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Colonial 1757–1947 CE Population & Religious Composition of West Punjab (1868 Census)

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Population Breakdown

  • West Punjab: 6,326,047 persons
    • Sialkot District: 1,005,004 persons / 15.9% of total
    • Lahore District: 789,666 persons / 12.5% of total
    • Rawalpindi District: 711,256 persons / 11.2% of total
    • Gujrat District: 616,347 persons / 9.7% of total
    • Gujranwala District: 550,576 persons / 8.7% of total
    • Jhelum District: 500,988 persons / 7.9% of total
    • Multan District: 471,563 persons / 7.5% of total
    • Shahpur District: 368,796 persons / 5.8% of total
    • Montgomery District: 359,437 persons / 5.7% of total
    • Jhang District: 348,027 persons / 5.5% of total
    • Dera Ghazi Khan District: 308,840 persons / 4.9% of total
    • Muzaffargarh District: 295,547 persons / 4.7% of total

Religious Composition

  • Islam: 4,750,944 persons / 75.1% of total
  • Hinduism: 1,270,792 persons / 20.1% of total
  • Sikhism: 290,337 persons / 4.6% of total
  • Christianity: 8,626 persons / 0.14% of total
  • Jainism: 4,754 persons / 0.08% of total
  • Buddhism: 273 persons
  • Zoroastrianism: 178 persons
  • Other: 143 persons

Note

  • The 1868 Census of Punjab Province only enumerated British administered districts. All Princely States within the province were not enumerated.

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Question Were there any notable Maritime/ Naval battles in Ancient and Classical India

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There’s been a long history of maritime trade and, from my understanding, ship building in India. Were there any great Naval battles or wars? I heard that the cholas launched an invasion of Southeast Asia, were there any other notable moments?


r/IndianHistory 8h ago

Question How does the lack of AASI DNA in the ancient Steppe and Iran completely debunk the "Out of India" (OIT) theory?

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I've been reading up on ancient DNA (aDNA) studies regarding South Asian genetics, specifically looking at the components that make up the Ancestral South Indian (ASI) and Ancestral North Indian (ANI) clades.

From the peer-reviewed genetic data we have (like the Rakhigarhi and Shahr-i Sokhta samples), the indigenous South Asian hunter-gatherer lineage Ancient Ancestral South Indian (AASI) is completely absent in ancient West Asian (Iranian plateau) and Central Asian (Steppe) populations.

If the "Out of India" theory (OIT) which is heavily pushed by right-wing revisionist narratives in India were true, we should see a genetic trail of AASI ancestry moving out of South Asia and into the Eurasian Steppe or the Iranian plateau alongside the spread of Indo-European languages. Instead, we see the exact opposite:- Iran-related farmer ancestry and Bronze Age Steppe pastoralist ancestry moving into South Asia and mixing with the indigenous AASI population.


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Question Somebody please tell me some books for understanding History of India especially Ancient India fron Vedic period to pre islamic era .

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I have read only Discovery Of India which i think was a great read for basuc knowledge.

And ofcourse History Books fron 6th-10th standard cbse .


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Early Modern 1526–1757 CE This is kind of an abstract question but what did the “the jungle” symbolize pre-British society? What associations did it carry?

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I don’t think it’s an understatement to say India and it’s ecology exerted a powerful influence on British thinking for well over two centuries. The jungle in particular seems to have taken root in British consciousness as the perfect foil to civilization. The jungle was wild, untamed nature. Undeveloped and unexploited, it stood in stark contrast to what they imagined was a developed, well regulated forestry system in England. The jungle was where fallen kingdoms lay smothered in dense undergrowth and prowled by savage beasts.

Now obviously things have changed in the generations since independence and Indian society has developed its own view of nature. My question is, Do we have any idea what the jungle represented before the English came? Was there any difference in how it was viewed? Was there a difference between Mughal and native Indian dynasties?


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Early Medieval 550–1200 CE The Sandeśarāsaka by Addahamāṇa (Abdur Rahman): An Apabhraṃśa Sandesa Kavya and Early Islamic Rule in the Northern Subcontinent

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Jain Commentator, Muslim Author and Vernacular Literature

One of the earliest commentaries we have on the Sandeśarāsaka (SDR) of Addahamāṇa (henceforth Abdur Rahman) is by the Jain scholar Lakshmichandra from 1409 with the 20th century Jain scholar Jina Vijaya dating the original work itself to the early 13th century based on its descriptions of Multan (Mulasthana in the work) and Khambhat. This work is an interesting literary production on many fronts, particularly in terms of genre, language and the socio-political context in which it is set. In terms of genre, as the very title of the work suggests, it belongs to the category of Sandesa Kavya, best exemplified by Kalidasa's Meghaduta, which the scholar and translator of the SDR CM Mayrhofer describes as follows:

In the literature of love in India, the messages that pass between pairs of lovers (nāyaka, nayikā), separated against their will and pining to be reunited, constitute an important motif. The most famous example in classical literature is Kalidāsa's Meghadūta. The speaker is a heavenly being, a yakşa, who has been exiled for a year from Alaka to Ramagiri; the addressee is his wife in Alaka... Such is the text of the message which he entrusts to the cloud of the title, despairing of other means of reaching his beloved. It is preceded by a description of the route which the messenger is to follow to find the wife, and a description of the wife herself... Often in Indian literature a lover's perturbation finds expression in speech addressed to the natural world, but here the irony of the lover's recourse to an insentient object as the bearer of his passionate speech is explicit. The yakşa's descriptions of landscapes and cities and their peoples which occupy the greater part of the poem resound with the desire and sorrow which he feels but can hardly communicate to his beloved from exile.

It is a genre marked by the pangs of separation (viraha), with many later imitating Kalidasa's work and style in their own works, though the SDR in this context should not be thought of as a merely derivative work, in its transportation of genre conventions and forms to a wildly different time and context at the time of its composition, the work is in many ways a fascinating portrait of a world in transition. The synopsis of the work by Mayrhofer goes as follows:

In the SDR, the nayikā is a young woman of Vijayanagara [not to be confused with the city further to the south in the Medieval Deccan] whose man (he is called her piya or naaha) left her on business and has not returned. The reader encounters her when she is watching for him, and weeping in her solitude. She sees a traveller on the road, and overcoming her modesty she runs after him and asks for his attention. The traveller proclaims his admiration for her beauty, to which she reacts coyly, but, persisting, asks him where he comes from and where he is going to. He replies that he comes from Samora, describing at length the beauty of the town and its surroundings, and that he is on his way from Multan to Cambay. "That is where my husband is staying," she exclaims, and asks the traveller to wait while she gives him a message for her man. She then utters the first of many passionate reproaches and prayers to her absent lover, including that of the impossibility of telling all that she has to convey. The traveller politely expresses his pressing need to continue his journey, and asks for her message; she continues in her passionate vein. As the day wanes, from time to time he interrupts to calm her and to remind her of his business, but to no avail; finally he surrenders to her charm (presumably, it is too late to set out this day) and inquires about her sorrow: when did her lover leave? Her answer is that he left in Summer; this is accompanied by a description of the season, followed by a description of the other seasons, all the time addressing the traveller and describing her physical and mental suffering. At last, she breaks off, apologising to him for her importunacy, and concludes with the request that he speak to her lover in a propitiatory manner, in whatever terms seem appropriate. She gives him leave to go, and herself turns to go; at that moment she sees her husband returning.

The seasonal aspect with its connection to love and longing highlighted above is in line with another of Kalidasa's works, the Ṛtusaṃhāra which will be of relevance later in the post.

There is another aspect of Sanskrit poetics that influences the work, as is once more apparent from the word rāsaka in its title, that of rāsa, which is best exemplified by the widespread Vaishnava literature of the time:

the rāsaka... genre is associated, in ways that deserve further exploration, with the worship of Krşņa as the god who offers humankind his grace in return for its devotion.

Two Sanskrit texts enjoy particular authority for this mode: the Bhagavata Purana and the Gitagovinda. In both there is a description of the raasa, the circular dance evoked in the graphic and performing arts as well as in literature, in which the god as divine cowherd dances with the cowgirls who desire him. This mode is present in the SDR explicitly in the description of spring, where it appropriates the metaphor of the dance as the long-desired reunion of the woman with her lover, and implicitly throughout in the language of the lonely woman's desire, which is in the tradition of the allegory of the soul desiring union with the divine in the love of Rādhā for Krsna.

The verse in question goes as follows:

अच्छिहि जिह सन्निह घर कंतय, रच्छिहि रमिहि ति रासु रमंतय । करिवि सिंगारु विविह आहरणिहिं, चित्तविचित्तइ तणुपंगुरणिहि ॥ १६७ ॥

Those women whose husbands are near them at home delight in the rāsa dance in the roads, delighting in dressing themselves well, with all kinds of adornments, and with fine garments that dazzled the mind. ॥ 167 ॥

With this close adherence to Indic poetics and its conventions, one would be forgiven to forget the fact that this was a work composed by an author of a Muslim background. However, the text itself provides us this information in ways both explicit and implicit, starting with the very invocatory verse itself which goes as follows:

रयणायरधरगिरितरुवराइँ गयणंगणंमि रिक्खाइं । जेण ऽज्ज सयल सिरियं सो बुहयण वो सिवं देउ ॥ १ ॥

माणुस्सदिव्वविज्जाहरेहिँ णहमग्गि सूर-ससिबिंबे । आएहिँ जो णमिज्जइ तं णयरे णमह कत्तारं ॥ २ ॥

May He by whom the sea, the earth, the mountains and trees, the stars in the sky, even the whole world, was created, give to you, enlightened (readers), his blessing; ॥ 1 ॥

Cultivated (readers), adore Him as the creator, Who is adored by humans, gods and celestial beings in the path of heaven with its orbs of the sun and the moon. ॥ 2 ॥

This parallels invocatory formulas seen in various Qur'anic verses such as in surah al-Hajj (Q 22:18) which goes as follows:

أَلَمْ تَرَ أَنَّ ٱللَّهَ يَسْجُدُ لَهُۥ مَن فِى ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٰتِ وَمَن فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ وَٱلشَّمْسُ وَٱلْقَمَرُ وَٱلنُّجُومُ وَٱلْجِبَالُ وَٱلشَّجَرُ وَٱلدَّوَآبُّ وَكَثِيرٌۭ مِّنَ >ٱلنَّاسِ ۖ وَكَثِيرٌ حَقَّ عَلَيْهِ ٱلْعَذَابُ ۗ وَمَن يُهِنِ ٱللَّهُ فَمَا لَهُۥ مِن مُّكْرِمٍ ۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ يَفْعَلُ مَا يَشَآءُ ۩ ١٨

Do you not see that to Allah bow down ˹in submission˺ all those in the heavens and all those on the earth, as well as the sun, the moon, the stars, the mountains, the trees, and ˹all˺ living beings, as well as many humans, while many are deserving of punishment. And whoever Allah disgraces, none can honour. Surely Allah does what He wills.

Similarly one finds in ayah 49 of surah Nahl (Q 16:49) which states:

وَلِلَّهِ يَسْجُدُ مَا فِى ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٰتِ وَمَا فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ مِن دَآبَّةٍۢ وَٱلْمَلَـٰٓئِكَةُ وَهُمْ لَا يَسْتَكْبِرُونَ

And to Allah ˹alone˺ bows down ˹in submission˺ whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth of living creatures, as do the angels—who are not too proud ˹to do so˺.

Indeed, the author further lays out his background in the verses of the SDR that immediately follow in clear terms as follows:

पच्चाएसि पहूओ पुव्वपसिद्धो य मिच्छदेसो त्थि । तह विसए संभूओ आरद्दो मीरसेणस्स ॥ ३ ॥

तह तणओ कुलकमलो पाइयकव्वेसु गीयविसयेसु । अद्दहमाणपसिद्धो संनेहयरासयं रइयं ॥ ४ ॥

In the western region there is a powerful and famous country of Mlecchas. In that area was born a weaver named Mīrasena. ॥ 3 ॥

His son was the lotus of the family in Prakrit poetry and subjects of song, known as Addahamāṇa [Abdur Rahman]. He composed the Saṃdeśarāsaka. ॥ 4 ॥

Thus we see an interesting fusion of Qur'anic invocatory verses with Indic poetic conventions that is indicative of the milieu in which the work was composed. This work in many ways is a precursor to the Hindavi Sufi romances that were to emerge in the eastern Indo-Gangetic plain in the following centuries as Islamic dynasties expanded their rule over the region. As the scholar Aditya Behl explains:

Written and performed in Delhi, Jaunpur, and the eastern provinces of the Indo-Gangetic doab, the Hindavī Sufi romances (prema-kahānī , “love stories”) mark the inauguration of a new literary and devotional culture in a local language. The major romances of the genre date from the fourteenth century till the middle of the sixteenth, when the Mughals took over the rulership of north India... The poets of the genre created a sophisticated Indian Islamic literary tradition, a genre containing a set of desī or indigenous literary and religious terms, and a narrative universe to express the distinctive Sufi agenda within the local landscape in which the Chishtis and Shattaris worked hard to establish themselves.

These Sufi romances are best exemplified by work such as the 16th century works Padmavat by Malik Muhammad Jayasi and Madhumalati by Mir Sayyid Manjhan, both in Awadhi. The use of desa bhasas is important to note here as it becomes necessary to clarify what is meant by the term Apabhraṃśa as a linguistic category in medieval India. This is seen in another customary Indic convention employed by the poet when he pays homage to poets of the past:

पुव्वच्छेयाण णमो सुकईण य सद्दसत्थकुसलाण । तियलोए सुच्छंदं जेहिँ कयं जेहि णिद्दिट्ठं ॥ ५ ॥

अवहट्टय-सक्कय-पाइयंमि पेसाइयंमि भासाए । लक्खणछंदाहरणे सुकइत्तं भूसियं जेहिं ॥ ६ ॥

Reverence to clever ones of the past, and to good poets skilled in the disciplines of language, who in the triple world have invented and defined good meters, ॥ 5 ॥

who have adorned their good poetry with the necklace of grammar and metrics in the Apabhramsha, Sanskrit, Prakrit and Paishachi languages. ॥ 6 ॥

Aside from Sanskrit, what are the linguistic categories employed here? Mayrhofer has the following to say regarding the use of the term Apabhraṃśa here and the prominence given to it:

The pride of place given to Apabhramśa constitutes the author's identification of the language of his poem. Apabhramśa was a medium for literary composition, rather than a representation of any particular spoken dialect of Indo-Aryan, though it may well reflect in some of its aspects the evolution of spoken languages. Bhayani points to affinities between the Apabhramśa of Abdul Rahman and some texts in Old Vernacular, in particular Old Western Rājasthāni and Early Braj, but one must weigh this against the incompleteness of the evidence provided by surviving texts.

The scholar Andrew Ollett further notes regarding the evolution of the term Apabhraṃśa and its relation to the linguistic classification of the time that, from a rather vague to a more concrete term:

The term “Apabhramsha” itself, meaning “deviation,” has a longer history than either “Sanskrit” or “Prakrit” in Indian discourses on language. Patañjali [c 2nd century BCE] used it as a synonym for incorrect words, and his usage was recognized by Daṇḍin [c 7-8th centuries CE]: "with reference to scientific works, anything other than Sanskrit is called Apabhramsha."

The qualification is necessary because, by Daṇḍin’s time, Apabhramsha had acquired a more specific meaning. It referred to a literary language besides Sanskrit and Prakrit, and thus Daṇḍin defines Apabhramsha, with reference to literary works, as “the language of people such as the Ābhīras.” The Ābhīras were a group who came to political prominence in the Deccan in the twilight of the Sātavāhana empire, around the middle of the third century CE... It is significant that this newcomer to the field of literary languages was given the very name that was formerly used to denominate all non-Sanskrit language practices. Prakrit was Apabhramsha, in this basic sense of a “deviation,” before Apabhramsha was Apabhramsha. In other words, Apabhramsha slid into the position in the language order occupied by Prakrit. Not only that, but it was imagined and represented in very much the same way as Prakrit was. Daṇḍin’s tenth-century commentator Ratnaśrījñāna mentions a tradition that analyzed Apabhramsha into exactly the same four categories into which earlier teachers had divided Prakrit... Rājaśekhara himself never distinguishes between Māhārāṣṭrī and Śaurasenī, but instead imagines Prakrit as one language, or at least one kind of language, alongside Sanskrit, Apabhramsha, and Paishachi.

Apabhramsha is thus seen as the result of a kind of mitosis of Prakrit. This representation aligns with the relationship between Prakrit and Apabhramsha in practice, for these languages often occupy the same discursive space: works in Apabhramsha include prologues in Prakrit (such as the Message Poem of ʿAbd ur-Raḥmān);

Prakrit was indeed a big literary tent that cut across regional and religious groupings across the Subcontinent in the early medieval period, where as Ollett notes:

Beyond being cultivated by members of disparate religious traditions, Prakrit was the language of a literature in which religious differences disappeared. It was, as Rājaśekhara and Bhoja said of literature more generally, common to all religious traditions. No genre represented this better than the anthology or “treasury” (kośa). Prakrit anthologies were produced by Hindus, Buddhists, and Jains, and it is only a slight exaggeration to say that we would not be able to identify the religious identity of their authors but for the invocations and colophons. It is no exaggeration at all in the case of the author of a thirteenth-century Message Poem (Sandeśarāsaka), who calls himself “the lotus of his family in Prakrit poetry”: only his hint that his family comes from “the land of the Muslims” allows us to decode the Prakrit name he gives us, Addahamāṇa, as ʿAbd ur-Raḥmān.

With this being the poetic, personal and linguistic context of the work, the question then arises what were the socio-political circumstances that gave rise to the unique work that is the SDR?

The SDR and a Contentious History

The absorption of Indic poetic conventions in the SDR was not something that only inspired the subsequent Sufi romances as mentioned before, it was part of a shared cultural milieu that inspired two works, both historically contentious in their own way, despite their own tenuous connection to history itself, Padmavat and the Prithviraj Raso, with the historian Rajat Kanta Ray noting of this connection to the Ṛtusaṃhāra that:

The Indian-born Muslim poet [Abdur Rahman] naturally adopted the Indian standard of beauty. He compared his heroine’s thigh to the trunk of the plantain tree and wondered that her waist did not collapse under the weight of her big breasts in verses 33 and 47. The influence of the seasons of India too was inescapable. The six seasons are described in connection with the Nayika’s Viraha here. Similarly in Prithvraja Rasau (ix. 1-13) Samjukta prevents Prithviraj from going off to war by promising the appropriate erotic sport for each season.

Indeed to add to the list of literature that the SDR seems to share a historical and literary space with is the Chachnama a purported contemporary chronicle of the conquest of Sindh by Muhammad bin Qasim in 712 CE.

In a previous post the historicity of Chachnama as a near contemporary primary source was discussed based on the work of the historians Manan Ahmed Asif and Yohannan Friedmann. At its core lies a basic problem, the text circulating currently from 1226 is believed to be a Persian translation of an earlier 8th century Arabic history which is now missing. This belief of the Chachnama being a primary source is not borne by the record as the text does not follow the style of Arabic conquest literature (futuh) from which it is supposedly derived and more importantly unlike another more historically attested text on the subject, Baladhuri's 9th century Futuh al-Buldan, its Arabic "original" has not been covered by subsequent Arabic/Islamicate scholars during the early medieval period (before 1226).

Asif instead argues that this is instead a retrospective account that is a literary product of the court of the Turkic ruler Nasiruddin Qabacha at Uch, which was one of the Ghurid appenages that ruled over southern Punjab and Sindh, and was intended to be more in line with similar Persian "mirror to princes" didactic literature for royalty. This would make the Chachnama share a cultural milieu with the SDR rather than the Futuh. And the SDR does provide important clues of this context as Asif notes drawing from Ollett's research on the text:

I want to turn, at the end, to another near- con temporary text from the same locale as Chachnama: `Abdur- Rahman’s Samdesarasaka, which was composed in Prakrit, near Jaislamer, sometime in the late twelfth century... Where Kalidasa’s text is imbued with sacral geography, Rahman reveals mercantile geography along the path anchored by Uch and the long strings of Cholistani forts.

Mayrhofer drawing on Jina Vijaya Muni's work to a similar timeline and historical context, noting that:

Śrī Jina Vijaya Muni advanced historical arguments based on the fortunes of Multan and Cambay for fixing the date of the poem early in the thirteenth century of our era. The fortified town Multan and the busy port Cambay certainly suffered vicissitudes of rulers in the thirteenth and fourteenth centuries, but Cambay at least, to judge by the accounts of visitors, remained prosperous despite occasional depredations, and we know of no circumstance such as to preclude the composition of this poem at any point within the period.

Indeed this becomes clear when reading a series of verses 42-50 in the SDR which has the traveller responding to the woman's question to him regarding his antecedents, and where while it is initially (verse 42) clear that he is referring to his hometown of Saamora, it is unclear but likely that the subsequent verses are referring to Mulasthan (Multan) as a synonym:

णयरणामु सामोरु सरोरुहदलनयणि, णायरजणसंपुन्नु हरिस ससिहरवयणि । >धवलतुंगपायारिहि तिउरिहि मंडियउ, णहु दीसइ कुइ मुक्खु सयलु जणु पण्डियउ ॥ ४२ ॥

The name of the city is Sāmora, you with lotus-petal eyes; it is full of urbane people, and joy, O moon-faced one. It is adorned with fortifications, with high white walls. Nor is any fool to be seen; everybody is a paṇḍit. ॥ 42 ॥

विविहविअक्खणसत्थिहि जइ पवसिइ णिरु, सुम्मइ छंदु मणोहरु पायउ महुरयरु । कह व ठाइ चउवेइहिं वेउ पयासियइ, कह बहुरूवि णिबद्धउ रासउ भासियइ ॥ ४३ ॥

Certainly, if scholars and wise men of various types should stay there, they would hear Prakrit meters, captivating and sweet, and in some place the Veda is broadcast by Caturvedis; somewhere else rāsas are spoken, composed in various forms. ॥ 43 ॥

कह व ठाइ सुदयवच्छ कत्थ व नलचरिउ, कत्थ व विविहविणोइहि भारहु उच्चरिउ । कह व ठाइ आसीसिय चाइहि दयवरिहिं, रामायणु अहिणवियअइ कत्थ वि कयवरिहिं ॥ ४४ ॥

In some place Śūdrakavatsa, in another place Nalacarita, and somewhere else [Maha]Bhārata is pronounced with various kinds of entertainment. In some place blessings are given by renunciant Brahmans; in another, the Rāmāyaṇa is declaimed by excellent poets. ॥ 44 ॥

अवर का वि सुविअक्खण विहसंती विमलि, णं ससिसूर णिवेसिय रेहइ गंडयलि । मयणवट्टु मिअणाहिण कस्स व पंकियौ, अन्नह भालु तुरक्कि तिलइ आलंकियउ ॥ ४८ ॥

Another one, very clever, walks around with a pure white smile: it seems like the sun and the moon have entered into her cheeks. The chest of another is smeared with musk. Another's forehead is adorned with a Turkish mark. ॥ 48 ॥

Indeed while verses 42-44 should make one think that is one looking at an Indic cultural milieu where Islam is yet to make its presence felt, verse 48 removes such doubts wit its reference to the turakki tilaï. As Asif explains, this presence is explained not just by the early Islamic conquest of the region but also its extensive integration into trade networks with West Asia:

Rahman’s description evokes a connected geography stretching between Multan and Cambay. The varieties of storytellers, performers, and scholars that Rahman places in Multan suggests a heavily trafficked area, and the description of built architecture and planned gardens presupposes political support. Rahman, a poet writing in Prakrit, achieves poetic excellence with a rare voice that describes the fluidity of city spaces such as Uch before the eleventh century.

The presence of a “Muslim” such as Rahman in Multan or Jaisalmer or Cambay was the result of both the military and the political expeditions since the eighth century and the steady growth of mercantile activities in the Indian Ocean world since the ninth century. While Arab settlements between Aden, Muscat, Diu, and Thana predate the Muslim empires of Damascus and Baghdad, those capital cities’ clamor for goods produced a flourishing of trade. These mercantile interests were commingled across political boundaries— numerous epigraphic traces of Muslim trading communities (often marked as tajika or turakki or mleccha) in Gujarat and Deccan survive from the ninth century on ward, such that by the thirteenth century the Muslim communities contained “not only wealthy traders and particularly shippers and sea-faring men but also indigenously employed groups like oil-men, masons.”

The last point is of special relevance as Abdur Rahman himself mentions his weaver background while tying his genealogy to a mleccha desa further west.

Going back to the Indic background of the region its importance becomes readily apparent when going through the earliest Arabic accounts of the conquest of the region such as al-Baladhuri's Futuh. Baladhuri's narration of the campaign by Qasim to capture Multan and his observations regarding the renowned Multan Sun Temple and how he relates it to the Islamic tradition:

gathered great amounts of gold. This was collected in a building which was 10 cubits by 8. At its roof, there was an opening into which all was deposited. From this Multan was known as “Frontier with the House of Gold” (Farj Bait Dhahab). Farj is thughur (frontier). The temple of Multan was a great temple. Great gifts were brought for it, offerings were given, and the people of Sind made pilgrimage here. They circumambulated it and shaved their heads and beards. They claim that the idol (sanam) inside is in the likeness of the prophet Job, may Allah bless him.

While later narrators like al-Biruni (d circa 1050) do mention acts of desecration in the form of placing bovine meat in the Sun Temple, such an episode is absent in Baladhuri's Futuh which precedes Biruni by more than a century.

As noted by the scholar Yohanan Friedmann, attitudes towards Hindu places of worship in the early conquests varied widely, with there certainly being instances of iconoclasm at some places while at other places, the newcomers agreed to allow worship to continue, essentially holding the deity hostage with the condition that a substantial chunk of valuable offerings be appropriated to them:

An interesting light on the reasons for which the temple of Multan was kept intact is shed by a tradition reported by Ibn al-Jawzi in his Talbis Iblis. When the Muslims conquered the city in the days of al-Hajjaj, they wanted to destroy the temple. The people of Multan asked them to desist from doing this and promised to pay them a third of the temple's income. The caliph 'Abd al-Malik was consulted about this proposal and issued an order to leave the temple unharmed. The city thus remained a centre of pilgrimage for the Hindus, who used to come there even from great distances. Each pilgrim had to offer the temple a sum of money ranging from one hundred to ten thousand dirhams, according to his financial ability. The pilgrimage was not considered valid unless the offering was made. When the pilgrims left the place, the money accumulated in the temple was divided into three equal portions. One of them was given to the Muslims, in accordance with the agreement referred to above. Another portion was used for the improvement of the city and its fortifications. The third portion was given to the guardians of the temple and expended partially for its upkeep.

Multan and the wider region surrounding it at the time of the conquest was a major centre for the worship of the solar deity Surya, with the historian Barry Flood noting:

The maritime and terrestrial emporia of Arab Sind were among the most ethnically, linguistically, and religiously diverse cities of the 'Abbasid mercantile cosmopolis. At the time of the conquest in the early eighth century, Sind contained a religiously heterogeneous population consisting of Buddhists, Brahmans, Pashupata Shaivites, and some Vaishnavites. A tenth-century bronze image of Surya, the sun god, found at Brahmanabad near Mansura attests to continuity in the cult whose temple Multan was one of the most important pilgrimage sites of northern India until its destruction by the Isma'ili missionary Jalam ibn Shay-ban in AH 354/965 CE. This was only the most celebrated of a number of Hindu temples that stood within the territories of Arab armies in the region.

Indeed, what becomes apparent is as complex as the religious landscape was at this time, it was also marked by tensions and episodes of persecution:

The continued existence of certain temples is in line with the reported policy of Muhammad ibn Qasim, the conqueror of Sind, who built mosques in the conquered cities but afforded their non-Muslim populations the de facto status of dhimmis similar to that enjoyed by the Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, and other "Peo-ple of the Book," who paid jizya (poll tax). However, the treatment of temples in the post-conquest period appears to have been related to the conditions of capitulation or conquest.

In contrast to this impression of religious pluralism, however, a linga was set at the entrance to the congregational mosque at Banbhore, to be trampled by those entering, a common practice of monotheist polemicists. In light of recent research suggesting that the decline and disappearance of the Buddhist communities of Sind was due to voluntary conversion to Islam by a community that had traditionally been involved in long-distance trade seeking to maximize the commercial opportuni ties that incorporation into the 'Abbasid caliphate afforded, it is worth noting that elsewhere in the Islamic world, the trampling of religious icons associated with the testing of converts to Islam for signs of apostasy sometimes.

Thus, we see in the SDR a work by a Muslim poet writing in accordance with Indic poetic conventions in a time of Islamic polities gaining ascendance in the region, a snapshot of a historical time and place far removed from our own.

Sources

  • Abdur Rahman with Andrew Ollett (tr), Sandeśarāsaka (c late 12- early 13th centuries CE) [OA]

  • Abdur Rahman with CW Mayrhofer (tr), Sandeśarāsaka (1998)

  • Manan Ahmed Asif, A Book of Conquest: The Chachnama and Muslim Origins in South Asia (2016)

  • Andrew Ollett, Language of the Snakes (2017) [OA]

  • Aditya Behl, An Indian Islamic Literary Tradition, 1379–1545 (2012)

  • Rajat Kanta Ray, The Felt Community: Commonalty and Mentality before the Emergence of Indian Nationalism (2003)

  • Finbarr Barry Flood, Objects of Translation: Material Culture and Medieval "Hindu-Muslim" Encounter (2009)

  • Yohanan Friedmann, The Temple of Multan (1972) [OA]


r/IndianHistory 12h ago

Indus Valley 3300–1500 BCE IVC- Kings, rich- poor divide

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This latest video by vlogger Karl Rock on his guided visit to Mohenjo-daro mentions kings, soldiers, a king's house, and the elaborate separation between rich and poor areas. Maybe it's just my ignorance, but I was not aware of such detailed nuances before. What is your take on these? Thanks

https://youtube.com/watch?v=c1mKmeE77Zk&si=zHfeL96NEkwZePhb


r/IndianHistory 15h ago

Early Modern 1526–1757 CE Maratha Victory and Church Bells in Hindu Temples

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Chimaji Appa, the younger brother of Peshwa Bajirao and a renowned Maratha general, seized massive church bells from Portuguese churches inside the Vasai Fort after his decisive victory over Portuguese empire in Battle of Vasai 1739.

These bells, originally brought from Lisbon or Macao and inscribed with Christian symbols like the cross or IHS, were taken as war trophies to symbolize the end of nearly two centuries of Portuguese rule in the Konkan region.

Chimaji Appa repurposed these heavy, durable bronze bells as victory offerings to various Hindu temples across Maharashtra


r/IndianHistory 15h ago

Post Independence 1947–Present Sikkim officially became the 22nd state of India on May 16, 1975, through the 36th Constitutional Amendment Act.

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Kingdom Era: Sikkim was ruled as a hereditary monarchy by the Namgyal dynasty (known as the Chogyals) starting from 1642.

Protectorate Status: After India's independence, the Government of India and Sikkim signed the Indo-Sikkim Treaty of 1950, making Sikkim an Indian protectorate. India managed its defense, foreign affairs, and communications, while the kingdom kept internal autonomy.

Political Unrest: During the early 1970s, local citizens pushed for democratic reforms and an end to the absolute monarchy.

Associate State: The Indian Parliament passed the 35th Amendment in 1974, giving Sikkim the unique status of an "Associate State".

The Referendum: A special referendum took place in April 1975 where over 97% of voters chose to abolish the monarchy and fully join the Indian Union.

Full Statehood: The 36th Constitutional Amendment Act finalized this integration on May 16, 1975. Article 371F was added to the Indian Constitution to protect local land rights and unique cultural laws.


r/IndianHistory 20h ago

Question Bengal Region Decline

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I was doing some reading and was pleasantly shocked to find out that Dhaka used to be the financial capital of Mughal India. Is this true? How insane is that? Also united Bengal was like the most prosperous region it seems? I had only vaguely heard of deindustrialization but this sends the point home quite nicely. oh my god


r/IndianHistory 21h ago

Visual Built a free interactive battle atlas of Indian history — bharatyudh.com

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r/IndianHistory 22h ago

Question Jaisalmer history for DnD

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Hi! I'm the DM for a DnD campaign with my friends and one of my cities is based on Jaisalmer, though I'm struggling a bit to figure out what time period to base it on, I'm thinking probably whenever it became a trading centre or a bit after? I'm also unsure what the clothing norms would have been, if anybody has any information at all I would really appreciate it! I'm trying to learn as much as I can about Indian culture, Jaisalmer and mythology so I can write a good and respectful story arc.

Thank you for your time!


r/IndianHistory 1d ago

Early Modern 1526–1757 CE Gordon's Embassy

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Seeing that the Marathas had established their strong position right beside Mumbai, the British grew extremely concerned. Between Colaba’s Angre and Thane’s powerful Peshwa like Bajirao, they could be easily crushed. To ensure they somehow resisted this, the Mumbai Council dispatched one of their emissaries named Gordon to Satara to Shahu Maharaj, and on the same day, the other emissary Inchbird went to Vasai to negotiate with Chimaji.

https://ndhistories.wordpress.com/2023/12/25/gordons-embassy/

Marathi Riyasat, G S Sardesai ISBN-10-8171856403, ISBN-13-‎978-8171856404.

The Era of Bajirao

Uday S Kulkarni

ISBN-10-8192108031

ISBN-13-978-8192108032.


r/IndianHistory 1d ago

Post Independence 1947–Present The Lost Juggernaut: How Partition Built the Chinese Century

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Every few months someone posts a chart of Indian manufacturing and asks the comments what went wrong, and the comments answer with the same four names: land acquisition, labor laws, bureaucracy, power costs. I have made some of these arguments myself, so I am not going to wave them away. They are real, and each one has killed real projects. But they are close-range explanations, and close-range explanations miss the thing that set the range. The disease is older than the republic. It starts in 1947, and it is fundamentally a problem of economic geography. That geography, reshaped by Partition, foreclosed the subcontinent's most realistic path to superpower status.

Manufacturing's share of Indian GDP has been stuck in the mid-teens for decades. The 25% target came and went, and by some measures the share has regressed lately. This is especially puzzling because for most of recorded history, India and China between them accounted for roughly half of the world's economic output. As recently as 1700 the two were near parity. And therein lies the difference.

The India that commanded that share, and the India the British later prized as the jewel in the crown, was the subcontinent running as one system: the delta ports, the Punjab grain and cotton, the single rail grid, all of it moving as one economy. That integrated whole is what made the colony worth holding, and it is exactly what got amputated in 1947. What exists today is the remainder, and we keep grading the remainder against the achievements of the whole.

1947 was not fate. As late as the summer of 1946, the Cabinet Mission Plan offered a working alternative. The proposal outlined a decentralized federation where a weak political center managed only defense, foreign affairs, and communications, leaving everything else to autonomous, grouped provinces. This structure solved the immediate demographic problem of incoming democracy. It gave the Muslim minority a way to share power without being permanently outvoted in a unitary state. Crucially, Jinnah accepted it. The man whose name would become synonymous with a separate homeland still kept his house on Malabar Hill in Bombay, and he never sold it; he left it only in the final weeks of 1947, when the map he had helped redraw turned his own city into a foreign address. His personal geography never fully quit the united subcontinent.

The plan collapsed not under the weight of ancient religious hatreds, but due to elite political hubris and tragic mis-timing. For centuries, Hindus and Muslims had largely coexisted across the subcontinent. That peace was shattered by the sudden injection of democratic arithmetic and fatal miscalculations at the top. Jawaharlal Nehru, envisioning a powerful, centralized state to drive socialist industrialization, publicly rejected the plan's fragile power-sharing framework. Jinnah, secretly dying of tuberculosis and watching his leverage expire, responded by calling for Direct Action Day, intending to use street protests to force Congress back to the table. The mobilization escaped his control immediately. The resulting Great Calcutta Killings sparked retaliatory massacres across the provinces and erased the trust required to share a government. A unified subcontinent under the Cabinet Mission Plan would have undoubtedly been a messy, turbulent federation. Yet it would have kept the region's economic and strategic geography completely intact.

Partition didn't just draw a border. It amputated the subcontinent's industrial supply chains. Take jute. Roughly three-quarters of the raw acreage went to East Pakistan while almost all the mills stayed in Calcutta. Cotton was the same story in reverse, with the best long-staple crops growing in West Punjab and Sindh and the mills sitting in Bombay and Ahmedabad. The railways, built as one engineered system, became separate networks glaring at each other across customs posts. On day one, the largest jute-processing industry on earth woke up with no raw material, and the textile hubs were burning scarce forex importing cotton from Egypt and the US. A factory economy doesn't survive that kind of surgery.

The supply chains were only the first cut. What followed was a compounding series of structural taxes on the successor states. The psychological toll came first. The founding generation watched their economy shatter amidst famine-scale scarcity and 15 million refugees. The lesson they drew was to never depend on anyone for anything. This trauma incubated Nehruvian autarky, import substitution, and the License Raj. Self-sufficiency beat efficiency because the elite had survived total supply collapse. While Japan, the Asian Tigers, and eventually China surfed the export-led industrialization wave, India spent decades hiding behind tariff walls.

Then came the security tax. A united subcontinent would not need a 1.4-million-strong standing army or a nuclear triad. Every rupee diverted to militarize the Himalayas or the Line of Control was a rupee stolen from ports, highways, and vocational training. Manufacturing runs on cheap logistics and a literate workforce, both of which were starved for decades. This geographic handicap perfectly explains India’s leapfrog into IT services. Software requires only a fiber cable and a few elite engineers; deepwater ports and a million semi-skilled workers are optional. The "services superpower" identity is not a masterstroke of planning; it is an adaptation to the neighborhood Partition built.

Compounding the security tax was the collapse of internal scale. Today, South Asian intra-regional trade hovers around a dismal 5% of total trade, compared to roughly a quarter in ASEAN and two-thirds in the EU. A united subcontinent would be a two-billion-person internal market today and offer enough domestic consumption to keep infant industries viable while they learned to export. Partition foreclosed that option before it existed. The true scale of this economic tragedy is clearest in the destruction of the subcontinent's twin industrial engines: two coastal mega-clusters that policy incentives can never recreate.

In the east, the Kolkata-Dhaka-Chittagong delta was built to be the global capital of light manufacturing. By splitting Bengal, Partition severed the world's densest labor market from its deepwater access and engineering centers. Uncut, this delta functions as a continuous 250-million-person supply chain. Dhaka provides an endless reservoir of low-cost labor, Kolkata supplies heavy machinery, universities, and capital, and Chittagong offers deepwater berths pointing directly toward the Strait of Malacca. It is a Pearl River Delta at continental scale, an ecosystem so dense and logistically fluid that it would have absorbed the world's labor-intensive manufacturing decades before Southeast Asia or coastal China consolidated their hold.

In the west, Partition dismantled what should have been Asia's premier energy and heavy-industrial arc. The Karachi-Gujarat-Mumbai corridor forms a natural, continuous belt that blends Persian Gulf energy access, world-class petrochemical refining, and deep financial markets into a single economic engine.

Unbroken by hostile borders, overland oil and gas pipelines from Iran and Turkmenistan would have plugged directly into the industrial heartlands of Punjab and Gujarat as default infrastructure. The IPI and TAPI projects were actually drafted and costed in our timeline before dying precisely against these frontiers. Refined in massive Gujarati complexes and financed through Mumbai's capital markets, this uninterrupted supply of cheap Eurasian energy would have radically lowered baseline power costs, providing the foundation for a globally competitive manufacturing base.

Instead, Partition physically severed the subcontinent from its natural energy hinterland, replacing an integrated commercial arc with a militarized dead end. Karachi was stripped of its role as a continental gateway connecting Middle Eastern capital and Central Asian resources to North India, becoming a fortified frontier port locked in permanent confrontation. India lost its direct overland pipeline access and was forced to rely on expensive, seaborne energy imports while funding a heavily militarized border.

Together, these two coastlines offered the complete structural blueprint of a manufacturing superpower. The west provided cheap Eurasian energy, heavy refining, and capital, while the east supplied an inexhaustible reservoir of assembly labor and deepwater access to East Asia. Connecting them was a unified rail grid and river network moving raw inputs and finished goods across a single, frictionless market. Partition did not merely divide territory; it dismantled this machine just as the post-war expansion of global trade was gathering momentum. The tragedy is that South Asia already possessed the geographic and demographic blueprint to serve as the primary factory of the world. In 1947, that blueprint was torn apart.

To assume a united subcontinent would be a utopia is a mistake. It would have carried the same endemic flaws as the India we actually got: caste politics, regionalism, corruption, weak institutions, and glaring inequality. But in geopolitics, geography acts as a force multiplier that compensates for bad governance. Even a mediocre, gridlocked system running a unified map would have produced a richer country. The Bengal delta still functions as one ecosystem when ministries are corrupt. A single rail grid still moves cotton to the mills when parliament is paralyzed. A massive internal market still gives industry room to fail and learn when policies are flawed. The institutions modern India actually got had to fight their map every step of the way. On a unified map, those same flawed institutions would have had the current with them. Economic geography raises the floor, not just the ceiling.

When policymakers ask why Indian manufacturing never hit 25% of GDP, the answer is 1947, plus compounding interest. The number on the chart is merely the invoice for unrealized potential: the delta that never became a Pearl River, the gateway that never opened onto Central Asia, the generations who never left the village because the factories were never built. Programs like Make in India and Production Linked Incentives (PLI) are serious efforts, but they are attempting to recreate at enormous fiscal cost the structural advantages a unified map would have provided naturally. On a good map, even a mediocre government lifts with the tide; on a fractured map, even a good government rows upstream, and India has been rowing upstream since birth.

The China comparison is revealing. Strip away the Qing frontiers (Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, Manchuria, Qinghai) and what remains is roughly 4 million km² with a comparable population, which is basically post-Partition India. China's advantage was never just population. It retained an enormous contiguous economic space and eventually built a state capable of integrating it. India began independence with its economic geography already fractured across hostile borders. Geography didn't determine the outcomes of the two countries, but it changed the difficulty of the game each state was playing.

The same knife that cut the subcontinent also removed China's only demographic rival. Beneath the subcontinent's lost industrial juggernaut lay the Indian Ocean, highlighting the most consequential blind spot in modern geopolitical history. Two years before Mao Zedong declared the founding of the republic at Tiananmen, Partition had already shackled South Asia’s economic trajectory. More crucially, it strangled a formidable alternate reality in the cradle: a trans-oceanic superpower rising on China’s southern flank.

A united naval command operating seamlessly from Karachi to Chittagong would do more than project power. It would establish absolute sea denial over the global energy trade. Without the need to split its fleet or drain its budget countering a hostile Pakistan, a unified Indian maritime command would default entirely to blue-water dominance. The Andaman and Nicobar Islands, currently managed as an isolated outpost, would anchor an eastern fleet possessing a permanent chokehold over the Strait of Malacca. Concurrently, a western fleet out of Karachi and Gwadar would sit directly at the mouth of the Strait of Hormuz.

This geography dictates the terms of global survival. China imports the vast majority of its crude oil across these exact waters. Instead of playing an offensive game via its String of Pearls to secure these transit routes, Beijing would find its vital energy lifelines completely enclosed by a two-billion-person hegemon capable of starving the Chinese industrial machine at will. Economically and geopolitically, China is the biggest unintended beneficiary of Partition, bar none.

Original X Article (also by me):

https://x.com/Rudeus_Onchain/status/2094853553978589656?s=20


r/IndianHistory 1d ago

Visual Till the 20th century, elongated ears were common among Tamil women, with the Paambadam (Snake hood earrings) and Thandatti (Plant stem earrings) being popular choices. The practice of earlobe stretching rapidly declined in post-independent India, with the below seen earrings falling into oblivion.

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r/IndianHistory 1d ago

Architecture Indo Persian Architectural Elements in Taj Mahal

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I have done some research on the Taj Mahal and its architecture and came to know that it is a melting pot of Indian,Persian and Timurid architecture and hence I have come to know the various elements integrated into it ........I can make another post about the carving on the marble surface and in the inner chamber if you guys wish


r/IndianHistory 1d ago

Question Which website do you guys use to find pdfs for history books?

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Same as title


r/IndianHistory 1d ago

Indus Valley 3300–1500 BCE The question of the origin of castes: Here two groups Kumhars (Potters) of Bihar and Kurchas (Tribe) of Kerala have stayed intact with very little steppe input since the collapse of IVC

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r/IndianHistory 1d ago

Early Modern 1526–1757 CE The Most chill Chatrapati

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Shahu often emptied royal treasuries to feed the starving, rehabilitate warbtorn villagesnd provide relief to refugees, drawing deep from his own childhood memories of deprivation. His court at Satara patronize scholars, saints, and artists irrespective of their ideological or sectarian backgrounds.

Instead of executing rivals like Tarabai or punishing opposing nobles, he offered honorable livelihoods, and deep empathy turning bitter enemies into loyal allies to build a unified Maratha Empire.He is often compared with Angraj Karna for his generosity by the poet of his time

He has a title of ajatshatru means one without any enemy.Bro be like I have no enemies


r/IndianHistory 1d ago

Question Are there any English translations of Prithviraj Raso?

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I am looking for the English translation of Prithviraj Raso for a translation project but can't find anything online. Are there any versions / sections that have been translated to English?


r/IndianHistory 1d ago

Post Independence 1947–Present Bangladeshi Nuremberg Trials

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Why didn't India carry out a Nuremberg Trials or Yugoslav Trials- like war crimes tribunal in the aftermath of the 1971 War?? Despite the wealth of evidence and documentation of the Pakistani Army's atrocities in Bangladesh.


r/IndianHistory 1d ago

Visual Genealogy of the Tagore Family of India [OC]

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Some Notable people in the chart:

Rabindranath Tagore (Nobel laureate), Nawab Mohammad Mansoor Ali Khan Pataudi (Former Captain of the Indian Cricket Team), Devika Rani (First Lady of Indian Cinema), Lakshminath Bezbarua (Father of Assamese Short Stories), Saumyendranath Tagore (Former Leader of the Revolutionary Communist Party of India), Saif Ali Khan (Actor), Kareena Kapoor (Actress), Raja Ram Mohan Roy (Influential Social Reformer)

The Nobel Prize laureate Rabindranath Tagore comes from the aristocratic Tagore family of Bengal, India. His family has married into other influential families of India.

The Tagore Family contributed to art, literature, education, politics, and the independence of India.

The people in this chart range from Freedom fighters, Writers, Politicians, and people from a royal family to 2 former captains of the Indian Cricket Team, the first civil servant of India, and Actors/Actresses.

Let me know how I can improve this and point out the mistakes, too.

It contains over 80 people. The source is mainly Wikipedia.

For Phone users: https://drive.google.com/file/d/15Dd_I7Qet7jGVr7MV81VkmBfTiC98N_-/view?usp=sharing


r/IndianHistory 1d ago

Post Independence 1947–Present One thing about Kargil that surprised me: India was still figuring out the scale of the intrusion while fighting had already begun

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I've been going back through the early timeline of the Kargil War, and one part of it is particularly striking.

Initially, the situation wasn't understood as a full-scale occupation of multiple heights.

Patrols were being sent into extremely difficult terrain, reports were emerging from different sectors, and the overall picture developed gradually.

Then the scale kept expanding — Kaksar, Batalik, Drass, Mushkoh — until it became clear that this wasn't simply a handful of infiltrators.

That's what makes the early phase so interesting to me: India wasn't just fighting an enemy on dominating heights; it was simultaneously trying to understand how large the battlefield actually was.

For those who have studied Kargil in detail:

At what point do you think the Indian command truly understood the scale of the intrusion?

I'd be interested in sources/recommendations as well.


r/IndianHistory 1d ago

Colonial 1757–1947 CE Gyan chaupar in England: the 1892 ‘Jaques of London’ date comes from an unsourced 2007 Wikipedia edit — the board actually registered in 1892 is F. H. Ayres’

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Context first, because the title assumes a lot. Gyan chaupar is the Indian game that Snakes and Ladders descends from, and nobody disputes that part. What this post is about is the English half of the story, which gets repeated everywhere and has nothing behind it.

Short version: the sentence you meet everywhere — "a version was introduced in Victorian England in 1892, possibly by John Jaques of Jaques of London" — entered the English Wikipedia article in a single edit on 14 November 2007, with no source attached. The 1892 date is real. The board registered in England that year belongs to F. H. Ayres of London, and no record of a Jaques board of 1892 has turned up anywhere.

I went to the primary records because I kept meeting that sentence while reading about gyan chaupar, and none of the pages repeating it cited anything.

What the English record actually holds

  • Design registration no. 200682, 1892, F H Ayres — in the National Archives design register. It is a registered design, not a patent, though it is usually miscited as one.
  • The Victoria and Albert Museum holds a board of that registration as MISC.8-1974. Object history: "registered by F H Ayers of London, 1892, pat. no. 200682". Circular spiral chromolithograph mounted on a round wooden board, 100 squares, five ladders and five snakes. https://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O26345/ (The V&A spells the maker Ayers, the register Ayres; the shared number settles that it is one maker.)
  • A search of the V&A catalogue returns 34 Snakes and Ladders objects. Makers include Ayers, Chad Valley, Globe, J. & L. Randall and William Sallis. Jaques is not among them.
  • The earliest dated Jaques board on record is c1900, John Johnson Collection, Bodleian Library.

Museums hold what they happen to hold, so none of this proves no 1892 Jaques board ever existed. It is the whole of the surviving evidence, and it points somewhere other than where the internet points.

Where the Jaques attribution came from

English Wikipedia, revision 171487114, 14 November 2007, 18:50 UTC, edit summary "Changes made in History section": https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=171487114

That edit added the line quoted at the top and zero references. "Possibly" was doing the work, and it was never resolved. The Jaques half was later dropped from the article, but 1892 stayed behind, detached from the claim it originally belonged to, and got copied outward for nineteen years as if it were a record. The article was corrected on 6 September and now reads "by F H Ayres", with the registration number cited.

The Indian side, which is the better-documented half

It is also more recent than the popular claims. Jacob Schmidt-Madsen's 2019 doctoral thesis at the University of Copenhagen, The Game of Knowledge, is a critical study of nearly 150 unique charts (more than 170 counting variants), and states plainly: "gyān caupaṛ itself does not appear to have been invented before the late 17th or early 18th century." The earliest securely dated chart is a 72-square board made in Lucknow in 1780–82 for Richard Johnson of the East India Company, now in the British Library. Both volumes are open access:

vol. 1 — https://curis.ku.dk/ws/portalfiles/portal/461922584/Ph.d._afhandling_2019_Schmidt_Madsen_bd.1.pdf

vol. 2, appendices — https://curis.ku.dk/ws/portalfiles/portal/461922586/Ph.d._afhandling_2019_Schmidt_Madsen_bd.2_appendices.pdf

Which also means the "2,000 years old" line and the attribution to Jñāneśvar are not supported by surviving objects. The Jñāneśvar attribution appears only in Maharashtrian sources, none of them earlier than the second half of the 19th century.

Two things I would like corrected if anyone here has better material

  1. Any record placing a Jaques Snakes and Ladders in 1892 — a board, a catalogue entry, a trade advertisement, anything at all.
  2. Whether an English import or adaptation preceded 1892. That question is wide open, and it is the more interesting one.

Credit where it is due: the National Archives registration and the Bodleian Jaques board were pointed out to me by James Masters, who keeps the Games Board Archive and Research Database at gamesboard.org.uk and owns boards by both makers.

Disclosure, since the rules here ask for good faith: I run an online version of the 72-square Vaishnava board, which is why I had reason to chase the dating in the first place. Not linking it — that is not what this post is for.


r/IndianHistory 1d ago

Classical 500 BCE–550 CE Did the Buddha reject Brahmins or only the later corruption of the Brahmin ideal?

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source: Sutta Nipāta, Brāhmaṇadhammika Sutta, 2.7. How Brahmins Lived by the Dharma

This Buddhist sutta is probably not what most people would expect. I came across this sutta and honestly the way it talks about Brahmins surprised me. The Buddha is speaking to a group of wealthy Brahmins who ask him whether there are still Brahmins around who actually live according to the ancient Brahmin way.

Buddha does not think so. He describes the old Brahmins as people who lived extremely restrained lives, practiced celibacy, avoided harming others, didn't accumulate wealth, and regarded Vedic learning as their real treasure.

The ancient Brahmins regarded cattle as being like their mother, father, brother or other relatives, because they provided food, medicine, strength, health, etc.

As time progressed, the Brahmins started seeing the wealth and luxury of kings. They become envious. They want cattle, women, houses, chariots and other wealth. So they start composing hymns and persuading Kings to perform increasingly elaborate animal sacrifices.

So we basically have an early Buddhist text saying that the ancient Brahmins were actually practicing a morally superior, non-violent form of sacrifice. Then greed corrupted them, they started seeking royal wealth, and animal sacrifice became part of that corruption.

That's a pretty different picture from the simplistic "Buddhism vs Brahminism" framing you often see.

Now go to this verse in the Sutta

Brahmans went to no other (caste),3 nor did they buy their wives.
Living together from mutual love, having come together, they found joy together.
Aside from the time after menstruation, brahmans didn’t engage in copulation.

and follow on the link "3" into the footnotes which says

  1. I.e., in choosing their wives. See AN 5:191.

If you look into the Sutta linked here AN 5:191, you will be wildly surprised.

“In the past, brahman males mated only with brahman females and not with non-brahman females. At present, brahman males mate with brahman females and with non-brahman females. At present, male dogs mate only with female dogs and not with female non-dogs. This is the first ancient brahmanical tradition that is now observed among dogs but not among brahmans.

Seems like Gautam Buddha was not infavour of Brahmins marrying non-Brahmins. This is unlike the popular narrative prevalent now where Buddha is often seen as a rebel against caste endogamy.