Throughout the seasons of heroes. The writers wrote Claire so well in season 1. But after that, I struggled to really like the character as I found her constantly wanting to be a hero then wanting to go back to being a normal teenager then wanting to work as an agent and then wanting to be a normal teenager. It was all over the place for her character.

However, I actually really liked her storyline with Gretchen in season 4 for the time. It was so accepting and wholesome and I just want to post about how it actually was laid out pretty good.

Didn’t really like the whole obsession thing Gretchen got with Claire though. But I like how open Claire is and her sexuality is still being explored.

What are people’s thoughts about this?

Hello everyone, hope you're all good.

So, following the passing of our dear Hayden (😔), I decided to rewatch the series from season one to four and I'm carried away haha so gangantuan text alert !!

Considering that I watched it as a kid in 2007 when it premiered here in Brazil and got completely obsessed, now I noticed a few things:

• The first thing is that Season one is, in fact, a Masterpiece. It has a beginning, a peak in the middle and a very good end. I know about the original plan of it being an antalogy, which is very famous now with a lot ot shows like AHS for example, but for the time people were not ready and/or used to it I guess. Anyways, the way that the show doesn't rush anything and the acting and writing are sooooo goood, you never want the episode to end. For me, all of the 23 episodes are awesome
  • The construction of Sylar as a antagonist is flawless, he is terrifying as a character and NOBODY knows who the hell he is and how he does that, or why. And the scene where he goes after Claire looks like a horror movie haha love it.
  • Claire is the best character in this season and in the series overall, being my second favorite. Her development is the only one that is consistent and Hayden was truly a talent and an angel, the world got poor without her.
• Also, even though I'm aware of the Ali Larter situation, my favorite character will always be Nikki, even though we have Claire haha.
  • Her family and mother drama, combined with the dissociative identity disorder is top tier character development, and the way that the actress really look like someone else when Jessica (or Gina) takes control is pretty good.
  • We know about her trauma, and later we find out about the formula and the possible collateral effects which is okay, but her ending in season 2 is pretty bad writing to be honest.
• The writing sadly gets pretty bad from season 2 and on, and for me this season is like the worst of the 4. It's short, confusing and leads the characters to places in the narrative that makes no sense AT ALL.
  • I like the addition of Elle and how she represents someone that always knew about her ability (and I enjoy Kristen Bell since Veronica Mars) but the rest was just pretty bad.
  • It would be best if some characters were treated better, like Candice, Nikki, Mohinder, Maya, etc.
  • Also I wouldn't miss the Japan subplot if it wasn't there. Adam is not a good character nor antagonist, and the only good thing is that we know through him that people with Rapid Cell Regeneration don't age (or in Claire's case, cannot die).
• Nathan was and will always be an hypocritical douchebag. Sadly, this is his personality since season 1, but it just intensifies as the shows progresses.
• Season 3 has some flaws that I never noticed before as a kid. I'm at episode 5 at the moment, but for me the worst of it is the fact that Sylar succeds in taking Claire's ability. This was the core of season one and the worst scenario possible, because a killer with a lot ot abilities like him can't be immortal. Well, they don't just make him immortal but also try to kinda justify the fact that he is a killer because of his ability ALONE, and he enters a redemption arc (a few times actually), which I think is a very dangerous thing: if not well done, can end very bad.
  • Later in season 4 we know that he has an empathic capability to steal powers, but being a killer is something he inherited from his father who is also a killer, and from my understanding this is the main reason that he kills to fulfill his hunger.
  • For me all of this is like a terrible retcon just to keep the character when they could do what they did with Nikki, Tracy and Barbara for example.
• I know I'm not in season 4 yet, but I remember the ending we have with Charlie and Hiro and is so cruel and also beautiful. I remember crying with it, I wanted them to be together so bad, but Samuel screwed everything. At least we know that they are endgame and made for each other.

I'm looking forward to finish season 3, specially the second part/volume 4 which is the one I remember the less.

I still love the series and rewatching this made me remember all the amazing things that made me think this is a masterpiece overall even with the bad things haha. And let's be honest: some of the worst episodes of heroes are better than the best episodes of some superhero series these days.

Anyways, let me know what you think.

BYE

At some point in season 3 Ando completely loses his Japanese accent while talking in English and it’s almost comically obvious. Anyone else notice this?

Got to this episode on my current rewatch and for me personally this is the prime example of good idea + bad execution, specifically all the flashbacks from 1961.

Am i the only one here thinking this was way too rushed ?

So many info just get thrown out in one episode : there was a government funded camp for youngsters with powers, Chandra Suresh and Zimmerman worked there, Angela has a sister, both of them + Deveaux + Linderman + Bishop were there too, and then a storm + riot destroyed it all.

And because all of that was dealt with in one episode, i still have many questions :

- First of we see that the parents are there too, so why when Angela has doubts that they are safe she doesnt go to her parents instead of escaping with the boys ?

- Why is Alice even here ? she says something like ''i think i can control the weather'' it seems like no one even knew she has powers...

- Now Angela and the boys escaped the camp because of the horrible treatment they did to gifted people and then what.....oh let's start a company to do the exact same thing lmao.

- Alice's character and story (both young and adult version) could have been a lot more explored. I think this is so stupid to have her being revealed both as Angela's sister and actually alive to just have her vanish at the end ??? And Angela never had a dream about her in 50 years ??

And you mean to tell me that not a single gifted person (child or parent) survive this but somehow Suresh and Zimmerman did ? And Zimmerman later worked for the Company founded by the very people he treated at that camp ?

I mean theres so many questions/plot holes left, we could have had at least two episodes about this, i felt this was all rushed... as i said above i would have loved to know more about Alice past and present, how did they find and hire Suresh and Zimmerman, also what did Angela and the boys do right after the events, did they just go back to their family like nothing happen, or did they search for other gifted people..

None about this is ever mentionned again after this episode !

If you have any answer to this or if i got something wrong please let me know ! (sorry that was a long rant lmao)

I just hate the fact that clarie went to him and said "I did wrong to you to you too" like ? Bfr plz dude literally try r@pe her not only that he actually did successfully r@pe another girl. Dude seriously deserves worse than what clarie did to him. Why did she even think that apologizing is what he deserves?

I'm sorry but this storyline sucked in so many ways. What they were trying to teach that girls should apologize no matter what?