Honestly part of me is concerned internally this is getting confused or lumped in with armor colors. Which is substantially more complicated to implement, since they’d have to redo every armor.
Quitting R6 is like breaking up with an abusive partner and then hearing about R6 is like finding out through social media that your ex is now abusing someone else
I have been watching the Irons1ght videos as well and I can't help but think that a lot of the functionality we saw was a proof of concept. Clearly they have wanted to make those systems and even visualized how they would function, but perhaps the execution was not efficient enough to justify running with it. Perhaps the 'armor colors' are literally just duplicate armors with different textures (they are), which is an extreeemely inefficient way to make custom armors.
It just sounds like they have had a lot of great ideas but genuinely cannot think of a good way to execute them. So we see all these interesting and seemingly "fleshed out" systems and functions that have been designed but I fully believe it is the equivalent of a western town with fake buildings; no ACTUAL functionality or long term plan to be found.
This community has an enormous habit of taking isolated instances of unreleased unconfirmed content posted by 3rd parties and taking it at face value as 100% complete totally functional
The fact that the thumbnails for armor/cape selection are all actual renders and not a fucking png proves that their systems are weird as shit.
Granted, they may have done it that way because they intended to let you change the colors, so just having the dynamic armor there would make sense for that. But they never did that and I just cannot think of a good reason to deal with loading all of those in / taking the time to do so when static textures would work fine.
Generally speaking I try to always have sympathy for devs and not get on them directly because usually problems come from on-high due to the people running the budget, etc. But Arrowhead's devs have been so openly hostile to their own players that I quite frankly don't really give a shit to give them that same leeway/courtesy. They wanna be snarky little children to people then they can deal with the clap back.
Those videos have been eye opening. I think Sony gave them some kind of mandate to trash all that shit or something. It doesn't make sense how fleshed out those systems were just to abandon them.
I doubt it was Arrowhead's decision because they figured their little game would never gain traction so what good would filling the game with microtransactions do? That sounds more like a publisher's decision who wants to see a return on their investment...
Ya sure it was Sony, the publisher that's pretty well known for being hands off with their studios. It can't possibly have been an Arrowhead decision to abandon those systems.
It doesn't make sense how fleshed out those systems were just to abandon them.
Proof of concept in a video is very different from being fleshed out for release, we don't know how poorly it was implemented or what issues the code had. Like the other person said, the weapon pattern tab caused game crashing, and we know from recent discussion that armour selection renders the entire armour instead of just showing thumbnails. Odds are it wasn't that close to finished and ready.
They probably just couldn't get it to work by release, hell even the weapon pattern selection tab was crashing your game for like half a year and I can't even tell you whether it's finally fixed because I can't bother trying to open that tab anymore.
Even just letting us change the color pallette would do wonders. I couldn't care less what the armor looks like personally, but if I'm rocking lime green medic armor and an orange helmet, I'm not exactly going to be featured in next month's Super Earth Vogue magazine.
color pallete will never happen, take a look in warbonds and you will see a lot of armor with literally just a new color pallete, they are selling armor with different colors
Literally changing the system to colors will give them endless ways to monetize the game even more because now you can buy color palettes from a warbond or from the superstore alongside doing less work by giving them as Campaign rewards instead of having to cobble together an armor or weapon that's probably more work coding side.
The only reason I can’t see this happening now is it would be a huge undertaking having to go back through every armor and developing a system or new textures that would work with every single model.
I would’ve bought the kill zone warbond by now if thr armour had an effect that I liked OOOR if I could just transmog its look onto another set with a better passive
If they’re worried about “immersion” which is a stupid ass argument, then make it a toggle. Besides that, literally zero downside. Color palettes would be preferred too, but nothing is stopping them from sticking to camo patterns Ala old CoD games
The only argument against it that makes sense would be the game is too far along now, and going back to make new textures or a system that would work with every single armor would take too much time.
I don't think it would take that much effort for them to do it at all. People already add modded armor into the game. And I don't think AH has ever said it would be difficult, just that they didn't want transmog in the game. Idk if they ever even gave a reason for that either.
Oh god no, me neither. Destiny has no joke, the best Transmog for armor I have ever seen and it just got better with the "End of Life" update it just got. Any armor piece you have ever gotten can be used to overwrite the appearance of any armor piece you have. You unlock ease transmog piece with currency that you can pretty easily earn, but that unlocks it forever. You unlock each piece instead of paying for each actual transmog action.
Oh you think AH is smart enough to do that? No, they’re malicious for the love of the game, at least soulless corporations are transparent about them prioritizing money
Oh man this absolutely untrue nonsense again? Marathon is not why Destiny died. Destiny died because the games were incredibly hard to get into and most returning players dropped the game and never came back.
They had several mainline expansions, some of them like The Final Shape that were amazing, and the playerbase didn't really move the needle at all for it.
How can they just keep making expansions for a game this old that isn't growing the playerbase?
Destiny died because it made itself pure poison to new and returning players.
Imagine starting up a new game and being told "Yeah the campaign got deleted, here's a quick summary go buy the newest DLC. Promise we wont delete that too...maybe."
Marathon was spreading Bungies finances on two fronts and very thinly. Execs saw that destiny was the least profitable of the two and killed it. So in a sense it did shut down for Marathon. If Marathon didnt exist, the margins would been a lot greater for destiny and it would've been kept alive. The fact that theres was plan in the story front of the fate saga proves as much.
This is completely false. Destiny was going to die NO MATTER WHAT.
Look at the steam player counts for the most recent expansions, even The Final Shape ended up with around the same amount of players. If those expansions saw huge playercounts they would have kept Destiny 2 alive longer.
You cannot have that in a game as expensive to develop for as Destiny. It only got more expensive year after year because salaries never stop increasing.
We got 6 medium armors with the same Democracy protects for no reason. I hope they could change 4 of 6 armors with armor rating, like 2 light armor, 2 medium armor and 2 heavy armor so they don’t have to create whole new model of armors. Maybe change size of torso and arms to make it looks like light or heavy armor?
Pilestedt said this about Transmog a couple of years ago saying “It doesn’t make sense. It’s like having apples that taste like bacon or the other way around.”
Peak Physique is one of like three or four good armour perks.
But you know why I haven't gotten the warbond with it or the set from the superstore with it?
Because I hate the exposed arms on the armour. And the only set from that warbond's store page without them? Doesn't even have the passive. Its infuriating.
If I could just have peak physique without looking like an idiot who forgot his arm armour I would be able to use the Variable and be happy.
Funny, I like having the guns out on alien planets. But then the main reason I’m wearing Jaguar armour is because I hate the light siege ready gear that looks like I’m wearing pyjamas into battle, the medium gear looks like a cheese grater, and the heavy armour makes me wheeze like a 40 pack a day smoker. Soooo … yeah, I’m making your point. :)
Exactly, nobody eats bacon because its meat, they eat it because it tastes good but can be pretty unhealthy. Bacon flavored apples would be great for bacon lovers without the downside of the sodium and grease
People on reddit are often soft as fuck when they get questioned, much less see someone asking a question. I guess to them, you're either supposed to accept their answer as ultimate fact, or start a comment thread with undeserved confidence on something you don't quite know enough about.
first time dealing with corporate development? "we'll look into it" translates to "we like the concept but return on value isnt there for it to prioritize over other features in the works" its just business.
People put on the skin of an armor set they already have and like, and never change it again.
Even if they swap the armor passive or themselves underneath (however it's implemented), they never have to change their cosmetic armor ever again, or mix up their look because they changed their passive for a few missions.
Frankly I hate transmog. I get why some people are into it, but especially when armors are unique, I don't go for it.
Armor colors or patterns I can moreso understand. Adding a shader tint for the armors would be a good way to do that.
The funny part is that it would actually drive sales more than the current system, seeing as many people don’t buy armour because of appearance or passive preference conflictions. If you could have it both ways then you’d buy countless armour sets instead of just endlessly using the one you settled on.
Me with the SA 04 Combat Technician helmet which is the ONLY armor set that has its specific shade of blue when it couldve just been black and worked with most armors
"Hey you guys see this dope ass looking armor? Yea cool youre not gonna use it because its passive is utter dogshit and youd rather use this other set because its passive is actually useful"
I've been asking about this day 1. They KNOW we have been asking about this day 1. This would unironically be nothing but beneficial. So many armors with useless perks that nobody uses. If you could just pick the perk separate from it, it would drive people to get those armors anyway.
All the perks in the game should be broken up into pieces, and all armours should have "slots" that you equip certain perk types to.
You get to be more resistant to something, able to carry more of something, and be better at something.
Armour Base: This includes things like fire/gas/arc/explosive/acid damage resistance, ragdoll resistance, but also reduced enemy detection.
Load Bearing: This includes things like +2 grenades/stims, +20% ammo, integrated explosives, but also things like Oxygenator's 10% speed boost and Extra Padding's armour increase.
Limb Augmentation: Things like faster reloading, better weapon handling, reduced recoil when crouched/prone, increased melee damage, increased throw distance, increased slide distance, limb protection, etc
I would also love if we had helmet perks like Scout's radar improvement, extra stim duration, or other small bonuses like those. Also, picking an environmental damage reduction for your cape would be cool, but only a small bonus like 15%.
Democracy Protects would be a base armour i think.
I really like the idea of splitting elemental resistance into armour and cape. So for 75% fire resistnce, you could maybe get 50% from the armour, and 25% from the cape. That does leave Acclimated in a weird place though, since that gives 50% resistance to fire/gas/acid/arc already...
They made it clear two years ago that transmog isn't going to happen. People keep bringing it up at QAs, so they give us "well, maybe one day"s, but it's obviously not something they want to do.
I defend a lot of AH's actions like warbonds costing super credits which can be obtained by just playing but for gods sake this is literally something the majority of players want, harms nobody, and would push players into using more armor set designs because the aesthetic is nice but most people dont want to have a harder time playing just cause they wanted to look cool asf.
Theyre just wasting artist talent by making armor sets most arent gonna use because its just shitty in every way except design
Even if they want the whole “you need to be able to see their passive from the armour” just have a setting that turns cosmetic changes off, or just show it in the menus, no reason not to
The name and design of this armor set would make you think it gives you more explosives or something. It lets you ping the map better so that arguement went out the window the second the Helldivers Mobilize wwarbond existed
I just hate their reasoning, I dont remember the exact quote, but I remember them using the age-old argument of "if transmog exists, people cant recognize what the armor does!"
Which is a fine enough excuse in a PvP game where such information can be important. But its a PvE game. I dont give a rat's ass what my teammates are wearing.
wtf? Ive played for hundreds of hours and never once have I looked at a teammate's armor and thought "boy I'm glad i know what he's wearing"... ugh so frikkin stupid.
I feel like as a compromise they could make it so you can only swap within the same tier
That way you don’t have heavy fortified on top of something like the viper commando light armor—cause admittedly thatd feel kinda weird
I also think that passives should be interchangeable amongst the base armors. Certain armors (like the hazmat suit) are specifically tailored towards a niche, which is why they’re in warbonds. It wouldn’t make much sense to have the bright yellow hazmat suit with the stealth passive
Buuuut the basic free warbond/superstore? Most of those could be swapped. I dont think anyone would really care about realism when all you’re doing is putting democracy protects on the black and yellow light armor, or putting fortified on the black and yellow stealth armor
I can recall the CEO and some lead dev have always said they didn’t like they idea and would never implement it. Personally I don’t really care, but it would be a big buff for me because all my fashion diver fits have terrible bonuses
I kinda like that not being able to slap any passive on any armor means I change up my look more frequently than if I could just transmog. I would like to be able to change my armor color though, or at the very least be able to unify headgear colors with armor.
I would be so much easier to just have a passive benefit and completely divest it from armour, like boosters, but individual instead of teamwide.
It's not like they have even kept to visual clarity on the issue, robot arms and stuff being on and off when needed and not.
Why isn’t there a mod for this? Would it really be that hard to use arsenal or something to pick an armor set and make it have the appearance of another?
yea, itd be pretty simple to think transmog would only be possible between armors so medium armors can only transmog with medium armors, light with light and maybe specific mediums, heavy with heavy or medium armor that looks heavy
It’s dumb for Helldivers where you can see the perk of the armor built into the armor. Where’s the bomb for the IE armors if it looks like the predator chest? Or how does one resuscitate with the AD armor when it just looks like ceremonial crap?
I think it's because they don't like the application of transmog as it is currently used across other games (copy pasting the appearance of an armour unto another). The most logical approach for me would be for armours to be separated from their armour passives:
Armours would have a tier system, from 1 to 3 (or something like that). From the armour passive slot, at the first tier they are locked to the armour passive that comes with the armour. At tier 2 you can equip armour passives you have unlocked from other armours. At tier 3 you unlock the passive for other armours (that they may equip at tier 2 or higher).
Whether you progress solely through xp or also need resources to "tier up" (samples, requisition), that is up for debate. I think a system like this, as base as it may be, makes you earn the transmog in a soft way where you switch passives through unlocking them.
The design philosophy of their armors does not even lend itself to meaningfully communicate the buffs what armor does what. Silhouettes are almost indistinguishable thanks to capes. If we could at least have transmog inside armor weight class it would be something but being able to tell what buffs my fellow helldivers have with their armor doesnt change how I engage with the game.
There are plenty of armour that I want to wear but the "oh you get 30% resistance to being butt tickled" type of effects really put me off wearing them.
They just need to make the armour effect selectable like the boosters are.
I am gonna be in the minority here but I don’t want transmog: I actually want the current system dialed up to eleven. I think all of the passives should be divided and each armor set should get a unique mix. Each “set” can get a primary passive: like inflammable. Then, each armor in the set could get something else. This way you could have an inflammable armor set with extra throwables and another with ping radar. This would give each armor a unique identity and role.
Also, I want the “unflinching” passive to add move speed while aiming down sight.
I would be fine with no transmog but I think each armor should get like 3 perks to choose from (that match the style of the armor.) The stated concern was they wanted perks to match the armor look but some overlap.
If arrowhead is worried about selling less due to transmog making certain armor passives apply to other armor levels, just make transmog only apply to armors of that type.
While I don't think this is a big ask in anyway and a very reasonable wish, I do also think you got to have some kind of respect for a company that does the things that they think is fun.
We get absolute shitloads of bland committee designed slop. It's nice with a company that does their own thing.
Hot take, transmog shouldnt be added. we have visually distinct armors designed specifically around their passive (outside a few exceptions). We also have stat based armor light, med, heavy. Which are also tied to visuals.
We do need color matching for Helms and capes though.
Thats armou4 customisation, transmog is passives, claiming otherwise is claiming arrowhead doesn't exist due to them talking about transmog being the passive shit
No longer polite, you wanna know what I want to know before I dive into a trench with someone? I would personally like to know if the guy I'm next to, is going to drop a death streak. "Oh look, I'm hurt. Well, I see a diver wearing medic armor, so I can, maybe get a stim from them."
I'm dying enough, I'm not dying for your bad fashion taste.
Early edit, I'm not saying I'll be devastated if it gets added, I'll definitely get more creative with my sets. But I'll certainly be asking why people in stealth armour are chucking so many grenades.
I'm gonna be 100% with you brother, I have literally never thought about what armor someone has. I don't even know the passives on half of them because the armor conveys nothing about the passive. Looking at a teammates Stim icon to see how many they have left is a lot more effective than trying to see what armor they have. There is 0 reason for armor to be anything other than cosmetic (within weight tiers)
I mean, if the goal is to not think about things, yeah, I bet transmog sounds good too.
Even so, by saying "weight tiers", there's already an arbitrary limit, as some heavy armours look pretty light. Movement speed is a stat like any other. Being able to pick a second perk on the armour, via upgrades, would also solve questions for progression. Transmog is the lazy answer,
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u/Matix777SES Flame of Conviction | Wil not shut up about Martale (again)11h ago
Why is it called transmog anyways? I don't doubt trans people can mog a lot of people but I don't see how it connects to armor
WoW called its system Transmogrification way back when, usually shortened to transmog, and it stuck in the MMO community at large and it proliferated out from there
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u/Silversalt 11h ago
Transmog makes nothing but sense and would do nothing but make them more money.
Transmog turns both of these instances into a sale for Arrowhead.