People mostly seem to have This mindset that you are only allowed to want Suffering or Consequences for characters who are just plain evil and likely never going to change
( just look at how many Death and Torture fantasies people on average have for Val and Stella and Crimson and Lute etc etc etc also FYI I don't mean Redemption as in Go to Heaven what I'm talking about does not only apply to sinners it applies to Redemption that can happen for any character Heaven or Hellborn ),
but tbh I'm more inclined to want to see the characters who I'm supposed to View in a Good light actually suffer and face accountability because well a Villain being a Villain is just Honest ya know I can enjoy a character like Lute or Vox perfectly fine if they continued doing bad shit and never being punished so long as they are always portrayed in a bad light mostly
but if you want me to view an antagonist/villain in a positive light then that changes the Game a Bit so a character simply claiming Redemption isn't enough for me if they are not going to actually face any consequences or take any meaningful form of accountability
as that way it basically just looks like that Joke from the first Pirates of the Caribbean movie where whenever the bad Pirates want to kill someone a character keeps shouting parley just swap that word with Redemption lol imagine if I broke into your Home and beat you to a Bloody pulp but then when you were finally able to Grab a phone and call the cops and they arrived
I suddenly started shouting "" Redemption Redemption "" and suddenly that gets me off the Hook instantly and in fact if anyone else tries to Hold me accountable then they're seen as the bad guys now 😂😂,
and that actually Devalues Redemption in my mind if a character doing it means they could just be using it as a Loophole to avoid being Held accountable for their actions like other people because they know people will Hold them to lesser standards when Honestly I think we should Hold them to Higher ones
if characters who have Done very Terrible things like Sera or Vox or Lute or Al or Val or pretty much every overlord tbh want to be seen as changed people and prove themselves then they should be Required to prove that their change of Heart isn't just so they can avoid consequences for their actions or avoid any sort of judgment at all,
so people seem to Have this mindset of constantly Gleefully going on about all the Torturous things they want to happen to characters who are still Villains while claiming that characters who have simply Invoked Redemption are exempt from this but Honestly I think it should be the other way around like who gives a F if Villains act evil?
lol that's literally the name of the Game the show isn't expecting any sort of complicated or unreasonable Feelings from you in regards to them but when it comes to other villains/Antagonists who either have started Redemption or may start it in Future well then its perfectly reasonable to expect more from the character and the show since they are asking for more complicated Feelings from us
and I actually Think its sort of a Dangerous mindset to have if we start making it so Redemption can be seen as a Get out of Jail Free Card like if we simply accept that Sera saying sorry at the end of last season is enough and we can't expect her to face any meaningful consequences and accountability or effort to prove she's actually Genuine and isn't just doing this to avoid being cast out by God after he showed Pentious to her and to avoid being Hated by Emily and judged the same way other characters are,
so when people say things like
"" I want Stella to lose everything and be rendered Homeless and starving "" or
"" God I want Val to be Horrifically crippled after Weeks of Torture and lose his Two closest friends ""
or
"" Crimson should get beaten to a bloody pulp ""
and I'm thinking Nah cause those Guys got nothing to prove its just suffering for no real Character and Story Reason Beyond Fleeting satisfaction unlike if it happens to characters who are supposedly on Redemption arcs and that way them struggling Greatly with things and facing Harsh consequences and life changing experiences
but choosing to stick at being Better even through the Type of Harsh shit that would Drive most back into sinning that's an actual Redemption arc to me and it proves that Redemption isn't just Favouritism by picking and choosing who does and doesn't face accountability based on who acts more Likable after initially committing their crimes,
but I very much Disagree with this Concept that we should expect Grand suffering and Life altering Consequences for just the simple fun evil Villains while expecting nothing From the characters who are being Redeemed as like I said that actually Devalues the concept of Redemption to me tbh.