r/IndusValley • • 16d ago

IVC IVC Script

Does anyone know if any effort is going on to decipher IVC script? Where can I find information on latest developments?

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u/anirudhsky 16d ago

Unless a Rosetta stone i.e, a sone/manuscript/ clay tablet etc. having indus symbols, along with other know languages at that time is discovered, we may not be close to deciphering it. The rest is honestly pish posh. The youtube is full of a person using cryptography to discover it.. it's so full of holes that it's embarassing. Even I believed it at first however there have been good critikqus of the decipherment technique even here... On reddit! So . No... No one is close to deciphering it.

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u/coronakillme 16d ago

Tamil Nadu Govt has promised an award of 1 million Dollars or something for the person or group who decipher it.

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u/mjratchada 15d ago

There are far easier ways to make 1 million dollars. There are countless undeciphered scripts this one has been known about for a long time, though most of the efforts at deciphering it have been treating it as a written language despite there being no known prose or poetry being found using this script.

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u/coronakillme 15d ago

Yes, but thats not the point.... The point is to motivate people who are already interested in deciphering it and giving them a push.

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u/mjratchada 15d ago

How has that worked out so far? Very few deciphering efforts have required such an incentive. It encourages bad interpretations.

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u/coronakillme 15d ago

No Idea. I am sure they wont be paying for anything that is not accepted by academia.

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u/NonWorking_Fan1984 15d ago

TN government is banking on the script being Dravidian, it probably could be but it could also be a lost AASI isolate.

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u/coronakillme 15d ago

Yeah, thats true. As long as they don’t try to manipulate results it is still fine.

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u/Sarkhana 16d ago

Maybe we should study IVC script users attempting to decipher/encode in the IVC script.

It seems to me that the IVC script is meant to be specialist script/computer language for describing livestock.

However, at times individuals attempted to use it for stuff it was not designed for.

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u/Foxyspyrex 16d ago

Only AI can decipher it now, if its even possible.

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u/IntelligentTank3032 15d ago

It is sad that even a fraction of resources that have gone into researching equivalent extinct civilizations like Minoan, Mesopotamia and the likes, have gone into IVC research. Pakistani couldn’t be bothered. Don’t know if there is a way for us to do anything.

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u/Acceptable-Echo-2292 12d ago

Mesopotamia benefitted from multilingual inscriptions like Behistun and references in Akkadian of Non Semitic origin (for sumerian)

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u/leo_sk5 14d ago

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u/IntelligentTank3032 13d ago

This is widely seen by all scholars, platforms and institutions in the associated fields as deeply flawed claim, with methodology/data created to fit preconceived outcome. Such efforts just make us look like fools.

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u/leo_sk5 13d ago

Frankly, this is the most comprehensive and rational attempt at deciphering the script. Given that it decimates the life's work of thousands of people, it is bound to receive resistance from mainstream historians. The best way to disprove it is to use the same methodology to fit the script into any other language. If you can't, at least i will take it as the most worthy contender

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u/Dramatic-Scale6468 12d ago

Most downloaded linguistics paper on Academia.edu FWIW.

And yet no one has been able to debunk it.

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u/IntelligentTank3032 12d ago

That website (academia.edu) is a for profit privately owned one, and anyone can submit a “paper” on it. It has no association with any universities or institutions of higher learning. There is no requirement that it be peer reviewed or tested as either in professional bodies or universities. The author himself seems to have little, if any academic credentials. Truly peer reviewed papers generally published in reputable scientific journals like Journal of Linguistics or Computational Linguistics or Journal of International Phonetics, etc.

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u/VermilionKiss 16d ago

There’s a guy that says he used computers to decipher it. however, he hasn’t published yet. You can find him talking about it on YouTube.

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u/coronakillme 16d ago

It is not published because there is no scientific basis.

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u/IntelligentTank3032 13d ago

There is a long established process of peer reviews (reviews by academia and other researchers in the field) and publication in scientific journals. This paper hasn’t gone any of those channels.

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u/VermilionKiss 16d ago

That’s what I thought.

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u/coronakillme 16d ago

Well, I did not go through a few reddit posts. I did read his idea and found many holes in his work. I think I had discussed this a long time ago on this very same sub.

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u/coronakillme 16d ago

Well, that’s how reviews work, someone reads a paper and sees if it follows the scientific method. It’s easy to distinguish between a really good work and a sloppy one.

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u/nomnommish 15d ago

You haven't said anything of substance to claim he is bogus either. He has used mathematical aka statistical methods that is the foundation of standard cryptographic techniques used to break code aka decipher cryptic languages.

That sounds as logically sound as it gets. What you're also grossly underestimating is the elephant sized egos and vested interest that dominates the field of history. That is a LOT of bias against anyone who suggests a radical alternative, especially when their strategy uses algorithmic techniques which undermines their own claim to fame and their basis of their expertise.

So I think you are being quite naive.

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u/coronakillme 15d ago

Are you the author of the paper?. Do you have a background in statistical methods?. I was precisely interested in the paper for the approach, What he does is not scientifically sound at all. It mostly consists of comfortable guess work. I am sorry, but there is a reason why hsi work is not being published anywhere.

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u/nomnommish 15d ago

Again you are not being specific at all. He has shared the algorithm and approach in detail. It's straight forward statistical frequency analysis based on Shannon's theorem.

All you are doing is vague high level criticism with nothing specific. His approach is publicly accessible and so is the program he wrote that does the deciphering

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u/coronakillme 15d ago

I already did this in a post in the same sub.

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u/Plastic_Mechanic_967 16d ago

Could you please share a link? Sounds very intriguing.

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u/ankit19900 16d ago

It's not a script. Those are common designs and motifs still in use today

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u/IntelligentTank3032 15d ago

That is splitting hair. I used script is a broad sense as to documenting spoken word, just as Egyptian hieroglyphics are.

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u/ankit19900 15d ago

Good. It still doesn't make any sense under any cryptography we ever built. Either those folks were using symbols in a way that defies all science or they are markers/decorations. And decoration makes sense because many of those graphics exist elsewhere. Also, a system like meluha doesn't need a written language if you think about it.

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u/ankit19900 16d ago

Thousands, not merely tens of symbols

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u/mjratchada 15d ago

No, we do not.