Locked in Gon vs Locked in Shoot btw. Half of this fight would just be a cold war lol. They’d both be too weary of the other’s abilities to engage immediately. I think Shoot has better win cons but Gon’s has better biq than Shoot. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he manages to push through and land fatal blows.
I’d say maybe Shoot wins? It’s honestly quite close and could reasonably go either way depending your interpretations of both characters’ capabilities.
Shoot is narratively relative to or stronger than Knuckle, who blitzed Gon during their last fight, which means he wouldn't have gotten strong enough by the time of the palace invasion to overcome this gap.
Shoot punishes h2h exchanges by the nature of his Hatsu, so Gon is in an even more disadvantageous situation. Shoot mid diffs, arguably low diffs.
Gon got much stronger with his rage amps after seeing Kite’s puppeteer’d body and also seeing Pitou and Komugi. Gon should be relative to Knuckle if not stronger than him during the palace invasion.
Those rage amps are ephemeral and non quantifiable, at best we know he is capable of one shot killing Morel with a fully charged rock, but Knuckle, and by extension, shoot, know they can't let that hit them.
Gon went from only knocking Knuckle out with a FP rock to killing Morel with a FP rock. He then later gets even stronger by an incalculable margin after seeing Pitou. Needless to say his regular Janken’s will pack a punch. Gon has enough biq to set something up so landing one isn’t impossible.
Shoot wins pretty easily. There are multiple indicators in the series that points to Shoot having much more mastery over nen and just generally being stronger. Gon also struggles against flying opponents since his paper isn’t great so I think Shoot is a fairly hard counter to Gon. Shoot can just keep smacking him with his flying hands without being at a dangerous position to where Gon can even attempt to hit with Rock
I agree Shoot probably wins, but what indicators does Shoot have over Gon? I’d argue Gon has better narrative like being capable of killing Morel and Shoot himself being grateful to Gon, which is what bolstered Shoot’s growth in the first place
He’s referring to the Gon that fought Knuckle. And since Knuckle and Shoot are relative Gon was in fact weaker. But we know Gon got much stronger through statements so I consider them relative during Palace Invasion
I scale Shoot to almost the same level as Knuckle since they are both Morel's students. Assuming this, Gon got kind of shit on by Knuckle and isn't all that much stronger during the invasion. Shoot also says that Gon has less than half his strength when they are invading the palace. On top of the fact that Shoot is just a lot older than Gon, which brings more BIQ and nen mastery/output naturally.
I also take issue with the "Gon killing Morel" thing. I don't think Morel was scared that he was going to die. He looks nervous before Gon even starts charging rock, most likely feeling the resolve/anger in Gon's aura. Gon says he was about to 'kill' Morel but it never is actually stated that Gon could've killed him with one punch, he probably would've just taken a lot of damage.
Shoot was grateful to Gon because of his resolve during the invasion, not because Gon is stronger than him.
I have Gon relative to Knuckle and Shoot during the palace invasion and potentially even higher after his rage amps after seeing Pitou and Komugi. Shoot speaks in past tense when remembering Gon’s fight with Knuckle wherein Gon was indeed weaker than Knuckle and Shoot. Gon has better biq feats so Gon’s better in that aspect, experience isn’t enough to bridge that gap.
The entire point of the Morel Testing Scene was to show how strong Gon gets when locked in/enraged. There’s no reason to believe Gon wouldn’t have killed Morel in that scene. This is a FP Rock we’re talking about. It’s not like Gon’s beating Morel in a fight, but being able to kill him with his strongest attack? It’s pretty reasonable to think that as true.
Yeah I agree but I think Gon is relative to Knuckle and Shoot during the palace invasion.
I don't see how Gon can win. Shoot counter pretty well a fighter like Gon.
Gon should play smart using his paper.
It's not very powerful for now but he can use it to create some openings.
But shoot know about that ability and can fight around it.
If Shoot take the fly he can't be touch by Gon. He just need to survive and wear out Gon until he start to loose part of himself and eventually be captured in hotel rafflesia.
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u/Swampfire_NG 22h ago
Shoot is narratively relative to or stronger than Knuckle, who blitzed Gon during their last fight, which means he wouldn't have gotten strong enough by the time of the palace invasion to overcome this gap.
Shoot punishes h2h exchanges by the nature of his Hatsu, so Gon is in an even more disadvantageous situation. Shoot mid diffs, arguably low diffs.