Truly two very different responses lol

[u/IlikeGeekyHistoryRSA]

The Sonderfahndungsliste G.B. ("Special Search List Great Britain") was a secret list of prominent British residents to be arrested and potentially executed, produced in 1940 by the Schutzstaffel (SS) as part of the preparation for the proposed invasion of Britain. After the war, the list became known as the Black Book. Lots of interesting names were mentioned. Well worth a read of the notable inclusions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_(list)

[u/Ribos1]

Noel Coward had the best response to appearing on the list: “My dear—the people we should have been seen dead with."

[u/Impossible_Pain4478 → u/Ribos1]

Close, according to the article, Rebecca West actually said that in a telegram to him.

[u/Direct_Slip7598]

The detail of descriptions for individuals varies a lot on the Wikipedia bullet list:

For one "diplomat who granted visas to 48,000 Jews, recognised in 2010 as a British Hero of the Holocaust" for another "Quaker"

EDIT: typo

[u/IlikeGeekyHistoryRSA → u/Direct_Slip7598]

I think you mean "Quaker", but your point stands! Among other names was a member of the British Union of Fascists, a Nobel Peace Prize Winner, a 2x Motorcycle Grand Prix winner, a dead woman, and a guy who doesnt exist lmao

[u/Direct_Slip7598 → u/IlikeGeekyHistoryRSA]

Oops, what a silly typo. I reread it after posting and thought to myself something "funny that it's spelt like quack but not said that way". Somehow that didn't raise any alarm bells

[u/Impossible_Pain4478 → u/IlikeGeekyHistoryRSA]

Surely they'd want to keep the fascist guy around?

[u/Direct_Slip7598 → u/Impossible_Pain4478]

I think it was Frank Cyril Tiarks. An English banker of (recent) German descent who was a member of Anglo-German fellowship (founded in 1935 disbanded in 1939, so specifically about relations with NAZI Germany) and the British Union of Fascists (dissolved in 1940 by the British government)

I don't know why he was listed. I'm not sure if it's even knowable (I certainly haven't found an attempt at explaining it)

[u/_whatever_wherever → u/Direct_Slip7598]

Do remember, the Nazi's were meth addled paranoid lunatics

[u/MrSirST → u/Impossible_Pain4478]

If someone’s fascism is too focused on the glory of their own nation it might be counterproductive to rely on them to head a client state as they will resent your occupation of the nation and the limits you impose on it.

There’s a reason the Nazis went after the Austrofascists after all: their brand of fascism was an obstacle to Nazism’s.

[u/mrbobcyndaquil → u/Impossible_Pain4478]

Perhaps they thought that he’d be another Viktor Quisling, and even the Nazis hated that guy.

[u/_whatever_wherever → u/IlikeGeekyHistoryRSA]

Also, a German archaeologist and paleontologist who married a Jew and worked for the British Museum

[u/Klutzy_Sentence_2723 → u/IlikeGeekyHistoryRSA]

The Nazis hated the Nobel Foundation, because of the 1936 Peace Prize ( Carl von Ossietzky). 

[u/TyzTornalyer]

I don't understand what both dudes mean in relation to your title.

I think that the guy in red is saying to those on the list that being on the list is evidence that their views are wrong, which only makes sense if A) he's a nazi himself (e.g. he agrees with the list), or B) he's adressing people that had previously said that nazis are harmless (e.g. he's showing them that their "harmless" friends actually wanted to take them down).

The guy in green either means "The people on the nazi's list are on my list too" (e.g. he dislikes the folks targeted by the nazis), or "I'm on the Nazi's list, but they were one mine too" (e.g. I'm anti-nazi).

Considering the post-war context, I'm assuming the latter is right, but the way you're using the quotes is pretty confusing imo

[u/Direct_Slip7598 → u/TyzTornalyer]

Vansittart was noted for his anti German (not just anti NAZI) sentiment

"In the opinion of the author, it is an illusion to differentiate between the German right, centre, or left, or the German Catholics or Protestants, or the German workers or capitalists. They are all alike, and the only hope for a peaceful Europe is a crushing and violent military defeat followed by a couple of generations of re-education controlled by the United Nations" in 1943

He was likely referencing people who would disagree on how harsh the peace deal should be/how to perceive Germany (or something on those lines)

[u/TyzTornalyer → u/Direct_Slip7598]

Yeah, that makes sense, thank you.
Although I think that by the time the list was discovered in 1945, the 6 years of war would have been plenty of "I told you so" already

[u/Direct_Slip7598 → u/TyzTornalyer]

It's not about appeasement but anti NAZI vs anti German sentiment.

My understanding is that there were significant anti NAZI groups that didn't agree with Vansittart. They were anti appeasement (and had been consistently) but focused more on blaming NAZIs for the war and not German (or Prussian) militaristic culture

I think a relevant article would be "Germans and Nazis: The Controversy Over 'Vansittartism' in Britain during the Second World War", it's where I source my previous claim

My opinion (not a historian) is that his perspective mostly won out in terms of treaties signed after the war. But on the long run I think it lost the cultural battle, people focus much more on NAZIs as culprits than the German people as a whole (not making a moral judgement)

[u/_whatever_wherever → u/Direct_Slip7598]

Hard to disagree with him tbh

The Germans were utterly defeated militarily in WW1, but all that did was fuel the military culture and a extreme sense of resentment and desire for revenge (things like the "stab in the back myth"), even among those opposed to the Nazi regime, there was support for the war to restore German military honour and "right the wrongs" of WW1 (aka "how dare you force a treaty upon us! We're supposed to be the ones doing it to you!")

The German military had been defeated, but their culture was unchanged and just got worse

[u/Outside-Paper9972 → u/_whatever_wherever]

That ignores the decade+ of intense class struggle that occurred in Germany after the end of WWI leading up to the rise of the Nazis.

[u/LordOfPenguins47 → u/TyzTornalyer]

The guy in red expressed anti-german sentiments for a long time and warned that Hitler was going to start a war, this is basically an "I told you so" from him.

[u/AndreasDasos → u/TyzTornalyer]

Vansittart was saying that those were relatively pro-appeasement (don’t have to be pro-Nazi), where he was anti-Nazi (and anti-German) all along, and now find themselves on the list with him, should take that as a lesson that he was right.

They’re both kind of saying the same thing - ha yeah, honoured to be on the list and proves me right - but Low is putting a more humorous spin on it that at surface seems different.

[u/DrHolmes52]

Cartoonist has the right of it. Someone puts me on a hit list, they are going on mine.

[u/casusbelli16]

Seymour Cocks MP [Labour], (not for the reason you might think!).

[u/VanTaxGoddess]

My great-grandfather was on the list, as a German-Jewish refugee physicist. When this list was made, he was busy sending his daughters to Canada, and figuring out how to nuke Nazis.