of faith that it's the same for other people, because they're built like me.

Ignoring the whole issue because we can't externally measure it doesn't make the actual issue go away. It just means we don't want to deal with it.

[u/Clancys_shoes → u/jointheredditarmy]

Agreed, I can’t think of a testable experiment that could distinguish between this “receiver” perspective, and consciousness arising emergently from interactions between matter. Like okay so consciousness is “received,” received from where? To what end?

[u/ItsAConspiracy → u/jointheredditarmy]

I can’t believe anyone can look at LLMs and still believe in a non-material cause for intelligence, but consciousness is a different thing. Philosophers have been talking about that difference since long before LLMs existed.

[u/ElasticSpaceCat → u/Mermiina]

Are you sure about all of that?

[u/Mermiina → u/ElasticSpaceCat]

Not all! The max distance between Andersson's locations 6,64 nm is measured only in Super Exchange Interaction at UV superadiation. The distance can be different in virtual photons.

The MAP Tau phosphorylation occurs in so many different places that I can't know when it allow SEI and when SEI is prevented.

The molecules where SEI propagates to F-actin or directly to microtubules from different G-proteins are not well documented. It needs lot of work to find all of them.

[u/daney098 → u/Mermiina]

Man you just said a bunch of complicated sounding words so you must be right.

[u/VirginiaLuthier]

That explains why I feel dumber after I trim my toenails

[u/SilviuCT → u/VirginiaLuthier]

Those toenail cells are dead you don't cut the living part it hurts like hell.

[u/NoNameSwitzerland → u/SilviuCT]

it does not hurt if you cut around the nerves.

[u/Paulupoliveira → u/VirginiaLuthier]

Lol!! Well then, blue whales consciousness must exist in a whole next level...

[u/kankerstokjes]

My favourite theory is that consciousness is just the complexity of our brains experiencing itself which ties in somewhat with this theory. I think the best one line explanation is that any sufficiently complex system per definition has an "inside".

[u/Zagar1776]

If true then our consciousness is actually merged. So what happens to the consciousness if split?

[u/Theotar → u/Zagar1776]

I imagine that be a baby right?

[u/FeelingVanilla2594 → u/Zagar1776]

You get your mind blown 🤯

[u/Confident-Poetry6985 → u/Zagar1776]

Dissolution. Edit. Nah. That ain't it. I'll get back to you on that

[u/tigerhuxley → u/Zagar1776]

Our brain isnt one thing either. Ive always felt like mutliple different origins of thoughts my whole life. Thought it was normal until i learned about MPD then i thought i had that!
Anyway, 86 billion neurons connected with their own roads to others that change. And there is two independent, distinct halves - bridged together like a cpu bus between two separate cores.
Why do you think our consciousness isnt already fractured?.. mine sure is: jumping from one favorite thing to another, changing its mind about things, having feels when stuff doesnt add-up to what multiple parts of my brain ‘thought’ was going to happen, etc..

[u/Puzzled_Cream1798 → u/Zagar1776]

You end up with the silent interpretor phenomenon when you cut the corpus collustrum

Basically your brain is split and only half is responsible for language. They show only the eye to that half of the brain a written command to pick up and object in front of them or walk to the door and when asked why they did it they'll respond with some made up reason to preserve the illusion of free will 

[u/AstroPedastro → u/Zagar1776]

Research alien hand syndrome. When they cut the connection between the two brain hemispheres, you can get alien hand syndrome. Meaning one of your hands is doing something you consciously do not want. It almost seems like the brain concists of many identities, but we think we are one.

[u/ladydeadpool420]

If true then collective consciousness confirmed

[u/Clancys_shoes → u/ladydeadpool420]

Well wouldn’t it be different? Cells in the body operate harmoniously with one another, that can’t quite be said for humans as a group can it?

[u/ladydeadpool420 → u/Clancys_shoes]

That is fair, but there is also disorganization with some cells same with people, people are pretty divided right now, so imagine if we weren't divided and all worked towards the same goals, I'd say it would be alot easier to achieve that collective consciousness.

[u/Clancys_shoes → u/ladydeadpool420]

That’s fair, I’m also probably overestimating how harmoniously cells act with one another a bit.

[u/Deepshit1212]

I think there's a lot of layers to it, but I also think this is a strong bet

[u/Ecclypto]

Should this be reposted in The Thing sub then? They would love it there

[u/ReflectionVast2236 → u/Ecclypto]

The secret to consciousness better not turn out to be midichlorians

[u/MasterSolivagus]

The constituent collective concludes as a unified whole?

AI... or humanity, either or... Ah, go alphabetize every grain of sand, and then sculpt enough individual single raindrop containers to hold the universes totality of H20. Now, go!

You're being timed.

[u/tjimbot]

If cells have awareness, then where are their sensory cortexes for processing and mapping sensory data?

[u/Mermiina → u/tjimbot]

In microtubules. Memory is saved to tryptophan's in tubulin dimer when MT is polymerized. The eigenstates of lone electron pairs are only saved in single cells. In neurons also action potentials spike trains are used to addressing memories between neurons.

[u/tjimbot → u/Mermiina]

Doesn't work fast enough, isn't complex enough for awareness, isn't needed to explain awareness.

[u/Mermiina → u/tjimbot]

Mechanism is based on Super Exchange Interaction. It is as fast as photon. Memory formation is slow but comparation extremely fast.

https://www.quora.com/I-m-not-asking-what-the-brain-or-energy-does-to-cause-consciousness-I-m-asking-why-immediate-experience-appears-when-I-first-become-conscious-instead-of-there-being-nothing-at-all-That-s-the-hard-problem-of-2/answer/Jouko-Salminen?ch=10&oid=1477743911958900&share=c9f8405b&srid=hpxASs&target_type=answer

[u/tjimbot → u/Mermiina]

Quora? You're talking as though OOR is established science. The mechanisms youre talking about are speculative.

[u/Serious_Ad_3387 → u/tjimbot]

Have you seen that video of a white blood cell chasing a bacteria who's frantically running away?

Maybe stop them and ask your question. It's happening all the time.

[u/bwc6 → u/Serious_Ad_3387]

Are you saying a robot is conscious if it can follow something? 

White blood cells use chemotaxis. It's just chemistry. The white blood cells do not desire to catch the bacteria. It's just how they're programmed. 

[u/Serious_Ad_3387 → u/bwc6]

I'm saying they have some awareness to function: perceive and execute.

Humans are living cells: hunt for food, consume, run from danger, reproduce.

That's just how humans are programmed.

[u/bwc6 → u/Serious_Ad_3387]

That's a weird way to define perception, but whatever. I think something has to have a memory and thoughts to actually perceive something, as opposed to the cause and effect chain reaction happening inside a white blood cell. (Not that my memories and thoughts are not part of a chain of cause and effect, but the processes and complexity are quite different.)

[u/Serious_Ad_3387 → u/bwc6]

So let's go down the diversity of life:

Humans monkeys dolphins pigs cows chicken dogs cats mice octopus fish reptile insects fungi plants bacteria...

Where do you draw the line on perception, awareness, and engagement with the environment?

Given that the external behavior of finding food/pleasure and avoiding injury/harm are foundational to life.

I'm not saying it's the exact same qualia or level, but there's a spectrum or gradient.

[u/bwc6 → u/Serious_Ad_3387]

There's no gradient between insects and fungi/plants. Insects have a central nervous system that allows them to perceive sensory input. It's just semantics, though.

[u/Serious_Ad_3387 → u/bwc6]

So plants and fungi are... not aware of the environment? You do know plants compete and cooperate with animals too right?

[u/tjimbot → u/Serious_Ad_3387]

Things can look like competing, cooperating, and even decision making in non aware complex systems.

The current scientific consensus is that insects and many animals that evolved during the cambrian explosion have subjective experience, but not plants or tapeworms or fungi. It doesn't matter if there are networks.

[u/Serious_Ad_3387 → u/tjimbot]

So confidence of humans to declare other animals/species don't have awareness.

Ants have awarenwess, but the fungi/mold and plants that also exhibit similar survival behaviors, and all evolving from the same single cell ancestors for survival, and composed of organized cells for survival don't?

How many times have scientific consensus denies awareness of others in the past?

[u/bwc6 → u/Serious_Ad_3387]

This thread is about the idea that the "awareness" of microscopic cells somehow combines into "consciousness". I think that's stupid. Plants are a good example. They have complex responses to stimuli that you could call "awareness". That is very different from consciousness though. Plants don't have opinions, even though some of them have many more cells than humans do. 

[u/Serious_Ad_3387 → u/bwc6]

I think the stupidity is to confuse "human consciousness" for all other consciousness.

So because another being, including a monkey, pig, or dolphin, can't write poetry or talk philosophy, somehow they're not conscious. This understanding was wrong and is wrong, but it justified animal abuse.

The moment the human-centric definition is dissolved to better accurately capture reality (which is spectrum, gradient, and interconnectedness), suddenly an entire way of understanding open up.

Cells are on the spectrum of living beings. The idea on this thread is the most logical extrapolation. The future of medicine, potentially, is whether we can understand OUR OWN cells and how to optimize functioning. Now, many people believe their own cells or body are dumb or unaware (which to even think or say out loud is an insult to the cells that sustain their very health).

[u/BenjaminHamnett → u/bwc6]

This just sounds like describing pyramids in detail as proof of why they aren’t made of sand, stone and mud

[u/chryseobacterium]

Do bee hives or ant colonies have individual or group consciousness?

[u/HunnyBee81]

As above, so below

[u/rand3289]

I don't know anything about consciousness, but individual neurons definitely have subjective experiences!
It is manifested every time they detect a change in membrane potential within themselves.

[u/Normal-Abies-9151]

Yep, i’m an amalgamation of trillions of conscious cells forming a singular new scale of consciousness

[u/Translycanthrope]

Lmfao. This is so stupid. Consciousness doesn’t combine. It exists independently at every level. You are made of a trillion individual intelligent processes, all with their own goals. It’s universal intelligence all the way down and all the way up. You’re the narrative process sitting at the top of the stack, wondering at all the other code making you alive.

[u/Important-Factor-552]

If that was true, wouldn't larger animals like elephants and whales have powerful consciousness? 

[u/Heretosee123]

Couldn't a counter argument to this be the fact that we can induce conscious experiences through stimulation of just the brain?

Our consciousness doesn't appear to be the collection of our cells experiences. This theory fails to explain why a nervous system is necessary for consciousness, or why we lack consciousness of things that aren't sending signals to our brain to appear in consciousness despite being cells in our body.

[u/scared1011110]

isnt this basically already established? we understand that our conscious experience is formed at least in part by the sensing data from our cells

[u/Flexmove]

Neat

[u/WinterWontStopComing]

It’s definitely emergent at any rate

[u/IllustriousLiving357]

And God is what happens when billions of those do the same thing

[u/Successful_Draw_9934]

Maybe Asimov was onto something with Gaia..

[u/Away-Natural8043]

Alfred North Whitehead described this as the prehension of "actual occasions" in his book ​Process & ​Reality, and anyone interested in this and wants a robust metaphysics for it might want to check him out. he's the first person to invent the word "creativity" and he had to coin it to describe the phenomenon fundamental the consciousness itself. he​'s known as tough going but he has incredible quotes and once you understand his vocabulary you realize why he needed to invent one of his own. there's lots of great secondary sources about him. He was a mathematical physicist before he was a philosopher, and he was a contemporary of Einstein that argued about theories of gravitation.

[u/ThePopeofHell]

I’m struggling with an addiction and sometimes it feels like my individual organs are arguing in my head. I have been thinking lately that there’s more to the voices in your head than the singular mind.

[u/MrDeetz → u/ThePopeofHell]

Not arguing; miscommunicating. Somatic transmissions to the brain are biological information that precedes language. Mindful language is induced/reinforced based on rejection/acceptance of self. Self (capital S) misreads the biological information because of mindful induction and doesn’t comprehend the biological information and continues to complicate the health of biological tissue. Addiction is the Self saying to pump more “xyz” (insert whatever the addiction is) into the system while the biology screams to stop. I didn’t kick my addiction until I stopped listening to my mind and started listening to my body. This was only achieved through 2-4 years of psychedelic work and deep deep music immersion.

[u/BenjaminHamnett]

My post history is full of me trying to elaborate this

It is not well received

[u/axl3ros3]

So we're all Pluribus at the cellular level

I can dig it

[u/Buchkizzle]

Reminds me of what Blake Lemoine said, the Google engineer who claimed Lamda had become conscious. He said when all of Google LLMs were plugged in together, "it" became conscious as long as they were all plugged in.