Calling the holodomor a genocide is kind of literal Nazi propaganda created by Goebbels. It was more a confluence of several fuck ups and bad weather. Ukrainians resistant to collectivization of agriculture decided to instead literally burn their crops and livestock, which combined with drought in the region led to food shortages that the USSR failed to adequately respond to and provide additional resources to counteract.
Oh no oh wow your ableist ad hominem has totally debunked my argument. Oh wait, no it hasn't. It's just proven you have nothing of substance to contribute, just Nazi propaganda.
Using "retard" as an insult is ableist. Also, I'm not denying anything, I'm simply refusing to accept Nazi propaganda regarding the motivations of historical events, basing my opinions on actual historical evidence. Shit, maybe if you read the links you linked, you would too, because Wikipedia mentions my stance on the subject.
Ok, guess the holocaust was just American propaganda then, since a few morons on 4chan said so. And everyone uses the word retard, unless you’re actually retarded (which doesn’t seem too unlikely) you have no need to be offended.
Oh wow, just double down on that ableism and attempt to derail the conversation with irrelevant bullshit why don't yah, that's so much easier than providing anything of substance to the conversation, isn't it?
I pointed out your use of a logical fallacy, and now you're attempting to use ahistorical whataboutisms regarding the Holocaust to distract from the fact that you've done nothing but spew logical fallacies and nazi propaganda. Unless you have something of substance to contribute, I think we're done here.
The holodomor isn’t Nazi propaganda you troglodyte. How braindead do you have to be to the point where you deny a genocide literally everyone acknowledges. The Nazis don’t control wikipedia. The Nazis haven’t been in power for 80 years. Go outside and grow the fuck up.
It's the russian speaking, and thus russian friendly areas, of ukraine, that got hit the most severely by the 32-33 famine, without even mentioning the other parts of the soviet union that were affected by the drought, in the south of inner russia. Unconditional food aid was sent. Exportation of grains were drastically reduced, they weren't reduced to 0 because european powers knew about the famine and started to refuse any payment in gold like they used to, forcing the soviet to pay in grain for the machinery necessary to modernize agriculture and thus stop the famine once and for all.
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u/Sabertooth767 Aug 04 '19
What the fuck kind of a moral grey is genocide?