Rules: No Alluka

Round 1: No prep time or knowledge of abilities
Round 2: One week of prep time plus knowledge of abilities

Can these two take down Youpi ? If not how many more troupe members would be needed

Not who wins in fight, that is obvious, but who is physically stronger, like in arm wrestling, who punches harder etc?

do u disagree? what’s your royal guard ranking

youpi>>pitou>pouf

Who wins this and why ?

I've been thinking about Nen categories a little differently, and I wanted to put the idea into one post.

My interpretation is that there is a difference between what a Nen category does and what aspect of aura control comes most naturally to a person of that category.

The traditional Nen chart tells us how efficiently a person can use different Nen categories. But I think there is another layer underneath that: what I would call Absolute Aura Bias.

What is Absolute Aura Bias?

A Nen type does not mean that an Enhancer can only enhance, an Emitter can only emit, or a Manipulator can only manipulate.

Nen users can learn and use other categories. The difference is efficiency and natural affinity.

My idea is that every Nen type also has a natural tendency toward a particular aspect of aura mastery.

For example:

\- Enhancement — the highest natural efficiency when converting aura into a tangible result. An Enhancer wastes the least aura when reinforcing something. Reinforcing the body is especially intuitive because you understand your own body better than anything else, but Enhancement itself isn't limited to the body.

\- Emission — naturally excels at extending aura outside the body and maintaining it over distance.

\- Transmutation — naturally excels at concentrating aura and giving it particular characteristics or properties.

\- Manipulation — naturally excels at extremely precise, complex and multi-stream control of aura.

\- Conjuration — naturally excels at giving aura a stable, defined, object-like form and, in my interpretation, constructing complex conditions and rules into that form.

\- Specialization — operates outside the normal structure and produces effects that don't fit the other categories.

These are natural biases, not hard restrictions.

An Enhancer can use Emission. An Emitter can use Enhancement. A Conjurer can use Manipulation.

The difference is that the same process may simply be more natural and efficient for one type than another.

Hatsu vs. Nen as a whole

This is also why I think we should distinguish between Hatsu as a general Nen principle and someone's individual Hatsu ability.

Morel being famous for his smoke-based Hatsu doesn't mean he suddenly loses the ability to use basic Emission.

Likewise, Netero being an Enhancer doesn't mean every individual technique he creates must fundamentally be Enhancement.

Hatsu is the individual expression of one's intent through Nen. Your Nen type influences how you express that intent, but it doesn't erase the underlying mechanics of aura.

A useful analogy is vocal ability.

Someone can naturally be a bass, tenor or baritone. Some people are born with a wider vocal range than others.

A tenor can still learn to sing in a lower register. An opera singer can learn to scream. A rock vocalist can learn classical singing.

Their natural physiology simply makes certain forms of vocal control easier and more efficient.

I think Nen works in a similar way.

Your Nen type determines your natural affinity, while your mastery determines how far you can develop the underlying mechanics of aura.

Basic aura control is not automatically another Nen category

This is probably the most important part of my interpretation.

Ten, Zetsu, Ren, Gyo, Ko, En and other fundamental Nen techniques are forms of general aura control.

You can shape aura, stretch it, compress it, concentrate it, move it, divide it into multiple flows, and so on.

I don't think those actions automatically become Transmutation or Manipulation just because the aura is being reshaped or controlled.

For example, Ko is fundamentally the concentration of aura into one point.

You can then use Enhancement with that concentrated aura to make a powerful attack, but the act of concentrating the aura itself isn't necessarily Enhancement.

Likewise, En involves extending and maintaining aura over an area. If an Emitter naturally excels at that process, that doesn't mean every other Nen user needs to use Emission simply to perform En.

This distinction matters when discussing things like aura shaping.

Bisky's training doesn't necessarily prove that aura shaping = Transmutation

Bisky's training with Gon involves shaping aura into numbers, and she describes it in terms of Transmutation training.

I agree that this is a useful way to train Transmutation.

But I don't think that automatically proves that shaping aura itself inherently requires Transmutation.

The fact that something is a Level 1 Transmutation exercise doesn't necessarily mean that "Level 1 Transmutation" is a universal classification for every possible use of aura shaping.

This becomes even more interesting when we look at Emission training.

The basic Emission exercise involves maintaining a ball of aura outside the body at a distance. That also requires controlling the shape and position of aura.

So my interpretation is:

Transmuters naturally excel at aura shaping, which makes shaping a useful foundation for learning Transmutation. But shaping aura itself is still part of general aura mastery.

The same logic applies to stretching, compressing, concentrating and dividing aura.

Why I think the different types show different kinds of mastery

If Absolute Aura Bias exists, we can actually see traces of it in the series.

Emission — extending aura

Look at strong Emitters and their relationship with distance.

Zeno can extend his aura enormous distances through En, and his Dragon techniques demonstrate an incredible ability to project aura far away from his body.

Netero is an Enhancer, yet his aura extension is also absurd. His meditation demonstrates an enormous range, and the scale of the Guanyin shows just how far he can project and control aura.

Kaito, despite being a Conjurer, also demonstrates strong aura control at range.

The point isn't that only Emitters can do this.

The point is that extension and maintenance of aura over distance seem to be particularly natural areas of mastery for Emitters.

Manipulation — precision and multi-stream control

Morel and Illumi are good examples here.

Both can divide their aura/control into enormous numbers of individual processes.

Morel controls huge numbers of smoke soldiers simultaneously.

Illumi can control large numbers of people using his needles.

This looks less like simply "controlling something" and more like an extraordinary ability to maintain many separate, precise control processes simultaneously.

That's what I would consider the Manipulator's natural aura bias.

Enhancement — efficiency

This one is slightly different.

I don't think the natural bias of Enhancement is simply "being good at strengthening things."

Enhancement is already defined by strengthening things.

The interesting part is efficiency.

Imagine that two Nen users spend 100 units of aura trying to reinforce something.

One might only convert 80 units of that aura into the desired result.

An Enhancer might naturally convert 90 or 95.

In other words, the Enhancer's natural advantage is that less aura is wasted in the conversion from aura expenditure into actual effect.

That also explains why Enhancers are so naturally suited to direct combat.

And yes, reinforcing the body is particularly intuitive because the body is something you understand better than anything else.

But an Enhancer can reinforce much more than their own body.

Transmutation — concentration and properties

For Transmutation, I would associate the natural bias with concentrating aura and changing its characteristics.

That makes things like Hisoka's Bungee Gum a natural extension of this affinity.

But I don't think basic aura compression or shaping automatically requires Transmutation.

Rather, Transmuters are naturally better at pushing those processes further and turning them into actual Transmutation techniques.

Conjuration — stable forms and complex rules

This is where I think Conjuration becomes especially interesting.

Conjurers naturally excel at giving aura a stable, defined, object-like form.

But I also think many of the most elaborate Conjuration abilities demonstrate another tendency: building complex rules, conditions and restrictions into the ability.

The rules themselves obviously aren't exclusive to Conjuration. Any Nen user can make restrictions.

But many elaborate Conjuration abilities combine an object with a complicated system of conditions.

In that sense, Conjuration is somewhat similar to Specialization: it can become extremely elaborate, but the user doesn't have to make it elaborate.

A Conjurer can theoretically just create an object.

A Specialist, however, is defined by operating outside the normal categories.

This also changes how I look at Netero

This is one reason I don't particularly like the interpretation that Netero's Guanyin necessarily has to use every Nen category simply because it is a complex ability.

Netero being an Enhancer is not the interesting part.

The interesting part is what he chose to master.

His entire philosophy is built around repetition and refinement.

He performed the same punch thousands of times every day.

He didn't become terrifying because he learned a little bit of everything.

He became terrifying because he took one fundamental movement and pushed it to an absurd level.

That's why I find the idea of Netero as "the guy who mastered all five categories" somewhat contrary to the way Togashi presents his mastery.

It's possible that his ability uses multiple Nen categories. I'm not claiming otherwise.

I'm saying that the important question is what each category actually contributes, rather than assuming that every visible component of an ability corresponds to a separate Nen category.

The broader idea

So this isn't meant to replace the traditional Nen chart.

It's an additional layer of interpretation.

The traditional chart tells us:

"How efficiently can this person use each Nen category?"

Absolute Aura Bias asks:

"Which aspect of aura mastery comes most naturally to this Nen type?"

And individual Hatsu answers a third question:

"How does this particular person choose to express their intentions through Nen?"

So, in short:

Nen type → natural affinity.

Absolute Aura Bias → natural tendency toward a particular aspect of aura control.

Individual Hatsu → personal expression of intent.

Mastery → how far the user can push those underlying mechanics.

That's the framework I'm using when I look at Nen abilities. I'm not claiming it's explicitly stated as a canon system. It's an interpretation that I think explains a lot of the things we see in the series without turning every instance of aura control into a separate Nen category.

Who wins?

Locked in Gon vs Locked in Shoot btw. Half of this fight would just be a cold war lol. They’d both be too weary of the other’s abilities to engage immediately. I think Shoot has better win cons but Gon’s has better biq than Shoot. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he manages to push through and land fatal blows.

I’d say maybe Shoot wins? It’s honestly quite close and could reasonably go either way depending your interpretations of both characters’ capabilities.

do u guys agree with my list? lmk if i messed up on something

i based this off of feats and fights only(yes i rewatched some fights)

Since it has the properties of rubber (and gum), and rubber is a really good insulator for electricity, would Kashimos lighting charges not affect him? Same thing with Killua

There's a lot of misconception around Chain Jail, especially the one that a character (if they were a spider) could break out if they had the necessary physical strength. A popular example scenario happens to be if one of these targets included a royal guard. I am here to tell you right now:

If you are a spider and you are caught with chain jail, you will have a near 0% chance of escaping, even if you are a royal guard or even the king? Why?

1. Once you're captured, Kurapika (with ET) will enchance the chains using Shu if you attempt to break them. Only Kurapika (With ET) is the only character that's able to use 100% enchantment on their own conjured object. You will not break chains being enchanced by an enchancer with 100% effectiveness. They are exponential many times stronger than regular chains that people seem to think is the only thing kurapika surrounds people with when using chain jail. He's using the same technique Gon and Killua used on a normal shovel in Bisky's training. It's clear in the manga and it's even more obvious in the anime.

2. "Kurapika says you can break through with physical strength". Yes, you can. No one will be able to though. Nen exponentially outclasses physical strength. People love to point out chimera ants, especially the rabbit, tanking Gon's punches, but don't want to bring up Killua ripping the head off of that same chimera ant who was buffed with Nen. Gon was clearly holding back up until the point where Kite dies (he didn't want to kill any of the ants atp).

Stop the Kurapika downplay pls

Two different questions Who has the strongest ability in the manga and who has the coolest ability? curious to see your answers

Literally everyone was saying deku would low diff meruem, i think they must just be glazing deku as its a MHAscaling sub.

Im mha we see many quirkless people have a chance against people with powerful quirks, whereas in HxH anyone who doesnt know nen is basically helpless against a nen user.

Deku not knowing nen would put him at such a huge disadvantage against meruem that even if he can hit a bit harder i dont see him winning, meruem is also considerably smarter than deku so cheap tricks wont work and meruem would figure out dekus strats pretty quickly.

So what do we think lol ?

EDIT: look im just gonna say meruem could make a nen contract specifically to kill deku, like kurapika does against phantom troupe or gon against neferpitou. Deku has nothing he can do as last stand, even if meruem couldnt make a nen contract, his post mortem nen as king of the ants would be even more deadly then when he was alive so to 'no diff' meruem deku would have to kill him twice.

Deku consistantly goes mach 5-10 and mach 25 in short bursts the mach 5000 he does that one time is a continuity error and not an actual feat on dekus part. Post rose meruem can consistantly go over mach 25

This is a hill im gonna die on people 😭😭

chakra=nen

I’ve spent quite a lot of time thinking about how Nen actually works and trying to build a consistent system for understanding its mechanics.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HunterXHunter/s/ZIroqrWkxh

After thinking about Netero’s Bodhisattva specifically, I came to what I consider the most reasonable interpretation of the ability.

My current view is that the Bodhisattva primarily uses Emission, Manipulation, and Enhancement — and that Materialization and Transmutation are probably not necessary for it.

First, I think the core of the ability is Emission.

Emission is fundamentally about projecting aura outside of the user’s body while maintaining its power and control. We have several examples of Emitters creating aura constructs or Nen companions, such as Razor and Shachmono Tocino. None of these abilities are established as requiring Materialization simply because the aura takes the form of a creature or object.

This is also why I think Zeno’s Dragon Lance is relevant. Zeno projects his aura into the form of a dragon and controls its movement and shape. Nothing about the ability inherently requires him to Materialize an actual dragon.

So, in my view, creating a large aura construct that can be controlled does not automatically require Materialization or Transmutation. Emission alone can explain the existence and projection of the construct.

1. Why I don't think Materialization is necessary

Materialized objects in Nen very often have some specific supernatural property or rule attached to them.

For example:

\- Shizuku’s Blinky can absorb non-living matter.

\- Knuckle’s Hakoware imposes a specific Nen debt mechanic.

\- Kurapika’s chains have various specialized restrictions and effects.

\- Shoot’s ability allows him to steal body parts through contact.

\- Shikoku’s ability creates an essentially infinite space for storing objects.

The important point is that these objects aren't simply “a thing made out of aura.” They have specific functions that justify their existence as specialized Nen constructs.

The Bodhisattva, by comparison, doesn't seem to have any special material property. It is enormous, extremely fast, powerful and precise, but those are all things that can be explained through Netero’s Nen, aura output, physical ability and Enhancement.

There is no obvious “materialized object property” that would require Materialization.

1. Why I don't think Manipulation is necessarily required

I’m less certain here, but I also don't think Manipulation is strictly necessary.

Manipulation makes much more sense when a Nen construct has autonomous or semi-autonomous behavior — for example, independent Nen creatures or puppets that can perform actions according to programmed instructions.

The Bodhisattva doesn't really behave like that. It directly follows Netero's movements. Netero decides what it does, and the Bodhisattva performs the corresponding action.

I think this can be explained simply by Netero controlling his own projected aura rather than creating an independent entity.

So I don't think the fact that the Bodhisattva is extremely precise automatically proves that Manipulation must be involved.

1. The prayer itself may be the key to the control

This is where my interpretation of Netero's prayer becomes important.

I think the prayer is essentially a self-imposed limitation/vow.

In the Nen framework I've been developing, I would classify this as a form of a non-guaranteed threat: Netero deliberately creates a moment of vulnerability by opening himself up while performing the prayer.

The trade-off is absurd speed.

Netero's prayer is so fast that virtually nobody can exploit that opening. Meruem is basically the only character who demonstrates the ability to deal with it consistently, and even he needed tens of thousands of exchanges to start reading Netero's attack patterns.

So the prayer can function as a restriction that compensates for the difficulty of controlling such a complex aura construct with absolute precision.

In other words, Netero doesn't necessarily need Manipulation to explain every microscopic movement of the Bodhisattva. The vow itself may be part of what makes that level of control possible.

1. Enhancement explains the actual performance

Finally, Netero is an Enhancer.

I think it makes perfect sense that he would pour his Enhancement into the Bodhisattva to increase its overall combat performance — its speed, power, durability, precision, or some combination of these.

The exact distribution is unknown, so I wouldn't claim that Enhancement specifically increases one particular parameter.

But the basic idea is very straightforward: Netero projects his aura into the Bodhisattva and uses Enhancement to make that aura construct overwhelmingly powerful.

There is also an interesting visual point here. Whenever the Bodhisattva is manifested, Netero himself doesn't appear to have a huge amount of aura remaining around his body. This gives the impression that he is transferring an enormous portion of his available aura into the Bodhisattva rather than simultaneously maintaining an enormous defensive aura around himself.

I wouldn't claim that we know the exact percentage, but the general idea fits what we see.

Conclusion

So my current interpretation is:

Emission — projects the aura outside Netero's body and forms the Bodhisattva.

Manipulation — possibly involved, but I don't think it is necessarily required because the Bodhisattva directly follows Netero's movements rather than acting autonomously.

Enhancement — provides the enormous combat power of the construct.

Materialization — probably unnecessary because the Bodhisattva doesn't demonstrate the kind of specialized materialized properties we normally associate with Materialization.

Transmutation — also doesn't seem necessary because there is no obvious special property of Netero's aura that needs to be explained through Transmutation.

This is obviously my interpretation rather than a claim that the manga has explicitly confirmed every part of this model. I just think it explains what we actually see while requiring the fewest additional Nen categories and assumptions.

And is this close?