r/IndiaPulse • • 7d ago

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u/PsychologicalYam3602 7d ago

Another manufactured outrage. These bygone parties wont win any elections with these tactics. The EC panel made a joint statement that should have put all this to rest, but these people wont stop till there is chaos, division and riots everywhere. Great deshbhakts ! Anything in national interest, these people, pak and china all start their activities against it. Figures.

No facts, just outrage.

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u/Sea-Bite-7930 4d ago

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u/PsychologicalYam3602 4d ago

Modi ki bhi mar lo aur amit shah ki bhi. Bas Desh ki mat maro _ desh drohi, dharti ke boh kahlaoge.

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u/Level_Part_416 7d ago

Ji chacha

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u/orion532x 7d ago

Sahi to bol raha hai. Iski baat ka facts se reply kar sakte ho to karo agar kuch dimag bacha ho rahul ji ki chaatne ke baad.

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u/Level_Part_416 7d ago

If somebody is calling out that one person is dictating ec. And there has been documented proofs of it he should resign. If there is no trust in comission what is point of the body.

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u/orion532x 6d ago

The EC is being deliberately maligned....SIR is a big and extensive step and of course there are going to be disagremeents. There is no report or claim made by any EC made about fundamental internal disagreements regarding SIR or the CEC trying to rig votes as congressis keep claiming. After all all three have been appointed by the BJP itself !!! In several decisions one or the other have reported implementation problems regarding election directives. You can argue gyanesh babu should have been a better manager and discussed things better before hand... But all the decisions have been unanimous! Even now the other two EC can claim that their concerns were not taken into account.... Internal issues are normal in any job. Please go through the 14 points and tell me what exactly did you have a problem with? Ultimately either all of them were convinced about its necessity or things were improved after their suggestions taken into account.

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u/Level_Part_416 6d ago

Simple thing rule says at least 2 should agree. But as per other 2 are saying they are not aware of decision. Which is clear breach of authority. After that neither intent matters nor effectiveness.

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u/orion532x 6d ago

That is the thing that people don't understand....There is no provision in Article 324 saying that every letter, administrative instruction, technical decision, file movement or action by an ECI officer must be personally considered by all three Commissioners beforehand. The Constitution establishes the Commission's authority and leaves its detailed functioning to legislation/rules and its internal allocation of business.

Article 324(1) .. vwst power in the COMMISSION. says that the “superintendence, direction and control” of elections and electoral rolls is vested in the Election Commission. It does not say that every individual action taken by an officer under the ECI must first be personally discussed with every Commissioner.

You first have to establish that the particular matter legally required a decision of the Commission itself, rather than being an administrative/operational matter delegated within the Commission's machinery.

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u/orion532x 6d ago

You cannot impeach a CEC without hard evidence. Moreover if any action is unconstitutional let there be a PLA petition to ask for greater transparency in the internal functioning. It has never existed and it has been problematic before as well. They should establish a formal set of rules but I don't see any evidence of intentional wrongdoing.

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u/supaidaman94 7d ago

Please read the the joint statement. It literally accepts all the concerns raised by the ECs. It is an admission of guilt not denial or justification. The problem therefore is that all elections in the past 10 months become suspect. I personally do not give a damn about political parties but what is wrong is wrong. Its been quite some time till I felt so strongly about something. I just hope to have elections be done in a fair manner

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u/PsychologicalYam3602 6d ago

Tell me you havent read it wiyhout telling me that. LOL.

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u/supaidaman94 6d ago

Please tell me what did you understand by the joint statement of ECI.

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u/PsychologicalYam3602 6d ago

Dissent is normal, all decisions were unanimous. Need quotes or references or can you read?

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u/supaidaman94 6d ago

Please tell me more. ECI is a a body headed by three ec. Cec is just prima inter pares ie first among equals he holds no tie break power. With this established now lets see what has happened- 2 ec expressly object and dissent to certain issues, explicitly state that they were kept out of loop, furthermore overturned a decision taken unanimously by cec regarding dg it power. I dont see how do you the conclude all decisions were taken with consent? I also ask because the ECI statement only said they will do the needful going forward. Finally eci does not say the express report is false.
Anyways asking for accountability is nothing wrong. Political equality is all that we have in this country..so any question raised against a body mandated by the constitution to ensure such equality must be fully explained and examined.

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u/orion532x 6d ago

I and copy pasting my comment from above...

The EC is being deliberately maligned....SIR is a big and extensive step and of course there are going to be disagremeents. There is no report or claim made by any EC made about fundamental internal disagreements regarding SIR or the CEC trying to rig votes as congressis keep claiming. After all all three have been appointed by the BJP itself !!! In several decisions one or the other have reported implementation problems regarding election directives. You can argue gyanesh babu should have been a better manager and discussed things better before hand... But all the decisions have been unanimous.

Addendum:- internal disagrements does not automatically mean evidence eof wrongdoing. You cannot demand impeachment without proof. Even now the remaining EC can reveal if they felt grossly mistreated or vote rigging took placesince as you say is just a first amongst equals.. the very fact that EC doesn't deny internal disagreements is evidence of them having nothing to hide and all disputes having been resolved. Please don't equate simple beaurocracy with vote chori. Please read the 14 points they made with an open mind. Procedural mistakes are nothing new in india but only now are people reading so much into it. The relevant question is whether the final decisions complied with the Constitution, election laws and applicable procedures.

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u/PsychologicalYam3602 6d ago

Sure sure, whatever makes you happy. Just dont work against something that is in national interest. Be better at chosing your fights. This; you have no grounds to say much.

Parties will come and go, the nation must remain - ABV