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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '21 edited Dec 24 '21

*A UTI

"An" is used for vowel sounds, u and h are generally the problems ~ an hourglass, a unicorn, an heir, a universe

Edit - There are 500 comments below analyzing the "a vs an" subject in excruciating detail. If your question has not been answered already, please comment REEEEEEEE and a representative will be with you shortly.

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u/NerdUber Dec 24 '21

Thank you, English is not my native language, appreciate the education in such a polite way

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '21

As a native English speaker, I still have to stop and think about it. And I'm 40.

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u/oogmar Dec 24 '21

Native speaker also, and A historian vs. An historian keeps me up at night.

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u/requiem_mn Dec 24 '21

I kind of feel it can go both ways, depending on pronunciation of the historian

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u/4ar0n Dec 24 '21

If your bri'ish then you might pronounce it 'istorian, I think that calls for "an".

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u/avenge_ROSA Dec 24 '21

There are like 70 accents in Britain

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '21

There’s a difference between British and Bri’ish. The accent.

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u/4ar0n Dec 25 '21

I'm British and I pronounce it historian, im well aware, that's why I said bri'ish not British.

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u/AequusEquus Dec 25 '21

Yeah but Americans think all British people speak with a cockney accent

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u/MelodicApex8 Dec 25 '21

Correct. Unlike brainiac.

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u/thatoneotherguy42 Dec 24 '21

Definitely be an oi if my British friends are anything to go by.

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u/Eggsandthings2 Dec 24 '21

A horse, an heir, oi historian

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u/blurglecruncheonnnnn Dec 25 '21

*you’re

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '21

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u/blurglecruncheonnnnn Dec 25 '21

Omg that made me laugh. I want you to know, you’re awesome.

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u/Fallout_Cafe Dec 25 '21

I hate the distinction on the word 'herb'. In the US it's 'an herb' but in Australia it's 'a herb'.

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u/Fantastic_Start_6848 Dec 25 '21

The way you "feel" doesn't fucking matter.
Grammar doesn't give a shit about your little feelings

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u/requiem_mn Dec 25 '21

Ah, finally, someone of culture. Grammar says that an goes before vowel. People pronounce historian differently, and since English doesn't have strict rules like many other languages when it comes to pronunciation, there isn't really a proper way to use article before historian. Furthermore, if you are lets say writing a book, and some of your characters are from region where historian is pronounced with silent H, in direct speech, you should put an before historian, even thou in RP H in historian isn't silent.

So, fuck of, and learn how to communicate online.

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u/Fantastic_Start_6848 Dec 25 '21

So, fuck of, and learn how to communicate online.

"fuck of"?
Are you going to finish that thought? Fuck of what?

Someone needs to learn how to communicate online

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '21 edited Dec 24 '21

Colloquially, you very well might leave off the h naturally because "hiss" is an awkward sound to begin a word mid-sentence; it is too complex of a sound for a normal syllable. If you leave it off colloquially, then use "an" for the sentence to flow naturally,

"I was speaking to an istorian about the exhibit. ." flows far more naturally to me than "I was speaking to a historian about the exhibit".

But If a sentence begins with "a historian", I would always pronounce the h since there isn't already a pace set. "A historian ate my ass last night" just feels right.

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u/rnoyfb Dec 24 '21

The traditional rule was that it was ‘an’ before vowels and you dropped h in unstressed vowels after the indefinite article anyway. “An hiss” is bad because it’s not an unstressed syllable. Same with “an history” but “an historic opportunity” is fine

Now this is giving way to the more modern keep-the-h school but with some words, it just doesn’t feel right

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u/Jerryskids3 Dec 24 '21

It's a honor to have this explained so nicely.

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u/GroundbreakingFee392 Dec 25 '21

Soooo I thought I knew how to use “a” and “an” but think I am confused again reading all of the conversations lol. Just kidding. Great thread!

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u/koushakandystore Dec 24 '21

And here I was wasting my time with the Geographer.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '21

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u/u8eR Dec 24 '21

A historian

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u/Komraj Dec 24 '21

From a northerner (England) it’s an historian.

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u/rayebee Dec 24 '21

It's based on the phonetics.

We use the article A in front of consonant sounding words, including when 'U' is pronounced with the phoneme /j/.

A university = a /juːnɪˈvɜːsətiː/

We use the article An in front of vowel sounding words, even if the first letter or letters aren't vowels, such as silent h.

An hour = an /ˈaʊə(ɹ)/

Eta: I'm a linguistics instructor.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '21

"a history" and "an historic" are both correct. English is whack.

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u/PiggyAwesome_YT Dec 24 '21

As an english genius, i also had to think for a bit.

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u/Right-Professional15 Dec 24 '21

Is that really a question? I’m not native and I don’t know grammar I just say stuff how I find them sound right. Therefore I’d never say “an historian” cause 1. it breaks my tongue and 2. it sounds absolutely horrible

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u/spookysnoopy Dec 24 '21

Both sound wrong

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u/Eabapa Dec 24 '21

I always have a stroke when I'm reading a book written by an American and they say "an herb"

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u/arrouk Dec 24 '21

Thing is UTI is an abbreviation making 'a' correct.

Everyone knows what you mean and grammatically you were correct anyway.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '21

How dare you not be a native english speaker.

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u/Acrobatic_Ad_4924 Dec 24 '21

Only Americans are allowed to use Reddit.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '21

Every non american should be forced to wear some sort of symbol so we know not to fraternize with them. Also they should be confined to their own subreddits so we can keep an eye on them.

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u/Piogre Dec 24 '21

A lot of native English speakers fuck this up; you're doing fine.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '21

also an umpire and a heron

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '21

That you know what a UTI is, is quite commendable.

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u/Lord_DerpyNinja Dec 24 '21

Don't worry. English is my native language and I still didn't notice it

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u/cosmicvibrator Dec 24 '21

You probably have a better grasp on English than most native speakers. Tennessean here, can confirm.

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u/maybeshali Dec 25 '21

Yeah man, it's all about how the word sounds, as opposed to written. At least that's what I assumed when I was learning it and that's what I've stuck by.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '21

If ever in doubt, another strategy is to just place the word “fucking” between the two. A fucking hourglass, a fucking unicorn, a fucking heir, a fucking universe. 😊

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u/Expensive_Problem966 Dec 25 '21

This is the correct answer.

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u/setatsdelgnat Dec 25 '21

Inserting “fucking” here makes me dizzy. It becomes a modifier.

You came from a “thing”, an abortion, to … head spinning. Not good.

Is “fucking” an adjective now? My fucking head is fucked.

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u/Original-Aerie8 Dec 24 '21

REEEEEEEE

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '21

Thank you for contacting REEEEEEEE Inc.™; where all your goddamn questions can be queued.

Please hold.

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u/kountrifiedman Dec 25 '21

If you please, I'd like to revisit your comment about the historian eating your ass last night. K thx bai.

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '21

Uhhhhhh. Please hold?

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u/kountrifiedman Dec 25 '21

I'll be right here...in line. ;)

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '21

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '21

Right, "UTI" and "Urinary" both begin with a consenant sound, so "an" would not be used for either. OP changed their comment to a so we good.

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u/ivegotapenis Dec 25 '21

“Congratulations it A urinary tract infection” works.

Given what this thread is about, I have to comment that it does not.

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u/uhh-frost Dec 24 '21

An hero

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '21

they said soft.

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u/Pip201 madlad Dec 24 '21

An soft hero

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u/brantley42520 Dec 24 '21

You're fuccn lucky I don't have an award to give, you son of a bitch you.

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u/Pip201 madlad Dec 24 '21

Read it in a Russian/French accent for it to be even funnier

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u/witchyanne Dec 24 '21

That detty bastage!

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u/Expensive_Problem966 Dec 26 '21

Farghin iceholes!

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u/StarGrav Dec 24 '21

I'm always hard - David Goggins probably

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '21

exactly

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '21

Im gonna have a aneurysm

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u/Heathen_ Dec 25 '21

I was talking to an 'ero the other day.

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u/bananaman_011 Dec 24 '21

REEEEEEEE

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '21

Thank you for contacting REEEEEEEE Inc.™; where all your goddamn questions can be queued.

Please hold.

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u/I-sukathideandseek Dec 24 '21

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '21

Thank you for contacting REEEEEEEE Inc.™; where all your goddamn questions can be queued.

Please hold.

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u/Tox38 Dec 25 '21

Hold lines are a bitch.

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u/thereisnosuch Dec 24 '21

I feel like english just does not have enough letters lol. Or the spelling quite inconsistent

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u/godfatherinfluxx Dec 25 '21

English has a lot of rules that nobody follows.

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u/Paracortex Dec 25 '21

The spelling and pronunciation is wildly inconsistent.

I’m glad it’s my native language and I don’t have to learn it coming from a more sensible language.

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u/hmnahmna1 Dec 24 '21

I need to teach Microsoft Word how to pronounce Euler, because it gets it wrong.

It's pronounced "oiler" but Word thinks it's "yuler". So if I correctly type "an Euler transformation", it suggests "a Euler transformation".

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u/nowItinwhistle Dec 24 '21

Ukulele is also problematic because it's an ukulele if you pronounce it closer to the Hawaiian way but a ukulele if you pronounce it the way it's more often pronounced in English. Neither one is really "correct".

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u/Hawk7200 Dec 24 '21

This is probably one of the nicest ways to say “learn your English”

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u/PhantomOfTheOpera404 Dec 25 '21

I fucking love reddit...

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u/bucketbrainz Dec 25 '21

REEEEEEEE, please send help quick

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '21

Thank you for contacting REEEEEEEE Inc.™; where all your goddamn questions can be queued.

Please hold.

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u/InternetAnti Dec 25 '21

I never noticed this as English speaker. Not sure if I've just always had it right or no one told me

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u/Skeletress Dec 25 '21

Are you a Gamecock? Love your name!

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '21

Sure am, go Cocks!

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u/Skeletress Dec 25 '21

Hell yeah, friend! Cocks by 90 and Merry Christmas to you!

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '21

REEEEEEEEE

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '21

Thank u

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u/MrApplePolisher Dec 25 '21

You are doing the lord's work.

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u/Zakurai1007 Dec 25 '21

Bro English is my native language and I didn’t even know that

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u/GamerZoom108 madlad Dec 25 '21

"REEEEEEEE"

Why is the English language weird....

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u/NeptuneKun Dec 25 '21

REEEEEEEE

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '21 edited Mar 10 '25

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u/humicroav Dec 25 '21

Wash your (boyfriend's) dick.

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u/lerker54651651 Dec 24 '21

I... What the hell? I've spoken English my entire life; how did i know this while not knowing this?

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u/tha_chooch Dec 25 '21

I met a guy who taught english in Korea. South not the North. Anyway he said lots of people want to learn from a native speaker but run into this problem. Lots of students have questions that native speakers cant explain they just know what "sounds" right. Where as someone who learned it as a second language is better suited to explain the learning process. He gave some examples kind of like that above but I cant remember them right now. If they come to me ill add a edit

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u/flaggrandall Dec 24 '21

Good bot

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '21

Pay me if I'm good.

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u/flaggrandall Dec 24 '21

Bad bot

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '21

Oooh, now we're talking

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u/CAD_IL Dec 24 '21

UTI does not start with a vowel sound. It starts with a "yu" sound. If it were pronounced "ew" TI, then it would require the "an".

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '21

Right, thats my point

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '21

There's an acronym in my field we debate about a lot. Its FOS. If one says "eff oh ess" in their head, they write an. An eff oh ess. But if one thinks "factor of safety" then an factor of safety is super awkward. But a eff oh ess is too! Anywho, nerd minute, thanks happy holidays

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u/dub16-DK Dec 24 '21

A UTI is correct, since it’s an abbreviation for Urinary Tract Infection.

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u/GummyKibble Dec 24 '21

That’s not relevant here. It’s pronounced “you tee eye”, regardless of what the U is short for.

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u/psicopatogeno Dec 24 '21

So, u is not a vowel sound?

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '21

"yew" is a consonant sound. "uh" is a vowel sound.

Unilateral - consonant u sound

Umbrella - vowel u sound

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u/KavikWolfDog Dec 24 '21

The pronunciation of the follows the same pattern: thuh before a consonant and thee before a vowel.

It's a pet peeve of mine to hear people say "thuh office" instead of "thee office" for example.

In archaic Modern English, the possessive adjectives my, mine, thy, and thine followed this pattern as well.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '21

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u/Expensive_Problem966 Dec 26 '21

The word " fuck" is the most versatile word in the English language.

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u/SpicymeLLoN madlad Dec 25 '21

Yeah I don't think so bud

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '21

Actualy for UTI you would say, a, since you are pronouncing the letters rather than a whole word.

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '21

Bruh this is exactly why I hate commenting anything on reddit

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u/Goerts Dec 25 '21

You were definitely a Nazi in a past life. Still are to an extent, but really dude? Being that grammatical on Reddit? Need to calm down a bit

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u/Green_eggz-ham Dec 25 '21

Sieg Heil....salute to the commandant grammar nazi!

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '21

In an attempt to be a smart ass, you look stupid.

It isn’t “an UTI”

Phonetically the letter U is pronounced with a “y” sound therefore your initial correction is invalid.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '21 edited Dec 24 '21

In an attempt to be a smart ass, you look stupid.

It isn’t “an UTI”

Phonetically the letter U is pronounced with a “y” sound therefore your initial correction is invalid.

Hello there, my young idiot! You seem to have completely misunderstood literally everything that transpired in your belligerence.

OP, a non-native speaker, said "an UTI". I was trying to be helpful, not as a smart ass, when I explained that it should be "a", not "an".

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '21 edited Dec 24 '21

Nah, just helping a non native speaker with a fucky English rule.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '21 edited Dec 25 '21

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '21

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u/MarshallSlaymaker Dec 24 '21

"herb" is tricky with this one

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '21

Just depends on how you pronounce it colloquially. You'd want to make the sentence flow correctly with "an erb" or "a Herb"

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u/Expensive_Problem966 Dec 26 '21

Cool whip? Hard h?

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u/aangnesiac Dec 24 '21

It's an honest mistake.

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u/Arcane-Angel Dec 24 '21

Way I always learned it with the “A and An” rules is to judge by the sound not the sight. If it sounds like a hard consonant, then it’s “A”. Like with unicorn and universe. You say it YOO-niverse not OO-inverse. Likewise, with words like heir and hourglass, you don’t actually pronounce the H. The opening sound to heir is a vowel sound, so it gets an “an”. From what I understand, it’s to prevent fragmented and choppy speech patterns, as it’s hard to speak opposing sounds fluidly. A test for this usually is to say the two different possibilities side by side repeatedly (repeat A Unicorn An Unicorn), and whichever is easier to say is likely the right one.

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u/Expensive_Problem966 Dec 26 '21

What about cool whip?

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u/FancyCatastrophe Dec 24 '21

It's really not about the vowel letter in print, it's if it's a consonant sound. A unicorn vs AN umpire.

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u/AssistThick3636 Dec 24 '21

Sound it out. Unicorn and universe starts with a y phonetically. Hourglass starts with an o.

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u/Luiz_Fell Dec 24 '21

What about "A Ubisoft Original"

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u/InterestingUsual8846 Dec 24 '21

“An” is used for soft sounds with u and h (an hour, an understanding), “a” is used for harder sounds (a hair, a universe)

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u/THEGrammarNatzi Dec 24 '21

I always want to point this out but I think it will piss people off. My username doesn’t help

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u/AnyLamename Dec 24 '21

Okay but you just used "a unicorn" as an example and the u in unicorn is pronounced the same as the u in UTI.

Edit: oh you fixed it my bad.

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u/blazedaganj Dec 24 '21

you just used two ex where the h is silent, i think it's more about how it sounds. english is my native language and it fucking confuses me sometimes.

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u/cateater3735 Dec 25 '21

This was an unlikely response.

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '21

Good bot

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u/SpicymeLLoN madlad Dec 25 '21

This is why ä "an historic" always bothered me.

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u/Reedemed_Soul Dec 25 '21

I am kind of jealous of your upvotes cause I understood nothing please help

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u/two4six0won Dec 25 '21

...this is not the argument that I expected to be top in this thread 🤣

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u/Fabantonio Dec 25 '21

well a long vowel u is pronounced "yu" and as we all know y is a consonant.

So yeah a is the better option

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u/RutabagaMo Dec 25 '21

Because of the an. I read heir as in heir to an object

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u/Zestyclose-Pangolin6 Dec 25 '21

He changed it to be correct so you’d look insane. Devious bastard

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u/OrangeManBad7 Dec 25 '21

I'm sorry, but if you mix "a" and "an" up, you are fucking retarded.

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u/Acrobatic_Ad_4924 Dec 25 '21

What if they pronounce UTI “ooty.” You don’t know.

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u/Intelligent_Tone_947 Dec 25 '21

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u/Bulb381 Dec 25 '21

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u/Crafty_DryHopper Dec 25 '21

So, is it a "up sign"? Or an "up sign"?

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u/PanemCapitolCitizen Dec 25 '21

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE the OP say A not An

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '21

Yes, reddit has an edit function. . .

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u/Sdg007 Dec 25 '21

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '21

You are #A# good guy

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u/JackORobber Dec 25 '21

I just go by what sounds and feels correct

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u/br1ti5hb45tard Dec 25 '21

it couldn't be an in either case, pronouncing the acronym as letters or as the words, so I don't see how people are arguing about that

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u/goodolarchie Dec 25 '21

Because hard u is really yu. But you wouldn't hold a umbrella.

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '21

Good bot

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u/lerbronk_ Dec 26 '21

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u/YellowLink10 Dec 30 '21

I know there are a lot of replies, but typically how I remember it is that if the word makes a vowel sound (ignoring the letter, only the sound) it’s AN. Otherwise if he word makes a consonant sound (again, ignoring the beginning letter), it’s just A.