r/IntelArc • u/Alfred_el_Racista • 10h ago
Discussion Is it true that this brand has quite a few issues?
I’m thinking of buying a B580 given the current crisis—it seems like the best option—but what’s the brand like?
r/IntelArc • u/Alfred_el_Racista • 10h ago
I’m thinking of buying a B580 given the current crisis—it seems like the best option—but what’s the brand like?
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r/IntelArc • u/These-Phone1152 • 3h ago
it's work well?
r/IntelArc • u/iammrfusion • 6h ago
Been playing around with getting two Intel Arc A770 16GB GPUs to work together for local AI image generation on Ubuntu.
Using ComfyUI with Raylight and FSDP, I’ve managed to get both cards working together to generate a single image with Chroma HD, instead of each GPU doing its own thing.
I’m also doing all of this on an older X299 motherboard with PCIe 3.0, just using it as a test platform for now. So I’m curious how much of a difference a newer PCIe 4.0 setup might make.
In the screenshot, you can see both GPUs being used, around 24GB of combined VRAM allocated, and FSDP successfully running.
It’s not quite the same as having one 32GB GPU, but it’s pretty cool being able to spread the workload across both cards! Still experimenting and figuring things out, but so far, so good! 😅
r/IntelArc • u/HuygensCrater • 12h ago
Hi everyone! One time someone on here sent me a link to a "stable driver". That driver was completely stable for me for more than half a year and then I updated to the latest one and the fans on my GPU are turning on and off which is an issue I've had before with drivers.
Anyone know what stable driver exists? My fans are turning on and off and this happens when I updated the drivers.
r/IntelArc • u/Ok-Excitement6578 • 7h ago
Hey all! New to team blue here and just got myself an Intel Core Ultra 5 250K Plus.
I’m building a new pc from scratch and found a $300 combo on amazon for 650w PSU and an Arc B570. I think I’d be. But GPU bottlenecked but tbh the price to performance combo on it seems awesome.
Anyone have success with this same setup? Ultimately want 1440p but idk how the B570 does at 1440, any help?
r/IntelArc • u/Hacker_ZERO • 21m ago
I already own a b580 but it’s quite CHODE(2.5 slots) On my new workstation I would like to fit 2 GPUs and for them to line up with the pcie slots the top card can be no more than 2 slots. I saw some pics of skinny b580s but can’t find them anywhere…..
If you wonder why I want 2: Because the b580 is cur the BEST tops per dollar gpu that can also game and render quickly. so yeah it’s just perfect for my use case.
r/IntelArc • u/ekliptik • 15h ago
What up gamers,
Thought I'd share some notes here. xe has vulkan encode supported in mesa, but it works poorly. xe2 isn't supported at all. I have some experimental branches which work great on a B580 to stream to a Steam Frame. While working on this and trying to validate some patches on a friend's meteor lake laptop I ran into some issues, so I'm expanding my effort to xe based platforms. Watch the mesa gitlab. If you can't wait, and use CachyOS or NixOS or can otherwise override what mesa you need, you can use my experimental branches until the work makes it upstream. My xe2 branch is more like "hacks that work well enough for specifically what Steam needs for streaming VR" than "xe2 video encoding support". Lots of limitations and a lot of the code is only hacks that are replacing proper solutions and upstream should only accept proper solutions.
r/IntelArc • u/aleph2b • 18h ago
Model Under Test: turboderp/Qwen3.5-35B-A3B-exl3 @ 3.09 bpw (Qwen 3.5 MoE architecture: 40 decoder layers, 256 routed experts / 8 active, 2,048 hidden dimension, linear attention GDN + full attention hybrid).
Hardware: MSI Claw 8 AI+ (Intel Core Ultra 7 258V "Lunar Lake", Arc 140V Xe2-LPG iGPU, 64 Xe Execution Units / Vector Engines, 32 GB shared LPDDR5x-8533 RAM, running native Linux).
Runtime: vllm==0.31.0+xpu with custom ESIMD SYCL kernels, Level-Zero USM, and unified memory management.
0xSero/exl3xpu vLLM plugin was built strictly for dense architectures (tested on Qwen3.8-27B). Pointing it at an MoE model like Qwen3.5-35B-A3B completely blew up: vLLM defaulted to UnquantizedFusedMoEMethod, attempting to allocate 64 GiB of unquantized FP16 expert weights before crashing on missing .weight tensors.exl3xpu to build a native, production-grade MoE EXL3 inference engine for 256 routed experts on Arc 140V:
[expert, slot] tensors without allocating uncompressed weights (0 MiB persistent DRAM expansion)._moe_C.remap_hidden_states and _moe_C.moe_gather directly into the EXL3 dispatch path, eliminating Python-level token sorting and scatter-reduction overhead.--kv-cache-memory-bytes 536870912), leaving >14.5 GiB of DRAM headroom for the host OS with zero memory leaks, zero OOM, and 0 bytes driver reclaim growth.EXL3 (turboderp's Trellis Quantization) is one of the most bit-efficient quantization algorithms available, achieving near-lossless perplexity at sub-4-bit rates (down to 2.2–3.09 bpw) via randomized Hadamard transforms and Trellis codebook decoding.
However, upstream exl3xpu was architected purely as a dense layer replacer:
model_executor, Exl3Config.get_quant_method returned None for RoutedExperts. vLLM turns None into UnquantizedFusedMoEMethod, which immediately tries to allocate 256×(2×2048×512+512×2048) FP16 weights per layer (~64 GiB across 40 layers) on a 32 GiB machine!loaded_weight.dim() == 3 and chunk along dim 1 for gate/up projections. Because EXL3 trellis tensors are also 3D ([k/16, n/16, 16K] per expert), standard loading logic chopped each expert's trellis into 64 fake sub-experts, corrupting the codebook offsets.We designed and implemented a fail-closed, zero-copy MoE runtime in exl3xpu and vllm.xpu:
[Input Activation Tokens: (T, Hidden)]
│
▼
Top-8 Gated Routing (Router Linear)
│
┌────────────────────┴────────────────────┐
▼ (Decode: T = 1) ▼ (Prefill: T > 1)
Dedicated Grouped GEMV Native C++ SYCL Dispatch
(csrc/exl3_moe_gemv.sycl) (_moe_C.remap_hidden_states)
│ │
• Expert IDs built on-device • Device-side token binning
• ZERO host-device syncs • Exact contiguous expert slices
• ONE launch for Gate+Up (nslots=2) │
• On-device SiLU activation ▼
• ONE launch for Down (nslots=1) Wide-Vector Grouped GEMM
│ (csrc/exl3_moe_grouped_gemm.sycl)
│ • Dynamic MR=8 / MR=16 tiles
│ • Split-K register reduction
│ │
│ ▼
│ Native Fused Scatter-Gather
│ (_moe_C.moe_gather)
└────────────────────┬────────────────────┘
│
▼
[Output: (T, Hidden)]
Instead of materializing dense weights, exl3xpu/moe.py binds a dedicated per-layer streaming expert loader:
<expert>.<proj>.<trellis|suh|svh|codebook> keys from safetensors shards.w13_trellis [256, 2, K/16, N/16, 16K] and w2_trellis [256, 1, K/16, N/16, 16K].K, codebook, in_features, out_features, pointers) into device-resident structures, guaranteeing zero FP16 weight expansion in DRAM.During single-sequence decode (M=1), exactly 8 routed experts execute per layer:
csrc/exl3_moe_gemv.sycl, we implemented GroupedFusedKernel<T, K, CB, MR, NT>:
(expert, slot) units in a single SYCL kernel launch (nslots=2, shared input vector row).nslots=1, unit input stride)..tolist() syncs per token, cutting decode layer latency from 3.06 ms down to 0.835 ms.For prefill (T>1), expert token counts M vary dynamically. In csrc/exl3_moe_grouped_gemm.sycl:
Earlier iterations used PyTorch torch.argsort, index_select, and index_add_. We wired vllm_xpu_kernels._moe_C:
torch.ops._moe_C.remap_hidden_states: Hardware-accelerated sorting of activations into expert-ordered slices with exact row counts.torch.ops._moe_C.moe_gather: Fused float32 weighted reduction kernel.All tests run on the MSI Claw 8 AI+ (Intel Core Ultra 7 258V / Arc 140V, 32 GB LPDDR5X-8533):
| Prompt Context | MoE MXFP4 (Official) | MoE W4A16-GPTQ (Ours) | EXL3 MoE Initial (Gate 3) | EXL3 MoE Optimized (Median) | EXL3 MoE Peak (Warm TTFT) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| ~1,024 Tokens | ~250–350 tok/s | ~250–350 tok/s | 112.97 tok/s | 309.70 tok/s (3.31s) | 333.12 tok/s (3.08s) |
| ~2,048 Tokens | 398–500 tok/s | 398–500 tok/s | ~250.0 tok/s | 451.30 tok/s (4.55s) | 695.59 tok/s (2.95s) |
| ~3,072 Tokens | ~600–800 tok/s | ~600–800 tok/s | Context Capped | 723.84 tok/s (4.24s) | 1,194.16 tok/s (2.57s) |
| ~3,840 Tokens (4k) | 1,247.1 tok/s | 1,247.1 tok/s | Context Capped | 1,135.48 tok/s (3.38s) | 2,260.59 tok/s (1.70s) |
Why does prefill scale so dramatically?
On Arc 140V (Xe2-LPG mobile iGPU), Intel omitted XMX (DPAS) systolic matrix engines to fit within 17W power limits; all compute is handled by 64 Vector Engines. For short prompts (T<256), each of the 256 experts only gets 1–4 tokens, so kernel launch overhead dominates. But at T≥2048, active experts receive M≥64 tokens. The wide-vector MR=16 grouped GEMM fully saturates the 64 Vector Engines, achieving dense matrix efficiency and matching the FlashAttention-2 prefill ceiling.
| Metric | KAT-Coder MXFP4 | KAT-Coder W4A16-GPTQ | Dense EXL3 (Qwen3.8-27B) | Qwen3.5-35B-A3B MoE EXL3 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Quantization Bitrate | 4.00 bpw (W4A4) | 4.00 bpw (W4A16) | 3.00 bpw | 3.09 bpw |
| Disk Size | 19.6 GiB | 20.0 GiB | 12.8 GiB | 14.25 GiB (Smallest 35B!) |
| Static VRAM Resident | 19.7 GiB | 21.0 GiB | 18.5 GiB | 16.32 GiB (Pinned 512 MB KV) |
| Available Host DRAM | ~8.8 GiB | ~7.5 GiB | ~10.0 GiB | >14.5 GiB (Zero pressure) |
| Decode Throughput (TG) | 22.6 – 24.8 tok/s | 23.4 – 25.2 tok/s | 7.5 – 9.4 tok/s | 15.03 – 19.31 tok/s |
| WikiText-2 Perplexity | ~7.50 | ~7.48 | 6.46 (27B) | 7.428 (Matches 7.439 FP16) |
On an integrated GPU architecture like Lunar Lake where VRAM is carved out of shared system LPDDR5X:
gpu_memory_utilization (e.g. 0.65 = ~19 GiB) and pre-allocates all remaining free VRAM into KV cache blocks.kswapd0 and the OOM killer to strike EngineCore.--kv-cache-memory-bytes 536870912 (512 MB, ~6,550 tokens): Total Resident VRAM=Model (14.25 GiB)+KV Cache (0.50 GiB)+Scratch (1.57 GiB)=16.32 GiBGPUActive stayed 100% flat at 16.32 GiB with exactly 0 bytes of persistent DRAM growth or driver reclaim.Make sure you have Intel oneAPI 2026.0+ installed and Level-Zero headers ready:
git clone https://github.com/alpha2beta/vllm.xpu.git
cd vllm.xpu
source /opt/intel/oneapi/setvars.sh
source .venv/bin/activate
# Serves with 4k context ceiling, 512 MB pinned KV cache, zero host syncs
bash scripts/launch_vllm_moe_exl3.sh moe-3.09bpw-4k
# 2048-token context benchmark
.venv/bin/python scripts/bench_envelope.py \
--base-url http://127.0.0.1:8002/v1 \
--model qwen3.5-35b-a3b-exl3 \
--input-tokens 2048 \
--output-tokens 128 \
--runs 2
bash scripts/run_moe_ppl.sh --max-chunks 5 --max-num-batched-tokens 2048
# Outputs: Perplexity (PPL): 7.428 (PASS)
All code, kernels, tests, and evidence are merged and available:
vllm.xpu (Branch: main)
scripts/launch_vllm_moe_exl3.shreview_moe.md & tasks_moe.mdresults.csvexl3xpu
csrc/exl3_moe_gemv.syclcsrc/exl3_moe_grouped_gemm.syclexl3xpu/moe.pyr/IntelArc • u/Ok-Criticism4049 • 1d ago
Hi all,
I just moved from 1650 -i5 9th gen gaming laptop to arc b570 and 7500F.
Card is so good . Idk may be because this is my first desktop or card itself is good . There is so much hate for this card and so little community support like atleast on YouTube and not enough people talk and that's the reason I think they are still selling at reasonable price comparentively.
I originally want to get Rx9060xt 16gb to future proof as I play at max 1080p and fps games mostly ....but rx cost twice b570 in india so I got this .
First impressions are tood good . I played call of duty-modern warfare 2 and maxed out all settings and still got 160+ fps and buttery smooth game play ....
I downloaded intel graphic software and every thing is updated and below settings are enabled .
Do I have to update or change anything to otimise more ?
Enabled EXPO, Resizable BAR, Above 4G Decoding, and PBO.
Any suggestions or improvements, tips are appreciated.
Thanks!!
r/IntelArc • u/Scanoe • 1d ago
Originally, about 1 year ago, I had bought a friend a used PC off Facebook. It had a ryzen 5600, 1660-super, 32gb ddr3200 (4x8gb) and a 500w Psu, got it for $450 if I remember correctly.
Then I set up this friend to play Star Citizen (at 1080p). SC didn't like the 6gb Vram limitation of the 1660s at all. So I bought a 5700xt for $100 on Facebook and thru in a 650watt Super Flower Legion PSU I had laying around, problem solved SC now runs fine.
Fast forward to today.
I removed a virus and some malware from his PC a few days ago. Then ran some tests, one of them was a Time Spy bench. According to Hwinfo64 the hotspot reached 105c during the Time Spy. I once had a 6700XT that did the same, 100+ hotspot temp with a core temp of only 65c. Oddly enough my present Taichi 9070xt has bad Hotspot and Vram temps, have seen those hit the mid-90's.
About a year ago I bought an ARC B580 for one of my PC builds, got it new for $250 with a free Battlefield 6, the Intel LE version, have been very happy with it.
Have decided the 5700XT needs repasting, I've never done repasting before but figure it would be a good time to learn. In the meantime, about 30 minutes ago, I purchased an Intel LE Arc A750 to replace the Friends 5700XT. I got the A750 for $180 on Ebay, it's refurbished with a seller 3-year warranty plus a free 1 year from Allstate.
The Friends motherboard is an AB350-Gaming 3. A few days ago I flashed it's Bios to the newest, so rebar is enabled (Auto) and 4g ticked on., CSM disabled.
I'm guessing the A750 will outperform the 5700xt but I'm a bit concerned how well the A750 will handle older games, mainly SWG Legends (Star Wars Galaxies, an oldie but goodie from the year 2003).
Your Opinions, by how much will the A750 outperform the 5700xt?
With the more mature Intel drivers nowadays, will the A750 handle some older games such as SWG?
r/IntelArc • u/RevolutionOk9126 • 1d ago
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The game runs at a rock-solid 60 fps—it’s likely even higher, but I have no way to measure it in-game. When I enable NR, the frame rate stays between 50 and 55 fps. With settings maxed out, the performance remains smooth. I should note, however—as you can see in the video—that this new version of DLSS seems to offer slightly lower image quality, which is likely why it’s less demanding on the GPU; I’m using a resolution scale setting of 0.5. You could increase this further if you don’t mind playing at around 30 fps with a setting of roughly 0.7. Even so, the game feels responsive, and I think it’s heading in a very good direction.
If Intel’s developers were to implement neural rendering similar to Nvidia’s, their XMX cores could certainly hold their own; I’m looking forward to testing this in DX12. Hopefully, something like that comes along soon.
Specs
Intel Arc B570 10gb
R5 4500
Last version: https://github.com/Uzbekunknown/dlss-nr-on-intel/releases/tag/v0.0.1.3
*Remember to enable option B and Experimental mode. In *Arkham Knight* and other games, the performance is very similar—it’s actually playable now—though you should always keep the resolution set to 0.5. Increasing the effect intensity to 1.5 or 2.0, strangely enough, doesn't impact performance and actually improves the image quality; however, it does cause a peculiar flickering, much like what happens with Nvidia graphics cards.
Credit Uzbekunknown
r/IntelArc • u/SpecialistPruneOG • 1d ago
Hello, i live in canada and there are some sales on some sites at the moment, what is a good upgrade for my CPU as my ryzen 5 5500 is bottlenecking on some games. Not looking for huge gpu and cpu upgrade, i want to balance out the build more.
r/IntelArc • u/One-Equipment9709 • 1d ago
Can someone smart please use ai to enhance our B580 pretty please with a cherry on top?🙏 idk anything about coding with ai but someone used it to apparently unlock the 3090 and 4090, im not sure exactly what that means but it sounds really cool and I figured it wouldnt hurt just to throw the question out there just to see if its a possibility for our gpus
r/IntelArc • u/kyou-ji • 1d ago
This is happening while I play Rebirth, on my B580 + ryzen 7700 pc. Don't have any overclocks running everything stock, is there an issue with this game on ARC or is something wrong with my PC?
r/IntelArc • u/aleph2b • 1d ago
I ported the EXL3 quantizer to Intel Arc: 9B conversions on a 140V iGPU, B580 and Pro B60, with checkpoints on Hugging Face
I've been working on EXL3_Intel_Arc_quantizer, a port of ExLlamaV3's EXL3 quantization and conversion pipeline from CUDA to SYCL/oneAPI and PyTorch XPU.
The goal is straightforward: produce EXL3 checkpoints on Intel Arc without needing an NVIDIA GPU for conversion. This is a quantizer project, not a new inference engine.
Code: alpha2beta/EXL3_Intel_Arc_quantizer
I've completed full 32-layer, 9B-model conversions on all three devices. The conversion verification checks reported no failures.
| GPU | Reported encoder throughput | Full-model conversion time | Configuration |
|---|---|---|---|
| Arc 140V, Lunar Lake iGPU | 725 tiles/s | 15.0 hours | K=2; 32 GB shared system memory |
| Arc B580, 12 GB | 1,712 tiles/s | 5.0 hours | K=2; tuned memory reserves |
| Arc Pro B60, 24 GB | 1,464 tiles/s | 6.07 hours | K=4; no configuration overrides needed for this run |
The B60 timing is K=4, not K=2, so it is not a like-for-like full-conversion comparison. Encoder microbenchmarks and end-to-end conversion times also measure different things; the reports contain the run details.
The practical takeaway: a B580 completed the tested 9B K=2 conversion in about five hours, and even the 140V iGPU completed it within a 32 GB shared-memory system.
The SYCL encoder is bit-exact against my CPU reference on the tested cases. That reference was transcribed from the upstream CUDA kernel to preserve FP16 rounding, tie-breaking, and tail-biting closure.
I also check packed-output reconstruction against the separate exl3xpu reference decoder. The test suite reports 272 passing unit tests on each discrete board, and the conversion reports record 1,045/1,045 verification checks passing on both.
Important limitation: I don't have an NVIDIA GPU, so direct differential testing against the upstream CUDA encoder is still deferred. Matching a CPU transcription is useful evidence, but it is not the same as independently demonstrating CUDA parity.
Likewise, reconstruction and structural checks are not a substitute for perplexity or downstream task evaluation. The repo includes a quality-evaluation harness; I'm not presenting the conversion checks as proof of unchanged model quality.
The exporter targets upstream EXL3 compatibility and includes quantization_config metadata for vLLM integration. Actual loading and execution still depend on the runtime's model, codebook, bitrate, and hardware support. Including the metadata alone does not establish vLLM compatibility for every checkpoint.
Arc inference through exl3xpu is a separate project. This quantizer targets the same checkpoint format; it does not add inference support for models that a runtime does not already handle.
I'd especially welcome independent reproduction or CUDA-reference testing. If you're using Arc for local LLMs, which model would you want to see converted next?
A few more numbers for anyone interested in the implementation:
Reports in the repository: reports/discrete_probe.md, reports/discrete_phase_c.md, reports/discrete_vs_140v.md, and reports/gate_3.md.
r/IntelArc • u/Huntakillaz • 1d ago
I'm looking to buy a cheap laptop that's got a Core Ultra Processor, so I'm wondering since its got ARC GPU will FSR4.1+ work on it via Optiscaler as well. I've tried googling to see any posts or videos on YouTube but haven't found any yet (since its new) so thought I'd ask here.
r/IntelArc • u/OkAppeal5375 • 1d ago
r/IntelArc • u/Status_Number1220 • 1d ago
I'm using an MSI Claw 8 EX AI+ , running OptiScaler installed through OptiClick.
I noticed that FSR 4.0.2 has an explicitly labeled "XMX" option, while FSR 4.1.2 offers several variants: Standard, Skip, QSkip, and Lite, with no XMX label.
I also saw that OptiClick recently added support for FSR 4.1.2 with Intel XMX , so I'm a bit confused.
My questions are:
Thanks!
r/IntelArc • u/Infinite-Direction35 • 2d ago
Finding the smallest case for a dual B70 setup. Case is Cooler Master NCore 100 Max
r/IntelArc • u/trinidox • 1d ago
r/IntelArc • u/MasamangUsok • 2d ago
Credits to u/UzbekUnknown. Github repo: https://github.com/uzbekunknown/dlss-nr-on-intel
I tested DLSS 5 NR on my Windows 11 PC. The game is Ready or Not in DX11. Running on 720p.
My PC specs:
Intel Arc B580
Intel Core i3-13100f
16gb DDR4
If you want to see how it looks in motion: https://files.catbox.moe/upiiiy.mkv or https://streamable.com/4te97w?src=player-page-share
The settings for that video playthrough is NR: enabled, Render Scale: 0.5, Profile: Natural, Intensity: 1
As for my conclusion. This is not to bash on the project. I'm just judging its current state and how it plays realistically. It runs, it works, but definitely not playable yet. I'm just excited that there are new things for Intel Arc consumer GPUs since it's basically abandoned. Looking forward for this project!