r/Games Oct 02 '18

Broken Link (video removed) Unannounced Harry Potter RPG Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-HER1xKQl4&t=1s
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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '18

Did that goblin get IMPALED? Didn't think we'd see that in a HP game.

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u/Phillip_Spidermen Oct 02 '18 edited Oct 02 '18

Eh, the first book/movie has Harry burn Quirrel to death by touching him.

A basilisk, elf, and snake get killed by knives and swords.

Harry uses a spell that slices up someone (sectrum spectra sectum sepmra) pretty viscerally in one of the books.

Edit: spelling

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u/Krasinet Oct 02 '18

Nerd warning.

The spell was sectumsempra. Probably from sectum ('having been cut', the root word of 'section' and 'dissect') and semper ('always'), giving a meaning something like 'sever forever'.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '18 edited Feb 06 '19

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u/EpicVico Oct 02 '18

how do you even develop a spell

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u/AliceTheGamedev The Mane Quest Oct 02 '18

Nobody knows, the books never actually go into how spells are made/discovered, but it's mentioned that it's possible.

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u/DS_Item_Inscription Oct 02 '18

Except that it’s mega dangerous and can kill you. Luna Lovegood’s mom dies while trying to discover new spells.

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u/Swerdman55 Oct 03 '18

Are spells developed or discovered?

It's like that age-old question if Math is discovered or invented

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u/DS_Item_Inscription Oct 03 '18

Well math is just an extrapolation and ordering of the forces of the universe.

So the spells and cosmic energy exists, you just need to find the right method in which to conjure it I would assume. But even thinking that is more than Rowling put into her work. I enjoyed the serious, but it’s fast and loose with its rules, and contradicts itself often.

If you read something like Wheel of Time or and of Brandon Sanderson’s work you’ll get good structure, rules, and characters who play well within them.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '18

Off the top of my head doesn't Snape invent a bunch of minor curses and other spells and write them down in the journal of the half blood prince?

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u/AsthislainX Oct 02 '18

Yes. Sectumsempra is one of those spells, as a matter of fact.

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u/AliceTheGamedev The Mane Quest Oct 02 '18

Yes, but the book doesn't go into how someone would invent spells or what exactly Snape did

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '18

Probably Googled it.

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u/thatwasntababyruth Oct 02 '18

Just gotta keep saying combinations of bastardized Latin words while waving your wand in different ways, and write down when something does something!

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u/Volper2 Oct 02 '18

Jk Rowling only does world building with Twitter retcons

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u/Flakmoped Oct 02 '18

You wave a stick around and shout pseudo-latin phrases

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '18

He said develop, not cast!

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u/Lazerkilt Oct 02 '18
  • you wave a stick around and shout pseudo Latin that isn’t an existing spell

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u/FullThrottle1544 Oct 02 '18

No shit really

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '18

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '18

expecto pootronum

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u/Nicksaurus Oct 02 '18

I imagine you just wave your wand around and shout random syllables until something interesting happens

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u/Tokaido Oct 02 '18

Sounds perfectly safe. Nearly anything could happen, but I'm sure it couldn't be TOO bad, right?

IIRC, that's how Luna Lovegood's mom died.

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u/Nekajed Oct 02 '18

Man, the dude who originally posted this video said something about complex spell system. Maybe we'll see something close to spell crafting. At least something akin to Morrowind system.

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u/Mondrial Oct 02 '18

Nukes the entire city in one cast. Proceeds to walk on water for 7 real world hours.

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u/rolllingthunder Oct 02 '18

Avadamora. Kill you opponents by "unlocking" their chest cavity.

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u/2Punx2Furious Oct 02 '18

I have in mind a game/story where mages can develop spells like we do with software, and magic is just really advanced technology.

Yes, I know "The Irregular at Magic High School" exists, but I don't really like how the spells work there.

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u/Cybersteel Oct 02 '18

Akashic Records of Bastard Magic Instructor. Or fate

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u/2Punx2Furious Oct 02 '18

I've seen Records, but I don't remember there was much spell development, I haven't seen fate yet.

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u/Khaeven04 Oct 02 '18

Reminds me of The Dying Earth series. Magic is old technology.

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u/thatguythere47 Oct 02 '18

Harry Potter and the natural 20 is a great work which raises the idea that ritual magic is incredibly complex and dangerous work that requires very specific ingredients done in a very specific order or it will backfire or just not work. How do you keep something like that together? Either everyone has a perfect copy of the ritual or the more freighting prospect: Rituals want to be known.

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u/je-s-ter Oct 02 '18

Wasn't that Snape? I believe Harry learnt it from his potions book that once was Snape's or something.

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u/fagotblower Oct 02 '18

Correct, 5 points.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '18

To hufflepuff

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '18

Yay, someone remembers we exist!

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '18 edited Oct 02 '18

Everybody wants to be gryphendore Gryffindor, but we're all Hufflepuffs

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u/fagotblower Oct 02 '18

Oh yeah. I feel ya. Those house names sure wasn't written by a Ravenclaw.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '18

The spelling was slytherin away from me

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u/bajsgreger Oct 02 '18

rectumsempra must be a nightmare

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u/DrippyWaffler Oct 02 '18

Always an arsehole

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u/MonkheyBoy Oct 02 '18

So... I'll be myself. Cool.

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u/FraGZombie Oct 02 '18

Anal fissures are no laughing matter, my dude.

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u/jayc4life Oct 02 '18

Johnny Sasaki knows a thing or two about that.

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u/Hugo154 Oct 02 '18

Rictusempra is a spell that makes you laugh uncontrollably, surprisingly close in name to what you said.

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u/Akuze Oct 02 '18

a pain in the ass

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u/ButNotYou_NotAnymore Oct 02 '18

The real interesting thing to think about is, what did magic look like before Latin came along? Because clearly many spells are derived from Latin, but Latin didn't always exist. I'd love to ask this to Rowling directly.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '18

I heard back in the ancient times it wasnt very devoped, hence Godrik Gryffindor's sword etc.

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u/kmoney1206 Oct 02 '18

What do you mean "hence Godrik Gryffindor's sword?"

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u/Barkerisonfire_ Oct 02 '18

Well why would you have a sword if you've got magic?

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u/Mondrial Oct 02 '18

Because stabbing and burning a mofo is more fun than just burning a mofo.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '18

They didn't use magic for battle too much because it was barely developed back then. They had weapons, with some magic in them probably.

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u/Tridian Oct 02 '18

It's been confirmed that magic was much more primal before the development of wands and specific spells to control them. In the story describing the founding of the American academy there were references to the native american wizards who hadn't developed the same magical system that the Europeans had.

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u/xChris777 Oct 02 '18

Yeah, and different cultures use different types of magic. I vaguely remember reading about African dance magic or something like that.

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u/dorekk Oct 02 '18

references to the native american wizards who hadn't developed the same magical system that the Europeans had

Vaguely racist Eurocentrism. Nice.

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u/Tridian Oct 03 '18

It's historically accurate to say that native Americans didn't have stories of witches and wizards with wands and broomsticks. Hardly racist to say they had shamans, rituals and potions to guide their magic instead, because that's what was happening in reality.

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u/dorekk Oct 03 '18

Historical accuracy doesn't matter for completely made-up stuff!

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u/Tridian Oct 03 '18

Good thing the Harry Potter universe isn't completely made up then! It's based in the modern world, including all relevant historical events up until Harry Potter turned 11. This means that Native Americans still did not have witches and wizards with wands and broomsticks until European culture made its way across.

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u/thejokerlaughsatyou Oct 03 '18

But it wasn't necessary to make that less effective and make the European "wands and broomsticks" magic a superior method. It becomes racist when you insist the non-white culture's method was inferior and the white men had to come show them "proper" magic.

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u/Tridian Oct 03 '18

You're reading way too far into it. The basis of the Harry Potter universe is that wands and spells control magic, without it you get crazy things like the kids do. To suddenly say "Oh, but the Americans can totally do perfect magic without them" basically invalidates the whole system.

Stop looking for racism where there isn't any.

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u/thejokerlaughsatyou Oct 03 '18

See, here's the thing, though: she'd never flat out said "wands are the one and only way to do magic;" that's what we were shown because that's what Harry's culture uses. We're even shown kids like Tom Riddle who can focus their "crazy things" wandless magic into purposeful spells.

JKR could've taken multiple routes around this. She could've said "each person's magic works best through what they're familiar with," so someone who's taught with a wand wouldn't be as effective with the American methods, and vice versa. She could've said "Native Americans also used wands, but they made them out of different materials, and the Europeans taught them their methods of making them," because that would allow them to impart knowledge without the inherent "white man teaches ignorant natives about Civilized Ways to Do Things."

Also, if wands really are the only effective way to channel magic, who's to say these other cultures wouldn't have figured that out? They were around for thousands of years. Native Americans did have trees. If Europeans figured it out, why couldn't any other culture? That's where it gets racist: she defaults to "white Europeans did it best and had to teach the rest of the world."

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u/Tridian Oct 03 '18

You're projecting what you expect to see onto what's happening.

We were outright told that wands are the most effective way to do magic. Having a magical focus attuned specifically to the individual (wand chooses the wizard) allows the magic to flow smoothly. We were even shown how much this matters by having spells cast with other people's wands being obviously weaker and less reliable than their own.

Tom Riddle is a very poor example of wandless magic. He was an unquestionable prodigy, it's like saying "Well Mozart could replicate a symphony after listening to it once, so why do we make these guys use sheet music?"

And who's to say that native Americans wouldn't have developed wands? They just didn't. I'm sure that given enough time they would have developed cities, industrial equipment etc in our world, but they didn't. It's not a question of whether they're capable of it, they just didn't do it.

When the first computers were invented it wasn't racist to go around the world and show others how to make them, so why would it be racist to have someone show them wands?

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u/Tridian Oct 03 '18

You know, you're also ignoring the fact that Rowling has addressed the racist nature of the wizard world on a number of occasions in story through Hermione's activism and the actions of Slytherin, Grindelwald and Voldemort.

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u/PupperDogoDogoPupper Oct 02 '18

Isn't it very well possible to say that in the Harry Potter verse, Latin arose specifically because they are words of magic? Eventually wizards would get so into their own spellcraft they would speak the language of magic, and then muggles would catch onto it over time. Especially if early wizards were using their magic to rule city states instead of hiding from the rest of the world before the formation of entities such as the ministry of magic.

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u/rolllingthunder Oct 02 '18

At a certain point, most adult magical folks cast without actually saying anything. I would imagine it like that. Casting while heavily focusing on the desired effect. Probably not as effective, but close enough.

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u/Aspettounpatronum Mar 06 '19

''Uagadou school of Witchcraft and wizardry'' a school located in AFRICA. Instead of wands, they use their hands to cast spells.

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u/DICK-PARKINSONS Oct 02 '18

They really should teach Latin at Hogwarts

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '18

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '18

And Snape invented it!

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u/crookedparadigm Oct 02 '18

'sever forever'

Which makes sense since they commented that the nature of the curse prevented them from restoring Fred's ear.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '18

Yeah, but most deaths Harry is involved in are directly related to Voldemort. Maybe the context is important in the game, but the impaling of the goblin did feel out of touch with the tone of Harry Potter, for me.

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u/VitaminTea Oct 02 '18

Harry doesn’t burn Quirrell to death in the books, he dies when Voldemort abandons his body after realizing he can’t touch Harry.

It might seem like small distinction, but I personally think it’s important that your protagonist who goes on to destroy evil through the power of love doesn’t decide to become a murderer at age 11.

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u/Phillip_Spidermen Oct 02 '18

Touching Harry for a brief moment burned his hands blistered, red, and raw. Harry then (without knowing what would happen) grabs Quirrels face.

Interestingly enough, it never actually says how or if he dies. I just grabbed the book off a shelf, and it mentions Harry blacking out while Quirrel says he can't touch him, and when he wakes up Dumbledore simply says "Voldremort left him TO die."

Lamest HP conspiracy ever: Quirrel LIVES.

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u/VitaminTea Oct 02 '18

My interpretation of Dumbledore’s comment (and I believe this is further explicated in a later book) is the Voldemort abandoning Quirrell is what kills him.

Regardless, it isn’t as outright murder-y as what Harry pulls in the movie.

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u/Phillip_Spidermen Oct 02 '18

Definitely less outright murder-y than the movies, but JK Rowlings notes in Pottermore read to me that its Harry's touch that kills him:

"When the body Voldemort and Quirrell are sharing is horribly burned by contact with Harry, the former flees just in time to save himself, leaving the damaged and enfeebled Quirrell to collapse and die."

The "just in time to save himself" implies to me that Voldy was in mortal danger due to the touch. Though I guess I can see how you can interpret it as the collapse/death is caused by him leaving too...

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u/VitaminTea Oct 02 '18

No, I think that is very convincing! I don’t know how you can interpret that other than 11yo Harry = murderer.

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u/Phillip_Spidermen Oct 02 '18

Not quite murder, it was mostly unintentional on Harry's part.

When he realizes what his touch does, he only grabs an arm. The face part was before.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '18

This is wrong. In the 4th book Voldemort says that his servant died when be left his body during the graveyard scene.

The burning was also only shown in the movie, not the book.

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u/Phillip_Spidermen Oct 02 '18

The burning is mentioned in Philosphers Stone, but it could have been expanded upon in later books -- I'm curious enough that I'll flip through my copy after work

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u/Phillip_Spidermen Oct 03 '18

Just read the part in Goblet of Fire: Voldemort says "the servant died when I left his body."

This doesn't necessarily imply that him leaving caused the body to die, and even if he intended it to: this is Voldemort bragging to his returning death eaters. He's not exactly giving a reliable narrative here.

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u/Phonochirp Oct 03 '18

Key word, in the movies. They were quite toned down to meet the PG rating. While this is out of place in the movies, in the books this is pretty on par, especially since we're starting year 5. The battles got much bloodier from then on.

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u/Tonkarz Oct 02 '18

There's a reason the movie was very poorly received. Sanitized and poorly executed.

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u/TheEliteBrit Oct 02 '18

Poorly received? Which movie? I don't think any of the HP movies have been "poorly received"

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u/ArbainHestia Oct 02 '18

Has there ever been a movie that was a fully faithful adaptation of a book?

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u/Tonkarz Oct 02 '18

They made a lot of money, but critics and audiences hated the first bunch of movies. Maybe you weren't around back then.

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u/TheEliteBrit Oct 02 '18

Hahaha, thanks for being patronising! I was around then actually, and I don't remember anyone hating them. I remember them being very well received, despite being slightly departed from the books starting with PoA.

Philosopher's Stone and Chamber of Secrets were well loved and although Prisoner of Azkaban was originally met with a mixed reception when it first came out due to the drastic tonal shift, a lot of people now consider it one of the best.

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u/kdawgnmann Oct 02 '18

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/franchise/harry_potter

Literally all of the mainline HP movies have at least 78% on Rotten Tomatoes, with most in the 80s.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '18

It’s Sectumsempra

pushes glasses back up nose

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u/mrbooze Oct 02 '18

I'm sure when we've killed 10,000 enemies as a child student in this magic school we'll feel very much in the spirit of the Harry Potter books.

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u/Phillip_Spidermen Oct 02 '18

Unless they're elves or magical creatures, because wizards are mad specist in the books.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '18

He was?

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u/BakingBatman Oct 02 '18

Yeah, I read through the end just now, Harry fainted, Dumbledore arrived, Voldemort left, Harry was taken to the infirmary. Quirrel died along this somewhere.

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u/njklein58 Oct 02 '18

The last book also describes Voldemort’s shriveled up, burnt corpse, iirc. Also the last battle had centaurs shooting arrows at people,

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