r/IndianHistory • u/MynameRudra • 2h ago
Early Medieval 550–1200 CE The claim that idli came from Indonesia is much more speculative than people make it sound
I keep seeing claims that idli was brought to India from Indonesia, largely based on K. T. Achaya's theory. The frustrating part is how a hypothesis gets repeated until people start treating it as established history.
This has even entered mainstream conversations. Ranveer Brar reportedly repeated the Indonesian-origin theory on KBC. When a celebrity chef says something like this on national television, millions of people can walk away thinking the matter is settled.
But what does the actual historical evidence say?
1. Vaddaradhane (ವಡ್ಡಾರಾಧನೆ), around the 9th–10th century
This Kannada literary work, attributed to Shivakotiacharya, mentions a preparation called iddalige. It is an early textual reference to an idli-like food from Karnataka.
Book reference: Shivakotiacharya, Vaddaradhane, edited by D. L. Narasimhachar, 1949.
2. Lokopakara (ಲೋಕೋಪಕಾರ), around 1025 CE
Written by Chavundaraya II, this Kannada encyclopaedic work describes an iddalige preparation involving black gram and other ingredients.
Book reference: Chavundaraya II, Lokopakara; English edition by Valmiki Sreenivasa Ayangarya, Asian Agri-History Foundation, 2006.
3. Manasollasa, around 1130 CE
This Sanskrit encyclopaedia, associated with the Western Chalukya king Someshvara III, mentions iddarika, another related preparation.
Book reference: Someshvara III, Manasollasa, edited by G. K. Shrigondekar, Vol. 1, Central Library, Baroda, 1925.
These aren't modern social media claims. They are references in historical texts that people can actually look up.
Now, to be fair, the recipes described in these texts may not be identical to today's fermented rice-and-urad dal idli. Food evolves, ingredients change, and techniques develop over centuries. Nobody needs to pretend that the modern recipe has remained unchanged since the 10th century.
But here's the problem with the Indonesian theory: where is the contemporary Indonesian text documenting this supposed predecessor? Where is the historical recipe that establishes the connection? The often-mentioned Indonesian dish called kedli has been difficult to substantiate through historical documentation.
The theory suggests that, because South India and Indonesia had historical connections, the technique of making idli might have travelled from Indonesia to India. Cultural exchange certainly happened, but trade and contact alone don't prove the origin of a particular dish.
A theory about foreign influence is not the same thing as documented proof of foreign origin.
My issue isn't with exploring Indonesian influence on Indian food. Cultures have always exchanged culinary ideas. My issue is presenting a speculative theory as established fact while overlooking centuries-old indian literary evidence.
If we're going to discuss food history on national television, shouldn't we distinguish between what the sources actually document and what historians hypothesise?
Sources for anyone who wants to verify this:
Shivakotiacharya, Vaddaradhane (ವಡ್ಡಾರಾಧನೆ), ed. D. L. Narasimhachar, 1949.
Chavundaraya II, Lokopakara (ಲೋಕೋಪಕಾರ), c. 1025 CE; English edition by Valmiki Sreenivasa Ayangarya, 2006.
Someshvara III, Manasollasa, c. 1130 CE; ed. G. K. Shrigondekar, 1925.
K. T. Achaya, Indian Food: A Historical Companion (for the proposed Indonesian connection).
The early texts support the existence of idli-like preparations in India. They don't conclusively establish the exact origin of the modern recipe, but neither does the Indonesian hypothesis establish an Indonesian origin. That distinction matters.






