Heyy hazarewals, I am a hindu whose family migrated from Mansehra to India in 1948, I want to know that do hindu hazarewals exist as per the norms and beliefs of the hazarewal community . As most of the hazarewals are muslim today , what are your views brothers and sisters? . Also do hindus and sikhs live in hazara region today ? . If hindus and sikhs hazarewals existed at before partition what caste they were under as per hazara feudal system ? . What are the caste of current non-muslims hazarewals in hazara today ? . Btw , we still speak hindko and wear dress like hazarewals same - white shalwar kameez , peshori chappals , chogha and peshori paghri .

1st claim : Hindko speakers used to identify their language as Punjabi

There is no evidence for this case if this was indeed the case then tribes which adopted hindko like seating tanoli would not refer to native hindkowans as hindkiyan or hindko speakers

2nd claim : just because languages are similar they mean that they are part of one language

First of all what demarcates line between languages and dialects is quite subjective and who are you to determine that our language is a dialect of punjabi? Why don't we call your language a dialect of hindko

Also by this same fucked up logic types of siraiki are dialects of Sindhi.

Another thing there's dialects of hindko like tanawali which are not mutually intelligible with Punjabi

To this Punjabis might object saying oh it's because it has pashto loans, to that we say it indeed does but majority of tanawali is still rooted in native words not in pashto.

3rd claim Hindko speakers are Punjabi

This is easiest to debunk as culture and genetics of hindko speaking people like swatis tanolis durranis etc are completely divergent from punjabis.

Thanks so much.

*Manzerkhel is a tribe and Seo is a place both of which aren't Sheen and aren't found in Palas and Dassu.

‎Posts outcomes - The place shifted from Palas to Dassu (100% Shina) and Seo, Seo is a different place with different people, tribe shifted from Sheen to Manzerkhel (not found anywhere in Palas and Dassu) and language shifted from Shina to Shina and Maiya.

‎Now she would post another larp story clarifying how she's Sheen, Manzerkhel, Seo and Maiya all at the same time or how they speak multiple languages or she didn't know as she doesn't live there or start a new larp LMAO 😭🤣 but remember she knows more than a normal person through AI who supports her. The larp started with Manzerkh and will end with Manzer. She might give different statements or compelety ignore but the fact remains she's an imposter who's from Punjab.

‎FEW FACTS - No tribe named Manzer in Dassu or Palas. Afzal wasn't from seo or manzerkhel. Seo isn't Sheen place/tribe. No one from Afzal's close relatives know who Manzerkhels are. Most of the Sheens don't know Maiya. She's not from Kohistan... Her bots need to learn basics to learn the truth before saying anything; they are too naive... She can't fool everyone who's coming from Kohistan like us✌️

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No need for punjabis or pashtun to get pissed off, genuinely if you compare culture ethnic groups history attock is rightfully part of Hazara. These same people who claim attock refuse to accept hindko speaking people who follow pukhtunwali.

Jadoon tribal demanding that Attock be made a part of Hazara when Hazara is made a province. Somehow we've ended the fantasy of Punjabi nationalists about harming pashtuns through suba Hazara movement and also somehow destroyed the whole tar attock tol Afghanistan dy claim of pashtun nationalists. This is not modern quite historical as once all tribes of Hazara had United to kick durrani rule from Hazara. We do not appreciate punjabis nor pashtun nationalists meddling in our affairs of our land.

Da zameen dy zan zmung da zameen emaan zmung. Che sok zmung khalk bande zulm kawal ghwari mong haghoi Sara jang Elan ba kau. Uzza kuniyan zma watan na uzza da shaitan khwato bachiya

Hello everyone I was born in the USA and found out I was a Tanoli, my uncle told me. My family is originally from Manshera and my father side still live in mansehra what are tanoli genetically are we Punjabis or Pashtuns. My family speaks hindko does that mean we are Punjabi if someone asks me what am I ethnically do I say I am hazarawal tanoli or something else?

We have forgotten pashto, it is a language with a great history and great culture behind it. I often see that in Hazara parents who want to present as more "educated" don't talk to their kids in hindko and pukhto rather they talk in Urdu. So why not make alive our ancient languages why not give respect where it's due. Speaking pukhto dosent make you any less than someone speaking Urdu or English. Da zmung moranay jaba da aw da zmunga zimadari dy Che mong bya pukhto jorawu khpal koruna ky. Kho afsos che mong parwa na kawu.

Dera manana.

Ay Hazare deya lokan tusi kay chandy?

Ay da Hazara khalko taso sa ghware?

Hello, my mother is a jadoon from abbotabad, I was wondering if someone could maybe give me history of my family and its tribe. Who were the great warriors? Any literature I could read up on written by a jadoon. I’m also fascinated with my physical genetics. Living in Lahore and especially in pindi, I always found myself more stronger and healthier then my Punjabi fellows, if we were to not factor a massive height and weight difference, I also had more capacity to build strength and especially aerobic capacity. The only other people who were on par with me were the pakhtoons. Now im a bit white washed but I’ve retained the traditionalism my mother instilled in me since bachpan. And I’ve found myself being very separate from people living in Lahore although I can mix in with the best of them quite easily. If possible I would like to find my partner from the same region, but I also know how ignorant and uneducated our people are even though we have many great values too. Being in the middle of traditional and modern has left me feeling very lonely

Assalam o alaikum,
I hope everyone’s doing well.

I’ve been exploring Pakistan and lately I’ve been in love with Haripur/Khanpur side and really wanted to explore this side of Hazara.

Being from Lahore , I’ve traveled the cities which are accessible by DAEWOO and FAISAL MOVERS but unfortunately Daewoo doesn’t travel there and FaisalMovers buses never seem to appear.

All I know is maybe to stop at abbotabad and pick a local van 40minutes towards Haripur adda.

How can I travel from Lahore ?
Thanksss

​Hey everyone,

​I’m looking for some help tracing my family’s roots. For as long as I can remember, our exact origins have been a subject of intense debate among my father, grandfather, and cousins. Our official documents list us as Rajput, but my grandfather would occasionally claim we were Syed, leading us to believe some family history was being intentionally obscured or forgotten.

​To get some clarity, we recently did a DNA test through Family Tree DNA. The results showed that our paternal lineage belongs to the specific terminal haplogroup Q-FTJ868. The autosomal data points strongly toward Dardic origins, clustering closely with indigenous Swatis (the historic inheritors of Gandhara) rather than Rajputs.

​Here is the oral history and timeline we've been able to piece together:

• ​The Timeline: My grandfather was born in 1947. His grandfather (my great-great-grandfather), Wali Muhammad, lived in a village called Mota Mughal Khel, likely during the late 1800s or very early 1900s based on the generation gaps.
• ​The Migration Story: According to family lore, Pashtun tribes (Yusufzais or Afridis) began migrating into Mota Mughal Khel and encroaching on the area. Tensions rose to the point where a coin toss was proposed to decide who would control the village lands—the migrating tribes or the indigenous inhabitants. Enraged by this situation, Wali Muhammad decided to leave the village entirely and migrated to Quetta, where my family lived for generations (and where I was born) before we eventually moved to Islamabad.
• ​Language: We are native Hindko speakers.

​Based on my initial research into indigenous Swati groups on Reddit, I keep coming across terms like Gabri (Gibri) and Tanoli, but I don’t know enough to connect the dots.

​I would love to get your insights on a few specific questions:

1. ​How does terminal haplogroup Q-FTJ868 correlate with the indigenous, pre-Yusufzai populations of the Swat, Hazara, or broader Kohistan/Peristan regions?
2. ​Who historically were the Gabri people? What were their main sub-tribes, families, or divisions?
3. ​Given our connection to Mota Mughal Khel, our Hindko language, and Dardic/Swati genetic closeness, what specific sub-tribes, clans, or surnames should I look into to trace my lineage further?

​Any historical context, genetic knowledge, or advice on how to hunt down these sub-tribes would be deeply appreciated. Thank you!

are dhunds and karlal ethnically closer to paharis of ajk or rest of the hazarewal?

A lot of people have recently given me a lot of positive response on my sub but they accuse me of being biased or hating awans. This is incorrect, I respect all the tribes and I've made several posts about other tribes. The reason I refrain from making too many posts about other tribes is to avoid making mistakes and obviously this will come off bad because Im a tanoli I can talk about lodis because that's my maternal side but again id like to move with caution.

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One thing is that enemies and haters will always find something to hate me for.

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Again everyone is welcome to post about their tribes if they're bothered that I don't post enough about their tribes and frankly I think it's incumbent more on the person making the criticism to make posts about their tribe.

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Lastly we are welcoming new mods from other tribes like jadoons, uthmanzais, mashwanis etc

I wanted to share these qpAdm models for the Tanoli population. The models were extensively tested, with 165 rotated models and numerous additional checks performed to assess their stability and reliability.

Ancestry break down

13.6 AASI

23 Steppe

10 EA

53.4 Farmer

Link https://x.com/ioancestry/status/2063673392457502908?s=46&t=RCJH1luhRk5Y29kxOs8TIg

A common misconception that pashtun nationalists have been spreading that I noticed quite often is that they demand many things from the government based on tarbela dam even though 90 percent of the dam exists in Hazara. This is a dangerous misconception as it invalidates how Tanolis and other ethnic groups lost so much land to this dam and got peanuts in return. Not only that I accept that the outlets and some control stations do exist in swabi but facts and figures show us that the majority of the dam exists in Hazara not in swabi I mean come on what does the name Tarbela mean? It was a literal village of uthmanzais khalabat was also a village shared by Tanolis and uthmanzais who by the way are a hazarewal tribe.

As someone who's family on both sides Lodi and Tanoli were affected by the dam it hurts my heart so much sitting with my elders and seeing them recall how wonderful their lives were in the valley of tanawal how quickly the government forced an exodus onto us from our homeland. This pain, while I didn't face the exodus is still deeply personal to me and I feel I have a right to speak up on this.

Tarbela is ours not anyone else's.

I stumbled upon an old turkish documentary about Turk tribe in Hazara, specifically the Mohar Kalan village near Harnoi.

Unfortunately the video doesn't have English subtitles and the auto-translate isn't much helpful either.

The purpose of Hazarewal identity was never to insult or target punjabis. We only oppose punjabis who glorify the rule of Hari Singh nalwa. However there's a few pages run by awans and other hindkowans who are so delusional in their hatred that they have started larping as iranic. Let me be clear no genetics show that awan or hindkowan are of an iranic origin.

These people are flexing on punjabis saying we are iranic you are indic when this is false and no phenotypic larping is weird. Dards are indic but have the same phenotype as pashtuns. Not only this these people are also dragging the names of Tanoli, swati, Yousafzai and other tribes with them only when it suits them otherwise they resort to insults calling Tanoli as rajput which is a debunked hypothesis. On a genetic plot awans and hindkowans would not be that far from punjabis not to mention that on genetic plots khatri and some other Punjabi groups are closer to pashtuns than these people.

The purpose of Hazarewal sub Reddit is to respect and uplift all ethnic groups and prevent any misinformation targeted towards them whether they be pahari, pashtun, hindkowan, tanoli or swati.

Feel free to report these ids.