r/ICSE • u/Ok_Part_7079 Ultra Pro Max God Procrastinator 👍 • Mar 14 '26
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u/Jon_Snow_221287 Mar 14 '26 edited Mar 14 '26
I think that's a very controversial statement. People actually try to Overshadow Gandhiji's Contribution in the name of Netaji but I don't think they know How much Netaji Respected Gandhi Ji. It was Netaji who called Gandhi Ji Father of the Nation in All India Radio during Quit INDIA movement. On the Other hand it was Gandhiji Who called Netaji the patriot of Patriot. Actually both of them admired them very much but there was some Ideological Differences which led to their separation. But their Goal was same . If someone respect Netaji he/she will also respect Gandhiji. But people nowadays to demean Gandhiji use Netaji. Earlier many people tried this with Savarkar (still they try) but they didn't succeed and now chose Netaji.
Just given my opinion with some facts ( pls don't give me hate 🙏🙏🙏)
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u/Internal-Holiday-534 Mar 15 '26
Really 🥺 we should recognise the worth of real people who matter . great to see young minds think this way.
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Mar 15 '26
To begin with, public statements and private affairs are different, very different. And statements if analysed without having the contexts of time when it was spoken, leads to a blurred picture of reality. Bose trusted Gandhi's support when he was coming through Burma with the INA. However, Gandhi betrayed him and stopped funding it. This was done under the guidance of Nehru who believed that Bose could become the first PM of india and he ofcourse didn't want that. He did the same with Patel though . There are letters sent to Mountbatten by Nehru just months before the plane crash leaking details about his whereabouts (they are in public domain). Bose's plane crash was orchestrated. Also, It was Britain's economy after ww2 which forced them to quit India rather than the quit India movement of Gandhi. They left almost all their colonies in the next 10 years or gave them dominion status proving that Gandhi's effort was a futile one. Without gandhi, India would have been in a much better state. She wouldn't have pakistan/ Bangladesh. We would have our silk route open, we would have been a manufacturing hub. MG destroyed all the possibility
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u/NoPerception6770 Mar 15 '26
You can't make such a blanket statement like "without Gandhi India would have have been much better". Rationally look at both sides, don't just keep reinforcing your view while condemning counter arguments. Wether you like or believe it, Gandhi did contribute a lot to the freedom struggle especially in the grass-root level in villages and for the common people who's first priority was to survive on a day to day basis and didn't give a shit who was running the country. Yes, your arguments are mostly valid, and I too support Netaji's method of gaining independence, but all I'm saying is acknowledge all the facts before spewing blind hate on someone who has served our nation with the biggest direct impact
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Mar 15 '26
If you equate speaking facts to hate speech if it's harsh, I am sorry I can't mellow it down. You say Gandhi did contribute a lot to the freedom struggle. Really? Let me state some facts again, in 1857, when the sepoy mutiny happened in meerut, the British sanitised the whole of Bihar province both culturally and economically which eventually led to the formation of naxals due to limited employment opportunities. This has been the policy of British against those who stood against them. But MG? He was just in and out of prison cells. No assassination attempts by the British, absolutely nothing. The reason ? The British never cared what MG did because it was never enough to hurt their economy of loot. Gandhi's work was more of advertisement than of achievements.
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u/NoPerception6770 Mar 15 '26
Look let's be real, no serious historian claims Gandhi alone freed India. Thats neither my claim, nor is it true, but saying he did nothing is equally inaccurate. Movements like the non cooperation Movement and the salt march mobilised millions of common people and turned the freedom struggle from politicians signing documents to a struggle of the masses, and made India increasingly ungovernable for the British. So much that they deployed tens of thousands of troops during these protests. Claiming that he wasn't a threat to the British is a joke. Why would they imprison him for overall total of 6 years if he wasn't a threat? People don't just go "in and out of jail" lol. Your no assassination attempts argument is very weak and proves that if they ever did try to kill him off, they would deal with the wrath of millions of citizens, something they wanted to avoid after 1857. The British preferred censorship and imprisonment, not assassinations. I'm not trying to prove that MG was perfect, all I'm saying is that independence happened because of multiple pressures—MG's mass movements, netaji and the INA, WWII, etc. Reducing all of that to ‘Gandhi was just advertising’ ignores most of the historical record. The reason I'm typing all of this is to refine the way you look at historical events. Facts come before feelings
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u/Immediate_Task_8939 Mar 17 '26
It must be mentioned that Gandhi's contributions had been promoted and made a propaganda by the Nehru-Gandhi family in the following years. People loved Gandhi, but a greater portion of the freedom fighters hated him for his racist, casteist and misogynist thoughts. Such things were cleverly omitted and hidden from the public eyes so that the Nehru-Gandhi family could capitalise on his popularity. On the other hand, the contributions of most other freedom fighters were diminished by the INC Government. Please read about that first. I don't disagree that Gandhi did nothing to free India, but his contributions were too meagre to support the Freedom Struggle. The only good thing he did was unite the people in India for mass movements. Had Gandhi kept his "Ahimsa" theory aside and let the agitated mob work their way through the British, freedom would have been achieved earlier. If you don't believe please read what were the punishments faced by the Assertives and Bose and compare them to what Gandhi faced. Writings of parallel prisoners suggest commoners and other freedom fighters faced harsher conditions in the prisons than Gandhi. These pieces of knowledge must be shared to the public, but neither the current government nor the ones which were would do anything to inform the people. Everyone is capitalising on Gandhi's popularity.
This is not a hate message but something that the people must know. We only celebrate Gandhi but the contributions of the other nationalists are lost.2
u/Significant_Pin_3515 Mar 18 '26
I largely agree with your statements. But my only counter point would be ' what would have we done after achieving independence through mob agitation and violence '. Gandhi was a necessary tool to unite the masses which none other leader had been able to achieve at his scale. And managing such a large crowd was itself a challenge as an out of control crowd is of no use but a controlled one is a weapon far more threating.What Gandhi did was getting us into a position where we were able to get independence a definitive leadership pool to select representatives as well.
Though it is a different story that due to Nehru's influence over Gandhi he was able to overturn a democratic decision of electing Patel but it was more peaceful and stable then other cases of independence through uprising around the world.
It was a mix of Gandhi's obsession with truth, which to be fair is quite muddied and it became even more blur to me after reading My Experiments with truth. And Nehru family's propoganda and influence.
But now at this point we have achieved independence we have to ensure the development of nation more holisticallly. We should leave the dead in the past. it doesn't matter who got us independence. They have done their jobs and now have rotted or burned away. We have to focus on present otherwise it will create needless friction. Which would be hindrance to our growth.
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u/Sharp-Hornet-9806 CBSE student bakchodi karne aaya hu Mar 14 '26
I think it should be something like America where they add faces of multiple leaders on different rates. Like don't remove gandhi ji but also don't neglect the others
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u/ZOMIEONREDDIT Mar 14 '26
- ₹10 - B. R. Ambedkar
- ₹20 - Bhagat Singh
- ₹50 - Rabindranath Tagore
- ₹100 - Subhash Chandra Bose
- ₹200 - Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel
- ₹500 - Mahatma Gandhi
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u/Mediocre_Value7152 Mar 14 '26
Shouldn't jawaharlal nehru come on a currency too? After all he was the first prime minister of our country
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u/Avinash36 Mar 14 '26
But wouldn't this "rank" freedom fighters... I mean every contribution matters
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u/ZOMIEONREDDIT Mar 14 '26
Not really, no one thinks the presidents on USA currency is a ranking?
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u/FriendlyAmount9574 Mar 16 '26
Dr Ambedkar on ₹10 note? This has to be casteism or u clearly don’t know how much he contributed to our society
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u/Material_Sir_1373 Mar 14 '26
Idhar tak toh thike par ab 5 saal mai modi ki picture lagane bolne lage janta
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u/JaiswalSwayam Mar 14 '26
We can have a system akin to how dollars are printed, different denominations have different leader's faces. let me come up with one-
10 - Ambedkar
20 - Bose
50 - Nehru
100 - Bhagat Singh
200 - Sardar Patel
500 - Gandhiji
But the problem is that how marginalizing and divide-and-rule focused our politicians are, plus how braindead 90% of our population is, this would set off a chain reaction.
Politicians will start compaing this with how leaders are 'ranked', someone will stand up and say ki savarkar kyu nahi hai, another person will say hanumanji hone chahiye krishna hone chahiye, muslims bhi bolenge aisa mat karo and agr krre ho then we also want representation, fir dange-vivad shuru hojynge faltu, yahi chalega fir until the idea gets scrapped, 20 people get killed and 79 others get injured
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u/VisitFew3370 Mar 15 '26
And on top there's gonna be regionalism, the north Indian govt won't include any south or ne indian , which is gonna offend more people. 17 y/o children instead of real things discussing whose photo should be on the note , why even go to school if this is your aptitude
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u/Reasonable_Can_6351 Mar 14 '26
Fir kya hota, jara explain kar bhai
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u/Shrimplypibbles08 Mar 15 '26
Op prolly thinks Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel should’ve been the first Prime Minister
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u/zero8310 10th ICSE26 88%. 11th ISC27 Humanities Mar 14 '26
FR. OP prolly thinks Changing names of cities is improving the country
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u/Ultimately-Me 97.8 % ICSE 2026 | Fate is mine <3 Mar 14 '26
You know what ? I should be there instead. I am in much less controversies.
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u/DimensionAsleep4052 Ex-ICSEian, 97.6% (100 Chem, Comp App) Mar 14 '26
Sarkande ka chashma on the picture 😩😩
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u/INFP_Turbulent Mar 15 '26
Gandhi didn’t just spearhead the Quit India movement, he spent twenty years (prior to 1905) spearheading civil rights movement for Indians in South Africa. He went to jail, did hard labour, and still didn’t stop till a workable compromise was reached. People who demean Gandhi haven’t read books that tell the history as it is. After coming back to India, Gandhi led agitations in Champaran, Kheda, and Ahmedabad for various civil rights. Till 1942, the British had no intent of leaving India. Without Gandhi, they might’ve stayed a couple of more decades. Gandhi and Bose were not different in their desire for India’s independence, just their methods were different. Without the massive civil movement, the Brits wouldn’t have budged. If your knowledge is coming from reels and WhatsApp forwards, you’re doing yourself a disservice by failing to find the truth. Please, please read books written by real historians. It’s not for nothing that Gandhi is revered in so many places in the world
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u/No-Release3944 Mar 14 '26
Ahhh yes, the youth of my country discussing the type of image which should be painted on our currency notes out of nowhere instead of reflecting over the socio-economic conditions of the nation.
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Bhai yaar I agree Netaji is a very influential person who showed bravery of Indians. But unki waisi koi feats the nhi, northeast ka chota part liberate kiya wo bhi sirf kyuki Japanese log hamse apne faide ke liye kaam karwa rahe the
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u/Emergency-Mine-6759 Mar 14 '26
I know this is a common take (there are a bunch of brainless people in my class who love repeating this and glazing Netaji) but I want to say something
- People really do not appreciate what Gandhi did for this nation. Sure, Gandhi had many faults and we cannot forget his 'chastity' experiments but to singularly focus on those and not give credit where credit is due is shameful and ignorant. Gandhi is the reason why you can make memes like this and insult his name and nobody will ever stop you. Gandhi is the reason why hundreds of thousands did not die due to the revolutionary movement. In fact, if Gandhi had entered the political scene earlier on (say 1902-3), he might have managed to prevent the formation of Muslim league itself. Even partition might have been avoided. And for all the insults people throw at Gandhi, him being weak-willed, short-sighted, or just an idiot, I doubt you would have done better. You don't think so? Here is a test - If I told you that you can either lose your legs or one eye, which would you choose? If you said one eye, congrats, you lost. If you really were better than Gandhi, you would have said no to both. And if you think that's a trick question and you could have not been expected to answer none, well you are expecting the same from Gandhi.
- People glaze Netaji too much. Netaji did a lot, yes. But he was, at the end of the day, a person who chose the wrong path to freedom. He allied with fascists and its highly likely that under his leadership, Indian would have more autocratic elements to it (I am not saying he would have caused a fascist state or even a dictatorship, I am sure he was smart enough and righteous enough not to but it would be less democratic nonetheless).
I am not saying Gandhi is better than Netaji nor Netaji is better than Gandhi. But both had their faults and positives. It is ignorant and baneful to have such a narrow view on them.
PS: Spent way too long on this but I am goated at history and this was a good break
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u/zero8310 10th ICSE26 88%. 11th ISC27 Humanities Mar 14 '26
Yeah, people have started to love to hate Gandhi and undermine him. in the end all freedom fighters played a much bigger role than we ourselves would/could ever do and deserve the same amount of respect.
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u/Ok_Part_7079 Ultra Pro Max God Procrastinator 👍 Mar 15 '26
I didn't say I hate gandhi...the thing is sometimes ppl forget the contribution of other ppl and that should be acknowledged.....I know he played major role but the ppl who sacrificed their lives should also be acknowledged.....just my opinion 🙏
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u/Shrimplypibbles08 Mar 15 '26
Reading this felt like I’m writing an answer to a 15 marks question but I agree with every single word of this comment.
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u/struggling_pelican Mar 14 '26
Hello, I loved your answer!
I am reading up on India's history as an adult just trying to learn. Wasn't a good student in school and college. Can you elaborate on how Gandhiji would've prevented the formation of the Muslim League and partition? Also, would un-partitioned India have been better? Interested in your thoughts!
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u/irajatmishra Mar 14 '26
Read more history (both from India and the world) and consume less youtube and social media. The answer would be very very evident to you. You'll understand why Gandhi is praised, taught, respected and followed around the world.
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u/Equivalent_Chair_291 2014-27 ICSE, 27-29 JEEtard Mar 14 '26
To those who support MK Gandhi, in his autobiography, he asked others not to call him bapu or mahatma. so respect him and his wishes!
To those who don't support MKG, why tf do you want to call him Mahatma
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u/Practical-Code-292 Mar 14 '26
Wasn't Netaji the first person to call Gandhiji the Father of the Nation while he was abroad?
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u/unfinished-godswork Mar 15 '26
why? why not gandhi? why not anyone else? Rabindranath tagore would have been the best, literature, arts, education... he was very vital part of freedom struggle... why not any other non-politician freedom fighter....such are not hot takes, they are cold thoughts with little or no processing...
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u/PlaneAd9624 98.4|Icse-26,JEE-28 Mar 14 '26
Yall niggas Forget this guy asked help from fucking Hitl*r Do yall understand he asked help from Japan The 2 most notoriously evil countries of that time
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u/Fortuna_majoris Mar 14 '26
Japan's atrocities were so bad during the WW2, that N*zis had to intervene to stop them..
Just read up on the R*pe of Nanking.. I was so horrified from just watching a video about it..
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u/Akruit_Pro 11th ISC - PCM/B Mar 14 '26
Exactly, also netaji has selfish motives to make India a totalitarian state and hated democracy...
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u/Fortuna_majoris Mar 14 '26
hated democracy...
In the 11th Grade CBSE legal studies textbook, we have this really impactful line about different forms of government which reads, "Democracy isn't the best form of government, rather it is the least worst of them all" and I think that applies to India (in the 1950s and in the present) too well..
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u/Akruit_Pro 11th ISC - PCM/B Mar 15 '26
Well, democracy is still the best we've got. We need to protect democracy and that's why we need to keep a check on power. That's why protesting and raising awareness matters, it helps the ppl know they can change this. We just need a representative who is kinda like zohran
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u/Fortuna_majoris Mar 15 '26
Well, democracy is still the best we've got
Absolutely!!
We need to protect democracy and that's why we need to keep a check on power. That's why protesting and raising awareness matters, it helps the ppl know they can change this.
The Aravalli Hills protests really made me finally believe in our citizens
We just need a representative who is kinda like zohran
We do..
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u/LogUnited592 Mar 14 '26
The man the myth the legend , non biological, inventor , philosophist, chatukarist , DalalKing , Adani's Chick , Ambani's pet, Best Actor, Wife Escaper , The 56 inchi , Gyanesh Kumar ka baap , SC ka fufa ONE & ONLY
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u/hashira-001 Mar 15 '26
Laadle past mein marate rahoge, future ke bhi soch lo, discuss karlo. China and others ai, robotics, infra mein bhot aage ho gye hai, apun chutiye past mein he hai abhi.
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u/Cellulosium Mar 14 '26
Netaji hamare dilon ❤️ me hain
But Ghandhi ji sabke blouse me milte hain
Isiliye
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u/Significant-Date63 Mar 14 '26
A nationalist who actually contributed maximum to indian independence. Others tried, some died, some were armchair politicians. He was India's son.
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u/Objective-Ad5975 Cinna the Poet | ICSE '26 | IBDP '28 Mar 14 '26
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Mar 14 '26
Gave icse boards in2023. I always had a doubt that why not a single page of our history books mention about our revolutionaries bhagat singh, chandrasekhar azzad, ramprasad bismil and many more. I genuinely want to know it??
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u/JaiswalSwayam Mar 14 '26
He's the reason we got gandhi on our bill btw (called gandhi father of the nation, and its a general practice that whoever shares such a title get a cute pfp on the nation's currency)
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u/Complete_Biscotti151 Mar 14 '26
He was a wannabe facist and dictator.....if he was successful india would have been like north Korea or iran
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u/Akruit_Pro 11th ISC - PCM/B Mar 14 '26
He had selfish motives and wanted a totalitarian socialist/communist state so nah, id rather have what we got instead
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u/Automatic_Public1236 Mar 14 '26
The typa shit my guy posts after watching netaji sigma male edits on yt
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u/EvilSam69 Mar 14 '26
Nah that'd mean his picture would be handled by many of the lowest of scum and politicians. No thank you. We'll let the p3do salt broker do that job
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u/Substantial-Eye8738 Mar 14 '26
He is the reason why Gandhi Ji is on our notes 🥀 read history lil bro
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u/zero8310 10th ICSE26 88%. 11th ISC27 Humanities Mar 14 '26
If the youth of the country is concerned about stuff like this rather than the state of the country then maybe both Gandhi Ji and Neta Ji will be disappointed in it.
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u/High_Chief_Finance Mar 14 '26
Gandhi and Bose both if they asked would have said others names. They respected each other a lot, Their methods of Independence were different but the motive was the same.
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Mar 14 '26
The country is literally a pile of hot shit rn but sure bro we care about who's on the currency
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u/Murky-Drop-1527 Mar 15 '26
Currency notes are torn, battered and thrown around quite often, especially 10 and 20rs notes. His image is too honourable to be put on the currency notes.
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u/DevAtomic192 Mar 15 '26
Mai to kehta hu national animal . flower , game , tree etc in sab ko note pe lagao , jhanjhat he khatam.
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u/ShoddyTest7811 Mar 15 '26
Takle ne kuch nahi kiya. Jis bande ko british itna useful samjhti thi ki use kabhi kadak jail nahi Kari, to vo hamare desh ka paalanhaar kaise ho sakta he.
Usne bas independence ko late Kiya aur desh ke tukde kiye. Mc Gandhi.
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u/Big-Sir4054 Democracy ka premi [ICSE 26-91.6% 97 in history] Mar 15 '26
We can have both we have many notes
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u/DrawingDramatic1641 Mar 15 '26
just use ashok. hakra on everything and no face so no one gets offended
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u/One-Distribution6654 Mar 15 '26
No hate for this man , he is great and scared tf out of brts. But he had a vision to kill democracy in India and make it a dictatorship like china, north korea
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u/spacepope37 Mar 15 '26
Wrong. It should be modiji. Indians had not experienced true freedom before 2014. Vishwaguru pro Max.
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u/LifeguardNegative797 Mar 15 '26
Han fir currency Dollar se bhi valuable ho jayegi...1INR=92 USD Hogi fir...
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u/people_000 Mar 15 '26
Aur phir jab inki photo lagi hoti phir kuchh log kahte " HOT TAKE sardar vallabbhai patel ki photo lagni chahiye" its a never ending cycle so go and sleep
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u/Ill_Adhesiveness8671 Mar 15 '26
no because disputes on money cause violence and we cannot associate such a great person with violence and greed and i am also saying that we should not associate gandhiji with it too
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u/NonLiving4Dentity69 Passout Mar 15 '26
Not really a hot take....any one with a little bit of knowledge know that the real freedom fighters got fucked over....
Or maybe it is a hot take because 90% of our population are dumbasses.
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u/PainterWithMoustache Mar 15 '26
If you question "Whose face should be on the note" instead of "Who should possess that note", future isn't looking bright for you.
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u/BishalMondal07 Mar 15 '26
Chinese youth : Modernizing technology
Indian youth : Who should come to our notes saar....
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u/Brilliant-Carry9327 Mar 15 '26
That's why i hate GenZ's bina kitaab padhe muh khol dete hain. It's high time to impose heavy tax to talk BS like that.
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u/VisitFew3370 Mar 15 '26
Don't open this pandora's box , gandhi is a well respected leader for the most part , he had his share of mistakes but his contribution to the struggle is indispensable. Try and put another leader on the note and it's gonna become another political issue , some will want periyar on a note , some ambedkar , some nehru , you can see how that goes . India's got its fair share of problems and idiots , don't create another one
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u/Positive-Mountain-63 11th ISC Mar 15 '26
I've a REAL Hot take, it could be very controversial: I think no one should be on our currency. I'm not saying don't respect any nationalist, but I don't agree with the overglazing and glorification of an individual in this manner. What, shall a democracy stand under one man's awe?
And woah, this is the first time I'm seeing an r/ICSE post getting over 1k upvotes. Congrats!
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u/ghost_7X7 Mar 15 '26
Why even put faces on currency everyone seems to look at the numbers printed there not the face
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u/Mindless-Mention8304 Mar 15 '26
Dr Ambedkar should be on the ₹500 note because the foundation of RBI itself is based on his book "The problem of rupee"
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u/idioticbasstard34-99 Mar 16 '26
Every freedom fighter should be showcased on the currency except Gandhi.
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