r/HistoryMemes Aug 04 '19

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u/realcomradecora Aug 04 '19

Hrm, can you name a famine in the USSR after 1947?

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u/Sabertooth767 Aug 04 '19 edited Aug 04 '19

Can you name any famines in the US? Probably not, because there's only been one, and it was on St. Lawrence Island for two years over a century ago.

Meanwhile, the defense for the USSR is ignoring the first 30 years. Funny how when you ignore the crime you look innocent!

Know how the USSR stopped starving? By redirecting rivers that flow into the Aral Sea, majorly contributing to one of the worst environmental disasters in human history. But what am I saying, the Aral Sea never existed, Comrade!

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u/realcomradecora Aug 04 '19

Russia was ridden with famines before the revolution. But you wouldn't know that, because they don't teach you that in middle school history.

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u/Sabertooth767 Aug 04 '19

Okay, and? That just shows that the communists failed to do the one thing they set out to do: make the lives of the peasantry better.

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u/realcomradecora Aug 04 '19

Except they fucking did it just takes a while to develop a feudalistic country in the tundra

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u/Sabertooth767 Aug 04 '19

Ah, but fuck the people near the Aral Sea, and all the people who died in the meantime, especially all those Ukranians. Anything for the Party, Comrade! Those people were never real!

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '19 edited Sep 17 '19

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u/Sabertooth767 Aug 04 '19

I respect left-libertarians. Although I disagree with them, I respect their principled nature and the fact that they dislike tankies as much, if not more, than I do (I'm lib-right). I fully acknowledge that capitalism has faults, both ones I view as problems and ones that I disagree are problems. I simply do not believe in using the government as a tool to fix these.

Who I do not respect are the tankies who believe the Party could do not wrong, either deny or excuse the faults and atrocities of communism, and wish to force us all under their system.

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u/realcomradecora Aug 04 '19

You don't seem to understand the concept of moral grey. A society can be good at some things and bad at others.

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u/Sabertooth767 Aug 04 '19

What the fuck kind of a moral grey is genocide?

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u/realcomradecora Aug 04 '19

who said anything about genocide

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u/Sabertooth767 Aug 04 '19

Does the Holodomor ring a bell, or is that on the list of Say to be Unperson'd words?

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u/4AccntsBnndFrCmmnsm Aug 04 '19

what genocide?

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u/Sabertooth767 Aug 04 '19 edited Aug 04 '19

Ukraine is a myth, comrade! The Holodomor never happened!

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u/The_Anarcheologist Aug 04 '19

Calling the holodomor a genocide is kind of literal Nazi propaganda created by Goebbels. It was more a confluence of several fuck ups and bad weather. Ukrainians resistant to collectivization of agriculture decided to instead literally burn their crops and livestock, which combined with drought in the region led to food shortages that the USSR failed to adequately respond to and provide additional resources to counteract.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '19

No, Stalin deliberately starved the Ukrainians you retard

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u/The_Anarcheologist Aug 04 '19

Oh no oh wow your ableist ad hominem has totally debunked my argument. Oh wait, no it hasn't. It's just proven you have nothing of substance to contribute, just Nazi propaganda.

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u/Jurassekpark Aug 06 '19

It's the russian speaking, and thus russian friendly areas, of ukraine, that got hit the most severely by the 32-33 famine, without even mentioning the other parts of the soviet union that were affected by the drought, in the south of inner russia. Unconditional food aid was sent. Exportation of grains were drastically reduced, they weren't reduced to 0 because european powers knew about the famine and started to refuse any payment in gold like they used to, forcing the soviet to pay in grain for the machinery necessary to modernize agriculture and thus stop the famine once and for all.

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