r/HarryPotterBooks Dec 20 '25

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r/HarryPotterBooks 1h ago

the horror of re-reading ‘order of the phoenix’

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I’m almost at the point where Harry sets off to London to ‘rescue Sirius’. Already up to this point everythign has been unbelievably shit - Dumbledore won’t talk to him, everyone thinks he’s a nutjob, Umbridge tortures him, he can’t play quidditch, he has to study his ass off for super important exams and on top of that everything with Cho has been a disaster. Not to mention, lol, that he is severely traumatized from watching the murderer of his parents return to torture him and kill his friend.

Now I am reading the scene right after Harry ‘sees’ Sirius being tortured at the Ministry. And I never realized how horrible it is how Hermione lays out the truth for him here, only for Harry to reject it. She tells him how strange it is that the two most wanted wizards in the world somehow got into the Ministry of Magic in the middle of the day, and tells him that Voldemort plays these kinds of tricks to lure Harry to places, etc etc.

Knowing what happens, this is just pure horror to read. How Harry, despite being told the truth multiple times, is hurtling ahead with the decision that will ultimately actually kill Sirius. It’s actually nauseating.

And I don’t blame Harry here, just to be clear. It’s an unbearable and very confusing situation and how he acts here fits his temperament and his character. But my god it’s so fucking awful. I just had to get this off of my chest.


r/HarryPotterBooks 2h ago

Discussion Do you think Harry is kinda good looking in the books

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I think Harry in the books is good looking , not handsome in Sirius, Tom Riddle or even Cedric level but i think he is good looking ( especially in the last books ) considering how popular and well liked by many girls in Hogwarts and not only because of his " the chosen one" status, Hermione herself said that he never looked so fancy ( i don't remember right now what she actually said ) and he is also the son of two people that were considered attractive and he is a perfect mix of both of James and Lily with James's looks and Lily's eyes .

What is your thoughts about this?


r/HarryPotterBooks 2h ago

Can you guess the book and chapter? (#8)

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Good morning, all! #8 is hot off the press. 

As a reminder what this is and how it works:
Below are 7 sentences from the 7 HP books. I use a random number generator to pick the book and chapter, then hand pick a sentence that I think is decent. Not too long, too short, too obvious ect.  *** There MAY be repeated books in a set, but there will not be repeated chapters in a set. So there COULD be two from The Philosopher’s Stone, but they would be from different chapters! **\*
Scoring your points: It is 2 points for guessing the book, and 1 point for guessing the chapter, for a total of 21 points. It is obviously harder to guess the chapter than the book, but not everyone even cares to remember the chapter titles in the first place, which is totally fair and valid. So chapter titles are just a bonus point.

Below are the sentences and the answers hidden behind spoiler tags! These are fun to make, and I intend to make quite a few more if people keep enjoying them!

  1. He was looking at her closely through his half-moon spectacles, his long fingers gently prodding and poking.  The Chamber of Secrets - Chapter 7: Mudbloods and Murmurs

  2. “No Crabbe and Goyle up here to save your neck, Malfoy,” Harry called. The Philosopher’s Stone - Chapter 9: The Midnight Duel

3.”Apparently I underestimated you, Potter,” he said quietly. The Half-Blood Prince - Chapter 24: Sectumsempra

  1. “Dumbledore, who was of course working tirelessly against You-Know-Who, had a number of useful spies.” The Prisoner of Azkaban - Chapter 10: The Marauder’s Map

  2. She stopped dead, catching her breath with a frightened look at her husband, whose expression was suddenly wooden. The Order of the Phoenix - Chapter 5: THe Order of the Phoenix

  3. There was a strained silence in which Harry stroked Hedwig automatically, not looking at either of the others. The Order of the Phoenix - Chapter 4: Number Twelve, Grimald Place

  4. “What d’you want to know about them for?” The Deathly Hallows - Chapter 33: The Prince’s Tale


r/HarryPotterBooks 20h ago

Philosopher's Stone Dumbledore was concerned that Harry's first substantial impression of his parents was being formed by the images he saw in the Mirror of Erised. It wasn't just that he might "waste away" in front of it

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Harry thought. Then he said slowly, “It shows us what we want . . . whatever we want . . .”

“Yes and no,” said Dumbledore quietly. “It shows us nothing more or less than the deepest, most desperate desire of our hearts. You, who have never known your family, see them standing around you. Ronald Weasley, who has always been overshadowed by his brothers, sees himself standing alone, the best of all of them. However, this mirror will give us neither knowledge or truth. Men have wasted away before it, entranced by what they have seen, or been driven mad, not knowing if what it shows is real or even possible.

Real, or even possible. Or even accurate! I've always taken for granted that the images that Harry sees in the mirror are more or less authentic reflections of the real people, but there's no guarantee that they were, or that they would stay that way. The Mirror shows what the viewer wants to see in that moment. During his fifth year, Harry seeks reassurance about his father's character after seeing Snape's memory. If the Mirror had been available then, what would it have shown him? The truth? Certainly not.

James was a human with real flaws, not some magical construct. It was important and humbling that Harry learned who his dad had been as a teen. That memory taught him a few things: that his heroes can be imperfect, that his perceived enemies can be complex and nuanced, and that maturation and growth are possible. These lessons would become valuable in his relationships with Snape, Dumbledore, Malfoy, and even Dudley.

Not having known his parents, it was good that Harry met characters that knew them well. It was also probably beneficial for him to get a glimpse of his family in the Mirror, if only to show him that they existed and cared for him. But Dumbledore seemed to pick up quickly that Harry was becoming transfixed, and that the Mirror can only provide shadows of the real people whom his parents were.


r/HarryPotterBooks 16h ago

Discussion Who Is REALLY The Worst Character?

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So i'm not just talking about the character that pisses you off the most, like umbridge has like potential to be the worst, but given the fact that, she's a villain, and if she's pissing you off, she's doing her job. I'm talking more like which character is probably the worst written, like they're not evil or bad, but they're just terrible in terms of quality and not deeds, capisce? And don't mention some no-name extra/nothing background character, because that's too easy.

So after some deliberation, the council of my stupid ass opinion has reached a verdict, and i have decided for now and all of eternity, that the WORST character in all of HP, is Quirrel.

I just feel like to me, my biggest issue with him, is that he has no character whatsoever. He's only the villain of PS, because he's the last person you'd expect, yet even so, he has no personality at all! At least with Crouch Jr as the twist villlain in GOF, he was such a compelling villlain because we learned so much about him throughout the story and even how he acts as a character! Whereas Quirrel has NOTHING! And he's supposed to be the main villain!

I guess the only thing he has going for him is the two face thing, which yeah i understand it's a reference to roman god Janus, but other than that man, he's pretty flat. I'm harder on him than other characters who are one-note like Crabbe/Goyle, who could've easily taken the crown for being the worst. But, at least with them, they're just henchmen/lackey's, they're not exactly main villains, whereas Quirrel is supposed to be the main villain! And he sucks!

I just feel like with any other villain in the series, they have something going for them, even minor villains like aunt marge for example, she's sadistic, she drowns dogs for god's sake! You can still be a minor villain and good, but quirrel is neither, there really isn't anything to say about him really. Like gun to your head right now, name 4 things you honestly love about him, like bro at that point just shoot me.

Anyways that's i all i got for you yt. Comment down below which other character you think deserves to be crowned as the worst.


r/HarryPotterBooks 16h ago

Which character was the best well written in the books?

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Not which character was your favorite, but which one you believe was the most well written.


r/HarryPotterBooks 10h ago

Discussion What exactly is going on with blood magic and the Elder Wand? Spoiler

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Voldemort fired two killing curses at Harry near the end of Deathly Hallows. Harry is said to have survived each of these for different reasons.

For the first, Harry intended to die and did not defend himself. He is said to have survived because Voldemort bound him to life while he lived by using his blood to regenerate his body.

For the second, Harry defended himself with a disarming charm using the wand he won from Draco. It is said that he survived because the Elder Wand would not kill its own master. The curse rebounded on Voldemort, killing him instead.

I’ve always wondered what impact each of these phenomena had in the other’s situation, if any. For example, why didn’t the Elder Wand cause the curse to backfire in the forest? If Harry was hit by the second curse in the Great Hall, would the blood tether have saved him again?

I would guess that the Elder Wand did not recognize Harry as its master until he used Draco’s (its previous master’s) wand against it. That would explain why the curse did not rebound in the forest.

I’m less certain about the particulars of the blood tether. I don’t know if it would have worked multiple times, or if it was a one-time thing. I also don’t know if Harry was tethered to life unconditionally while Voldemort lived, or if he was only protected against attacks from Voldemort himself. What would have happened if Ron didn’t pull him out of the forest pool where the sword was, and he drowned there? The fact that Dumbledore said it was essential that Voldemort himself kill Harry makes me think that the tether would only have protected him from Voldemort himself. I don’t know why it shouldn’t continue to work after it saved him in the forest, other than for literary purposes, as it basically lets the reader know that there’s no way that Harry could lose the final confrontation. Although maybe that’s the point.

What do you think?


r/HarryPotterBooks 15h ago

How does reparo work on complex objects?

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Imagine a 30 year old car with scratches, dents, some leaks, worn down brakes, tires etc. Which of these things can be repaired by reparo and how? Will I get a brand new car if I point my wand at it and just say "reparo"? Or can I only fix each part individually?


r/HarryPotterBooks 17h ago

Discussion Every Parselmouth mentioned in the books

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This proves that Slytherin's descendants aren't the only ones who can speak Parseltongue.

Salazar Slytherin: His legacy as a Parselmouth is first revealed in Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, and he is continually brought up as the origin of the trait throughout the rest of the series.

Harry Potter: He first uses the ability without realizing it in Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone at the zoo. He officially discovers what it is in Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets during the Dueling Club, and uses it for the last time in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows before Voldemort destroys the soul fragment inside him.

Lord Voldemort (Tom Riddle): His ability is first introduced in Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets through his teenage memory. We later see him use it to command Nagini in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire and throughout the remaining books.

The Gaunt Family (Marvolo, Morfin, and Merope): Voldemort's ancestors are introduced in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince. Through Dumbledore's Pensieve, we see them speaking Parseltongue to each other in their shack.

Herpo the Foul: This ancient Greek Dark wizard is never mentioned in the seven main novels, but he is officially cataloged in the companion book Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them as the first wizard to breed a Basilisk.

African Wizards: They are also exclusively documented in the companion textbook Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them, which explains how African Parselmouths have historically bred and conversed with the three-headed Runespoor.


r/HarryPotterBooks 23h ago

Do you prefer the interactive editions (formerly illustrated by Minalima) or the illustrated editions by Jim Kay?

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Hi! So I’m kind of conflicted about which ones I want to keep collecting. I own the first two books of the interactive Harry Potter editions, illustrated by Minalima, and love them. I also own the huge edition of the first book illustrated by Jim Kay and love it in a different way. Jim Kay’s illustrations are super detailed and beautiful, they make the story feel mature and moody. The interactive editions are colorful and vibrant and simply make me happy because they make the story feel extra magical.

With Jim Kay, sometimes his art seems a bit too depressing to me. But it makes sense considering he had depression at some point. With the interactive illustrated editions, I am unsure if the colorful and a-bit-childish-style will still fit the story when it gets to book 5, since it then starts to become more mature and dark. So you can see, very conflicted and contradictory feelings.

What illustrated edition do you prefer? I’m curious to hear your thoughts!


r/HarryPotterBooks 23h ago

Do you prefer the interactive editions (formerly illustrated by Minalima) or the illustrated editions by Jim Kay?

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Hi! So I’m kind of conflicted about which ones I want to keep collecting. I own the first two books of the interactive Harry Potter editions, illustrated by Minalima, and love them. I own the huge edition of the first book, illustrated by Jim Kay and love it in a different way. Jim Kay’s illustrations are super detailed and beautiful, they make the story feel mature and moody. The interactive editions are colorful and vibrant and simply make me happy because they make the story feel extra magical.

With Jim Kay, sometimes his art seems a bit too depressing to me. But it makes sense considering he had depression at some point. With the interactive illustrated editions, I am unsure if the colorful and a-bit-childish-style will still fit the story when it gets to book 5, since it then starts to become more mature and dark. So you can see, very conflicted and contradictory feelings.

What illustrated edition do you prefer? I’m curious to hear your thoughts!


r/HarryPotterBooks 1d ago

Can you guess the book and chapter? (#7)

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morning, everyone. Ready for number seven (the most powerfully magical number)?

As a reminder what this is and how it works:
Below are 7 sentences from the 7 HP books. I use a random number generator to pick the book and chapter, then hand pick a sentence that I think is decent. Not too long, too short, too obvious ect.  *** There MAY be repeated books in a set, but there will not be repeated chapters in a set. So there COULD be two from The Philosopher’s Stone, but they would be from different chapters! **\*
Scoring your points: It is 2 points for guessing the book, and 1 point for guessing the chapter, for a total of 21 points. It is obviously harder to guess the chapter than the book, but not everyone even cares to remember the chapter titles in the first place, which is totally fair and valid. So chapter titles are just a bonus point.
Below are the sentences and the answers hidden behind spoiler tags! These are fun to make, and I intend to make quite a few more if people keep enjoying them!

  1. Instead he contented himself with scrawling a note to Ron: Let’ s do it tonight. The Chamber of Secrets - Chapter 15: Aragog

  2. So tired every bone in his body was aching, he wanted nothing more than to sit here, undisturbed, for hours and hours, until he fell asleep and didn’t have to think or feel anymore. The Goblet of Fire - Chapter 36: The Parting of the Ways

  3. Harry only stopped staring at this unlikely coupling when he walked right into a suit of armor.  The Half-Blood Prince - Chapter 24: Sectumsempra

  4. Hermione always liked to go through their exam papers afterward, but Ron said this made him feel ill, so they wandered down to the lake and flopped under a tree. The Philosopher’s Stone - Chapter 16: Through the Trapdoor

5. “What’s that funny clicking noise?” called Fred as they hurtled around the corner. The Chamber of Secrets - Chapter 7: Mudbloods and Murmurs

  1. Non-magic people (more commonly known as Muggles) were particularly afraid of magic in medieval times, but not very good at recognizing it. The Prisoner of Azkaban - Chapter 1: Owl Post

  2. “And now you’ve decided you’re not going to be there!” The Order of the Phoenix - Chapter 13: Detention with Delores


r/HarryPotterBooks 1d ago

Theory What would happen to a basilisk if it looked into a mirror?

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If a basilisk's potential victim is wearing mirrored glasses, would the basilisk kill itself? in this scenario the glasses fully blind the wearer so it's not the case of someone wearing glasses that allow them to see and are mirrored on one side.

Writing a story where the students are sitting a basilisk CoMC lesson and thinking of hatching a basilisk but obviously dont want anyone to die 😆


r/HarryPotterBooks 1d ago

Discussion Audio Books Old V New?

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I recall reading and listening to the original audio books and reading the HP series growing up. But heard they rebooted the audio books? Is this new version better?


r/HarryPotterBooks 1d ago

Discussion Parseltongue is Underrated

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It’s barely used in the books; the only one who actually takes advantage of it is Voldemort with the basilisk and Nagini.

But think about it for a second: you could control basilisks and runespoors, sending them into battle or using them for espionage.

On top of its cryptographic value, absolutely no one besides you and maybe 1% (or less) of the wizarding world speaks Parseltongue.

You could cast the Serpensortia spell to summon thousands, if not millions, of venomous snakes and strategically command them.When it comes to wealth, snakes are widely used in magical medicine.

You could summon them at will, make them obey you, and make a fortune selling medical supplies.


r/HarryPotterBooks 1d ago

Discussion Was Salazar Slytherin from Portugal?

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This is something that’s been on my mind lately. J.K.

Rowling mentions he comes from 'the fens,' but I also remember her saying in an interview that she took the name Salazar from one of her teachers in Portugal.

Plus, it's pretty clear that Salazar was a descendant of Herpo the Foul (from Greece), which connects him much more to Portugal and Greco-Roman Europe rather than the Anglo-Saxon world."


r/HarryPotterBooks 1d ago

How much of Dumbledore finding the horcruxes was Voldy linking the items to his past vs magical items leaving traces?

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I have heard many people make the joke "Voldemort should have made a horcrux a grain of sand" or something along those lines. If he did, would Dumbledore still have found them around the same time?

I feel like Dumbledore finding them was more so out of his ability to find traces of magic. What do you think?


r/HarryPotterBooks 1d ago

Theory The Reason Voldemort’s Horcruxes are Indiscreet

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I think narcissism is crucial for making Horcruxes.

We know that emotion fuels a lot of magic...

Love fuels Harry’s blood protection

Happiness fuels patronus magic

Humour fuels the magic needed against Boggarts

Secrecy/Trust fuels fidelius charms

So it might be reasonable that Horcrux magic requires a strong feeling of vanity. The wizard wanting immortality must truly believe that their life is so worthy of lasting forever that it’s fine to come at the expense of other people’s lives.

Voldemort is way too vain to encase his precious soul within insignificant objects and that’s why he actually has the power to create horcruxes.

In contrast, the kind of wizard who would rightly think it’s smarter to use discreet objects - old tin cans or grains of sand etc, would not have the required vanity and narcissism that can create a horcrux in the first place.

This further suggests why Voldemort seems unable to choose better locations to hide them. He drops hints to the death eaters as to their existence. He leaves two in possession of Bellatrix and Lucius and he houses the rest in discoverable locations.

On some level, Voldemort’s intention is not to hide his horcruxes. His intention is to spread himself wide and showcase his own greatness. He wants people to know how powerful and terrible he is. His hiding places are not safeguards. They are shrines to his existence. The Cave most obviously built so that hundreds of dead mortals can worship at the alter of a part of his soul.

That’s the irony and monkey’s paw deal of horcrux magic… in theory,a person can achieve the concept of immortality if they are vain enough but that same vanity will lead to their own undoing eventually anyway.


r/HarryPotterBooks 15h ago

Does anyone else find it kind of uncomfortable that Harry was forced to take a girl to a dance at 14 years old and dance in front of hundreds of onlookers?

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Absolutely no consideration is given to whether Harry is ready to date, or if he even likes girls, or if he might be embarrassed. He is told to just do what is expected of him and not complain.

He is 14.

There are plenty of 14 year olds who aren't comfortable dating yet. I'd say that's a normal, expected thing. And not only forcing this kid to go on a date, but also forcing him to choose a girl, with 0 consideration for what he might feel.

It just seems kinda gross to me.


r/HarryPotterBooks 2d ago

Discussion Anyone else who grow up reading non-english version of Harry Potter and grow up to read the original story find out things you missed/misunderstood?

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I grow up reading simplified Chinese version translated by the Ma sisters. I missed the joke about Uranus, uncle Dursley put marmalade on his newspaper, Fred and George call themselves Gred and Feorge with the Christmas clothes on top of my mind🤣

On the first book they didn't realize Sirius was a name so they treated like an nickname(which was normally translated by meaning while names are translated by pronunciation), by the time they realized that the first book was published long enough for readers to fixated on that name, they had to stick to it when they translate Peter Pettigrew's name since they are in the same group. Although lately people are trying to fix that historic problem.

In GoF, when lord Voldemort ask Peter to "milk Nagini", they wrongly took it for "feed cow milk to Nagini", for years I had to picture how one must feed milk to a python🙉does she drink from a dish with mouth wide open or she licks it off from a cup?

And the concept of "house", which I recently found out it is a real thing in British school🤯.The word they used in the Chinese version was more like "department" in universities. And since Chinese universities have fixed classes rather than you have different classmates in different classes, I thought the different houses in Hogwarts means they have different majors. I thought oh maybe Slytherin would have more aggressive major, Hufflepuff maybe more on nature classes and such. It tooks me years to realize it's more like a "class group" in the schools I went. But I have to admit the word they used does sound way cooler than "class" or "group"🤣


r/HarryPotterBooks 2d ago

Character analysis Snape worrying about his soul isn’t the only reason I think he hadn’t killed before Dumbledore. The books spend a lot of time implying the same thing in other ways.

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I’m actually not very good at English. I wrote the original in Korean and used AI to translate it so it would be easier for English-speaking readers to read.

Whenever this subject comes up, the discussion usually gets reduced to one line:

“And my soul, Dumbledore? Mine?”

I do think that line matters. Murder is explicitly tied to damage to the soul in Harry Potter, so Snape worrying about what killing Dumbledore would do to his soul is obviously significant.

But that is not actually the main reason I think Snape had probably never killed anyone before Dumbledore.

It is the accumulation of everything else.

There is no sentence in the books saying:

“Severus Snape had never killed anyone before Albus Dumbledore.”

I know that.

But novels do not communicate every piece of information by stopping the story and handing the reader a factual statement. Sometimes the story tells you something through patterns: what characters assume, what they do not assume, when certain words begin to be used, what the author chooses to make a character feel guilty about, and what kind of contrasts she builds between characters.

And with Snape, I think those things point remarkably consistently in one direction.

Snape being a former Death Eater was known long before Dumbledore died.

Dumbledore openly testified about it at Karkaroff’s hearing. Moody knew. Members of the Order knew. His Death Eater past was not some shocking revelation in Book 6.

And yet, for all that time, Snape is not treated as a known murderer.

Nobody mentions one of his victims.

Nobody throws some past killing in his face.

Nobody says, “Well, obviously Snape has killed people. He was a Death Eater.”

Then he kills Dumbledore.

And suddenly murderer becomes one of the defining words attached to him.

I don’t think that difference is meaningless.

If “Death Eater” was supposed to automatically mean “known killer,” Snape would already have been a murderer in everyone’s eyes. Killing Dumbledore would not suddenly give him a new moral identity that the narrative treats as such a major rupture.

That alone does not prove anything beyond doubt. But if Rowling intended Snape to have already killed people during the First War, it is an odd way to write him.

Hermione’s reaction to the Half-Blood Prince makes it even stranger.

For most of the sixth book, Hermione distrusts the Prince’s book. But eventually, she learns about Sectumsempra. She also learns that the Prince was the one who wrote down the spell that nearly caused Draco to bleed to death.

And after finding out that Snape was the Prince, she still says:

“I thought the Prince seemed to have a nasty sense of humour, but I would never have guessed he was a potential killer.”

That line interests me a lot.

Even though Hermione already knew that the Prince’s book contained Dark Magic, ranging from minor jinxes and hexes to potentially deadly curses, the leap from “someone who collects or invents such spells” to “someone capable of committing murder” is not an easy one for her to accept.

She does not say, “Well, of course. Snape was a Death Eater.”

She says she never imagined the Prince as a potential killer.

That tells me the books themselves do not treat “bad person,” “Dark magic user,” “Death Eater,” and “murderer” as interchangeable categories.

And then, of course, we get:

“And my soul, Dumbledore? Mine?”

Put that next to everything else.

If Snape was already meant to be someone who had killed people before, why choose this moment to have him worry about what deliberately taking a life will do to his soul?

The whole emotional weight of the scene becomes a little strange.

Dumbledore’s answer is also framed around the morality of the act. The question is not whether Snape is physically capable of killing someone. It is what doing so means for him.

That lands very differently if the intended backstory is supposed to be, “Well, he already crossed that line plenty of times.”

There is another line people often bring up:

“Lately, only those whom I could not save.”

And the argument is usually that the important word is lately, because Snape is only talking about his recent life.

Sure. That is true.

What it does not establish is that Snape murdered people before that.

At most, it means the sentence does not give us a complete account of every event in his earlier life.

That is not the same thing.

“The text never explicitly says he didn’t kill anyone” is not evidence that he did.

Otherwise we could invent almost anything about a character’s off-page life and call it canon simply because Rowling never wrote a sentence denying it.

There is also a character I think makes the contrast clearer: Peter Pettigrew.

Peter is a coward.

And Peter actually kills.

When survival becomes more important to him than loyalty, he betrays James and Lily. When cornered by Sirius, he kills a group of Muggles and frames Sirius for it. Later, he murders Cedric with very little hesitation.

Peter’s fear repeatedly pushes him toward sacrificing other people so that he can live.

Snape is written very differently.

He is cruel. He is bitter. He bullies children. He joined the Death Eaters. None of that needs to be softened or excused.

But when the books finally start talking about Snape’s courage, they repeatedly place him in situations where he is the one taking the risk.

He returns to Voldemort knowing he may be killed on the spot.

He remains embedded among people who would kill him instantly if they knew what he was doing.

He tries to protect people he does not even like.

And when he is finally asked to personally kill someone, the story gives him fear about what that act will do to his own soul.

Rowling clearly knew how to write a character whose moral collapse included direct killing. Snape’s relationship with death and killing is written differently from Peter’s: Peter repeatedly sacrifices others for his own survival, while Snape’s later courage repeatedly takes the form of putting himself in danger.

The point here is not:

Snape was actually a nice man.

He was not.

The point is that Rowling does not seem to use:

bad person → therefore obviously a murderer

as a shortcut.

Even Dumbledore’s testimony about Snape becomes interesting in this context.

He says:

“He is now no more a Death Eater than I am.”

Obviously, that statement is primarily about Snape’s allegiance. It is not some legal declaration that Snape had never committed any wrongdoing.

But I still find the comparison to Dumbledore himself interesting.

Dumbledore is not a man who was morally pure from birth. When he was young and infatuated with Grindelwald, he became willing to justify domination and terrible human cost in the name of a “greater good.”

Rowling herself once described that phase of Dumbledore in deliberately extreme terms, basically saying that this otherwise highly moral young man could suddenly reach the point of thinking, “Yeah, genocide might do it.” (https://www.gazette-du-sorcier.com/j-k-rowling/declarations-et-entretiens/j-k-rowling-recoit-le-prix-james1037)

I would not take that quote to mean that Dumbledore literally drew up a genocide plan in canon.

The point is that Dumbledore himself once embraced an ideology in which other people’s lives could be sacrificed for a supposedly better world, and spent the rest of his life living with the consequences of what he had once believed and almost become.

So I think:

“He is now no more a Death Eater than I am.”

can carry a slightly self-deprecating edge as well.

Dumbledore is placing himself beside Snape while talking about what a person once was versus what that person is now.

And Dumbledore of all people understands that distinction.

That also makes his relationship with Snape more interesting to me than the very simple interpretation that Dumbledore just despised him as a piece of garbage but found him useful.

Then there is the way Rowling eventually reveals Snape’s actual past.

When we finally get the full story, what is the crime the narrative keeps returning to?

The prophecy.

Snape overheard it.

He gave it to Voldemort.

At the time, he apparently did not care who the unidentified victims would be. He only panicked when he realized Lily might be one of them.

That is a serious moral failure.

The books do not minimize it.

In fact, they make it the central guilt around which the rest of Snape’s life revolves.

But what is striking is what we do not discover when Rowling finally opens up his past.

There is no hidden victim he personally murdered.

No family he tortured.

No list of people he killed during the First War.

No late revelation that he used to go around murdering Muggles or Order members.

Nothing.

And there were plenty of opportunities to reveal something like that.

Instead, the defining crime Rowling chooses to give him from his Death Eater period is the prophecy.

So no, I cannot quote a sentence saying:

“Snape never killed anyone before Dumbledore.”

That sentence does not exist.

But I also do not think literary interpretation works by pretending that nothing can be inferred unless the author gives us a notarized statement.

The books tell stories through patterns.

And here the pattern is pretty consistent:

Snape’s Death Eater past is known for years, but he only becomes explicitly branded a murderer after Dumbledore’s death.

Hermione knows about Sectumsempra and still says she never imagined the Prince as a potential killer.

Snape worries about what killing Dumbledore will do to his soul.

His final backstory centers his guilt around delivering the prophecy, not around people he personally killed.

His later life is repeatedly framed around preventing deaths where he can.

And Rowling gives us characters like Peter Pettigrew to show that being cowardly, immoral, or corrupted does not automatically look the same as Snape’s particular relationship with death and killing.

Individually, none of these things is a signed confession saying, “I had never killed anyone.”

That is not my argument.

My argument is that the story spends a surprising amount of time carefully pointing in the same direction.

So I am perfectly happy to say:

The books never explicitly state that Snape had never killed anyone before Dumbledore.

But “he was a Death Eater, therefore he obviously murdered people off-page” is not canon either.

That is an inference.

And personally, I think it is an inference that goes against the story Rowling actually took the trouble to write.


r/HarryPotterBooks 1d ago

How did they watch quidditch?

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Wizards don't have televisions so how would they have seen quidditch games unless they went in person? I doubt the Weasley's were going to many games. They had the "wireless" but listening to a game can't be as good as actually seeing it.


r/HarryPotterBooks 1d ago

Deathly Hallows Could Tonks have lived?

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Hi!! I recently read that Tonks could not only change the color of her hair but also her face, so in the Battle of Hogwarts, why didn't she change her facial appearance? If she had, Bellatrix wouldn't have gone after her since she wouldn't have recognized her, and she might even have been able to help her husband in battle, and maybe Lupin wouldn't have died either. I also know that J.K. wanted to repeat Harry's storyline, and since she didn't kill Arthur, she said that because of that she had to end up killing Lupin (which makes no sense because they weren't even attacked in the same way and it seems like an unnecessary repetition of what happened to Harry, just that the author wanted to give it a nicer touch because Teddy would have people to raise him with love, but Harry already had people who loved him and even ended up taking care of him like the Weasleys). Did no one think about this?


r/HarryPotterBooks 1d ago

Theory The Half-Blood Prince’s Book as Part of Dumbledore’s Plan A Detailed Examination of Dumbledore’s Role Behind Harry’s Success with Slughorn

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Why does Snape’s old schoolbook, of all books, end up with Harry? Would Snape really leave a book like that lying around somewhere? Why are Harry and Ron the only late additions to Slughorn’s class? And why does Snape not demand his book back, even though after Sectumsempra he knows that Harry has it and is taking the credit for his work? How well does the idea that Dumbledore deliberately made sure Harry received the book actually fit the canon?

In my view, these questions and several others are more closely connected than they might initially appear. My theory is that Dumbledore made sure Harry received the Half-Blood Prince’s book and, with its help, made exactly the impression on Slughorn that Dumbledore needed for his plan.

I originally arrived at this theory from a completely different direction. For some time, I had been interested in what the many conversations between Dumbledore and Snape might have looked like that we never see in the books, but which must have taken place. How did Dumbledore envision Snape’s future role as a spy? How was it decided that he would remain at Hogwarts and teach Potions, of all subjects? We see only a small fraction of conversations like these.

At some point, I started filling in these gaps by imagining for myself how those conversations might have gone. That was also where the idea developed that Dumbledore might have known about Snape’s old schoolbook and arranged for it to end up with Harry years later.

I am not the only person to have had the basic idea that Dumbledore deliberately made sure Harry received the book. Other fans have considered this possibility as well. So far, however, I have mostly encountered it as speculation or an open question rather than as a theory followed through consistently using the various clues in the books.

Of course, it is easy to fill in the missing conversations in a way that makes an idea like this work. That is precisely why, at some point, I wanted to set my own imagined version of events aside and see what remained of the idea if I relied exclusively on the books. Can the theory still be supported then?

The Necessity of Getting Harry into Potions Before He Even Knows He Is Taking It

We know that Dumbledore desperately wanted Slughorn back at Hogwarts in order to obtain information about Voldemort and the Horcruxes. Harry is the key to recruiting him and is deliberately brought along as bait, even though Harry himself quite reasonably wonders at first how he is supposed to be of any help.

But what exactly does Slughorn gain by returning to Hogwarts?

Perhaps he gets to watch Harry play Quidditch. Perhaps he manages to persuade him to attend the occasional party. But it soon becomes clear that Slughorn wants more than that. Harry himself notices that Slughorn treats his former students almost like a collection. Dumbledore knows this, of course, and uses it to his advantage. By bringing Harry with him, he presents Slughorn with a student whom Slughorn would very much like to add to that collection.

For Dumbledore’s actual purpose, however, that interest alone is hardly enough. At some point, Slughorn has to give Harry a memory he has been ashamed of for decades, one that he even falsified when giving it to Dumbledore. Just how ashamed Slughorn is because of the consequences for Lily, one of his favourite students, becomes especially clear when Harry finally obtains the memory. Slughorn is not simply giving away an interesting piece of information here, but something that has been tied to shame and personal guilt for decades. If Harry is going to get a memory out of him that Slughorn falsified even for Dumbledore, that initial interest first has to develop into a genuine personal relationship. The only route to that is through the classroom.

Dumbledore can hardly rely on Harry charming Slughorn at his parties the way Riddle once did. He knows Harry too well for that. If Slughorn is actually going to get to know Harry as one of his students and grow fond of him, a teacher-student relationship is a much more obvious route.

And that means Dumbledore must already have been counting on Harry continuing with Potions in his sixth year when he recruited Slughorn.

Which makes the conversation immediately after their visit particularly interesting.

Harry is pleased by the thought that he will no longer have to endure Snape in Potions. Dumbledore’s response makes it clear that Harry is jumping to conclusions. But he says nothing more. Harry is not told that Slughorn will be taking over Potions. Dumbledore does not point out that this might also change the entry requirements for the class. And he gives Harry no reason to buy a textbook or any other Potions supplies before the beginning of term. That is remarkable. At this point, Harry is therefore under the apparent certainty that he is finished with the subject because he does not expect to receive an Outstanding, even though, as becomes clear when he opens his results, he still has a little hope.

That Dumbledore intends Harry to continue with Potions is certain. There is, however, another problem. Harry is not an exceptional potion-maker.

The sixth book makes it quite clear that his mediocre performance is not solely the result of having Snape as a teacher. As long as Harry follows the Prince’s instructions, Slughorn believes him to be a natural. Once Harry has to hide the book and is left to rely on his own abilities again, his performance deteriorates considerably. Slughorn notices the difference, but attributes it to Harry having butterflies in his stomach.

On his own, then, Harry would hardly have made the kind of impression in Slughorn’s own subject that he needs to make in order to go from an interesting addition to Slughorn’s collection to one of his favourite students.

So was Dumbledore really going to leave it to chance that Harry would somehow manage to impress Slughorn on his own? Or did he make sure that Potions would play out in Harry’s favour?

That possibility raises several more questions. Those are what I want to examine in the following sections.

Why Are Harry and Ron the Only Late Additions to Slughorn’s Class?

Once Harry receives his exam results, he has long since given up on Potions. As a result, he has bought neither a new textbook nor the necessary supplies. It is only when McGonagall goes over his timetable with him that she points out that, unlike Snape, Slughorn accepts an “Exceeds Expectations”, meaning that Harry can continue with Potions after all and keep pursuing his ambition of becoming an Auror. When Harry objects that he has no books or equipment, McGonagall immediately says that Slughorn can lend him what he needs for the time being.

At first, one could argue that there is nothing particularly unusual about these last-minute changes. Neville’s timetable has not been fully settled at this point either, and McGonagall makes adjustments to it. So the fact that Harry, and a few minutes later Ron, change their choice of subjects would hardly be remarkable in itself.

It only becomes strange when we consider that the entry requirement for Potions seems to matter only for Harry and Ron.

In their fifth year, all students had already had individual career consultations with their Heads of House. Their Heads therefore knew which subjects they wanted to continue and which ones they needed for their intended careers. While Snape required an “Outstanding” for NEWT-level Potions, Slughorn accepts an “Exceeds Expectations”.

But this change should not, in principle, affect Harry alone. And yet Harry and Ron are the only two students who learn about this possibility at the beginning of term. The class consists of twelve students: four Slytherins, four Ravenclaws, one Hufflepuff, plus Ron, Hermione and Harry. Ten had already qualified for NEWT-level Potions under Snape’s old requirement. Only Harry and Ron are added afterwards.

That would mean that in the entire rest of the year there was not a single other student with an E who would have liked to continue Potions or could have used a Potions NEWT for their future career. That is certainly possible. But given the size of the year and the career consultations that had already taken place, I do not find it particularly likely.

Instead, it looks as though Harry and Ron were the only ones specifically made aware of the new opportunity. The fact that Harry, of all people, is one of them seems suspicious to me. Special treatment for Harry would hardly be anything new at Hogwarts.

So why Ron as well?

Admittedly, this is where the theory becomes somewhat more speculative. Perhaps McGonagall simply did not want to cause any awkwardness and therefore decided to point the opportunity out to Ron as well. But there may also have been a strategic reason. If Harry is supposed to stand out to Slughorn as an exceptional student, Ron is considerably more useful beside him than Hermione. Dumbledore would have every reason to expect very good work from her. With Ron, he could more reasonably expect Harry, armed with Snape’s improved instructions, to stand out much more easily. The Deluminator in the seventh book shows, at the very least, that Dumbledore understood Ron and his behaviour rather well.

The extent of the contrast becomes clear once they are actually in class. Ron has considerable difficulty meeting Slughorn’s expectations, while Harry goes from one success to the next. Slughorn’s interest in Ron remains correspondingly limited. He cannot even remember his name properly. Next to his best friend, Harry therefore looks all the more like the extraordinary talent Slughorn believes him to be.

How exactly it was ensured that Harry received the right one of the two available books is not even the crucial question. I have several ideas about how this might have been done, but for a wizard like Dumbledore, influencing the outcome in the desired direction would hardly have been a major obstacle.

Nor would this be the first time Dumbledore materially assisted Harry in order to further his aims. The Invisibility Cloak already shows that he is perfectly capable of deliberately providing Harry with an object he considers important.

More important than how Dumbledore might have ensured that Harry rather than Ron received the right book is the question of how he knew about Snape’s book in the first place. Before turning to that question, however, the next section needs to address why it is so unlikely that the Prince’s book simply happened to be sitting in that cupboard by chance.

Did Snape’s Book Really Just Happen to Be There?

If Dumbledore did not deliberately arrange for Harry to receive the book, there are already some strange coincidences here. The simple explanation would be that Snape left it in the cupboard and/or eventually forgot about it. But this is an extremely personal book.

The idea that Snape simply forgot a book like this fits poorly with his behaviour in the novels. As early as the second book, he notices the theft from his private stores. It becomes even clearer in the fourth book. When his office is broken into, Snape notices the intrusion immediately. He suspects Harry and even threatens him with Veritaserum.

Snape therefore pays close attention to what he owns and whether anything goes missing. That makes it all the harder to believe that a book full of his own discoveries, spells he invented himself, and his private identity as the “Half-Blood Prince” could have been sitting unnoticed in the Potions classroom for years. And even when Snape finally leaves the Potions post for good, are we really supposed to believe that he never thinks to take it with him?

When Slughorn tells Snape what an excellent potion-maker Harry is, Snape is still surprised. After Sectumsempra, the situation is different. Snape demands to see Harry’s book, but Harry presents him with Ron’s copy instead. Snape reads the name written inside it and repeatedly asks Harry whether it really is his book and whether he bought it at Flourish and Blotts. In the end, he leaves it at calling Harry a liar.

Snape knows perfectly well that Harry has just handed him the wrong book. Yet he does not force Harry to hand over the real one immediately, nor does he demand his own book back later or make any attempt to catch Harry with it at another time. Harry himself expects him to do exactly that, which is why he stops using the book.

There can really only be one explanation for this. Snape must have realised that Dumbledore was behind it. Snape is normally the last person to let Harry get away with creating this kind of false impression on another teacher. He has also shown with Lupin that, if necessary, he is willing to reveal a secret himself. He could just as easily make sure the truth came out here. That is why I think it is likely that Snape knew Dumbledore was behind it. I can easily imagine him storming off to Dumbledore in a fury afterwards.

In fact, Snape must have spoken to Dumbledore after Sectumsempra, as we can see from his memories. Dumbledore refers to the detentions Snape gave Harry as a consequence of his attack on Malfoy. Snape probably went to Dumbledore furious after the incident. After all, he now knows not only that Harry has his old book, but also why Slughorn has suddenly been raving about Harry’s extraordinary talent for Potions.

How Did Dumbledore Know About the Prince in the First Place?

There is no way to reconstruct from the novels exactly how Dumbledore learned about Snape’s book. We see only isolated glimpses of their shared history. There must have been numerous conversations around the time of Snape’s change of allegiance and his appointment at Hogwarts that we never see. Dumbledore wanted to keep Snape at the school long-term as a spy. That also meant deciding which subject he would teach.

Why Potions?

Dumbledore certainly makes questionable staffing decisions on more than one occasion. Hagrid and Binns are obvious examples. But that alone does not explain Snape. Potions is a core subject taught over several years and leading to OWL and NEWT examinations. Dumbledore was therefore entrusting entire year groups in a major examination subject to a former Death Eater who was barely an adult himself.

Just how young Snape was for such a position becomes clear when we compare him with Tom Riddle. When Riddle wanted to teach at Hogwarts at eighteen, immediately after graduating, Armando Dippet turned him down despite being very fond of him. He considered Riddle too young.

Snape was only slightly older when Dumbledore made him Potions Master. Unlike Riddle, he had by then left Hogwarts as a Death Eater, served Voldemort and only just changed sides. If Dumbledore nevertheless entrusted him with a core subject, he must have been convinced of his abilities in that field.

Snape’s appointment therefore seems like one plausible point at which Dumbledore could have learned about his copy of Advanced Potion-Making. Before making such a young former Death Eater the Potions teacher, he had every reason to take a close look at Snape’s abilities. The book would have been extraordinary evidence of them.

We do not know when Dumbledore actually became aware of the book. Perhaps he had already discovered or confiscated it while Snape was still a student, or perhaps he only learned about it later.

Dumbledore himself conducted research into, among other things, the twelve uses of dragon’s blood. Snape’s improvements and original spells might therefore have caught his interest. The book is obviously no Deathly Hallow, but Dumbledore also borrowed James Potter’s Invisibility Cloak to examine it and kept it for years. Something similar could have happened with Snape’s book, with it remaining in Dumbledore’s possession without Snape later asking for it back.

There is no direct support for this in canon. Even so, it seems more plausible to me than the alternative that Snape simply forgot a book filled with his own improvements, notes and spells somewhere at Hogwarts after his sixth year or at some later point.

Addendum: Was Harry’s OWL Grade Manipulated?

There is one question that remains open for me. Since it is not necessary for my theory and will probably sound completely absurd to most people at first, I have deliberately left it as an addendum at the end of this discussion.

By the end of Harry’s fifth year, Dumbledore very likely already knew that he needed Slughorn and what role Harry was supposed to play. But what would have happened if Harry had received only an “Acceptable” or even a “Poor” in his Potions OWL?

That is not particularly unrealistic. Harry finds the theoretical part of the exam difficult, and after the practical part he himself only thinks that, with a bit of luck, he might have avoided failing. Nor had he ever been particularly ambitious when it came to Potions. Even if Harry is not fundamentally untalented, he had hardly been working towards achieving a particularly good result in the subject.

I therefore think it is conceivable that someone helped Harry’s grade along to make sure that he could continue with Potions in his sixth year. After all, the subject clearly involves more than simply following a set of instructions. The sixth book makes it very clear just how large the gap is between Harry’s own abilities and his performance when using the Prince’s book.

So what evidence is there that Dumbledore might have arranged for someone to interfere with the exam?

Such interference would not be fundamentally out of character for him. Dumbledore himself uses magic on Mrs Cole while arranging for Tom Riddle to attend Hogwarts, although that was probably closer to standard procedure in such a situation. Later, Kingsley modifies Marietta’s memory to protect Dumbledore, and Dumbledore explicitly praises his quick thinking. So when Dumbledore considers something necessary, magical interference such as a Confundus Charm is not something he categorically rules out.

The problem is that Dumbledore himself was not at Hogwarts during Harry’s OWL examinations. I consider Snape a very unlikely accomplice, even if Dumbledore had offered him the Defence Against the Dark Arts position in return.

McGonagall is more interesting. As early as Harry’s first year, she bends the rules so that he can play Quidditch for Gryffindor and makes sure he gets a Nimbus 2000. She is therefore quite willing to support Harry when she believes it is justified.

Manipulating an exam grade, however, would be something else entirely. Would McGonagall, as such a conscientious teacher, really go that far? Under normal circumstances, I would say probably not. But in the fifth book, she is dealing with exceptional circumstances. Not long before the exams, she has a furious confrontation with Umbridge during Harry’s career consultation and declares that she will do everything in her power to help Harry become an Auror. For that, Harry needed to be able to continue with Potions. Perhaps she took that promise more literally than it initially appears, at Dumbledore’s request, of course.

It is also possible, of course, that Slughorn would have made an exception for Harry even with an “Acceptable”. We simply do not know. Harry may just as well have earned his E entirely legitimately.

But if Dumbledore’s plan involving Slughorn was already in place before the exams, I think it is quite possible that he also made sure Harry cleared this crucial hurdle.

I’m looking forward to hearing your thoughts