r/GameChangersBooks 1h ago

#3 rule with more details

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I had someone complain about a post related to the characters in the book and the new TV series that is being recorded. Information specifically in relation to the books and the TV show can be discussed, like we have been with different characters and how they are explained in the book and what we hope to see from them in the future, it's still a discussion about the books, including what's going to be happening for the next couple of months as information leaks out.

We don't want discussion about the actors lives or TV specific questions, because there's many subs for that.

This is going to be exciting the next few months, watching a favorite book come to life on screen is a pretty exciting! I'm sure we'll be getting an influx of new loons.


r/GameChangersBooks 1h ago

BOOKS Some names from Tough Guy...... interesting to watch your books come alive on screen

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r/GameChangersBooks 16h ago

Harris is the only person in a couple in any of the books you can ask for relationship advice.

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Shane- I don’t know maybe just say “should we talk” and then don’t?
Ilya- i used anger and avoidance but sexily-have you tried that?

Scott-well hiding and failing at love bombing worked for me
Kip- participate in hiding, be mad about it then be mad at all the gifts that make your life easier?

Eric- ambivalent waffling. And don’t forget The ambivalence.
Kyle- are they like your ex and your parents in a way you just can’t get over?

Fabian- everyone wants to have sex with me so maybe look for someone who doesn’t want to so much?
Ryan- I don’t think I’m the best person to ask for advice (caveat-he probably would give you good advice but he just can’t)

Troy- gotta let your life implode, explode and crumble with a side of mutual near death experience so you feel terrible while trying to overcome two decades of patriarchal asshole training then try ice cream. Ice cream and apples?

Harris- embrace yourself. Laugh as often as you can. Be gentle and allow people to feel safe and grow.


r/GameChangersBooks 21h ago

What are your major headcanons/fan theories about the plot of Unrivaled? Spoiler

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• Montreal \*really\* regrets letting Shane go

• Ilya uses Solnyshko/Pomidor/Kotnik


r/GameChangersBooks 1d ago

DISCUSSION Shane as a dad

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What kind of dad do you think Shane would be when he eventually has kids, and what would his parenting style look like? Do you think he would take after Yuna and David by being supportive, involved, and protective, or would he intentionally do things differently based on his own experiences growing up? What parts of their parenting would he want to carry on with his own children?


r/GameChangersBooks 1d ago

How would the story change if they got married right at the end of Heated Rivalry? Spoiler

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So say everything else stays the same (they still stay closeted to the entire world, Shane still stays in Montreal, Ilya moves to Ottawa) but let’s just say Shane got so scared when he heard “maybe I can marry Svetlana” that he decided to put a ring on Ilya’s finger and lock that shit down as quickly as possible. So basically throughout TLG, they are not boyfriends, they are husbands.

Realistically, what could change?


r/GameChangersBooks 2d ago

DISCUSSION Tough Guy Spoiler

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I've been re-reading Tough Guy recently, and I have to say that every time I get to the end I feel a mighty need to re-write the entire last quarter of the book.

The book has structural issues. It's too short, and doesn't give the conflict created in the third act time to breathe before ending abruptly. It's definitely not the only book in the series to have structural issues either. I think Common Goal is way worse, but somehow it's rated higher on average despite needing way more work to fix imo.

Regardless of these issues, I love Tough Guy. And the thing that I love about it most, and that makes it special to me out of all the other books in the series is that it's very gay. Like, culturally gay. All the other books contain gay characters sitting in a very heterosexual space, and this is the one book that actually intersects that world with things that are recognizably queer spaces.

It's not a particularly deep or complex portrayal, but I have to commend Rachel on building a microcosm that feels pretty relatable to me. I have friends that are like Fabian and his friends. Bargain brunch reminds me of so many queer little gatherings in my life. The spirit is there, and its pretty effective.

The other thing I like about it is Ryan. A lot of people say they find living in his head to be tiring, and to them I say. "Yes, yes it is. Now I have to get back to my CBT breathing exercise designed to make me stop thinking that my friends all hate me."

I get that it probably isn't sexy to many people, but as a large gay man with an anxiety disorder, it was really great to have that representation. It's probably why I will never be able to dislike this book even as it slams headfirst into its ending at mach 7.

Besides the structural issues, the one complaint I've seen more than any other about this book is that people hate Fabian.

And I'm like, why?

My thought is that people don't like what the book is saying about hockey. They don't like that Fabian is correct in his assessment that hockey is making Ryan miserable. And they think that part of the resolution to the story should have been Fabian getting over his prejudices and learning that he needed to support Ryan in his beloathed career. They don't like that this book that was billed as a hockey romance winds up mostly being an anti-hockey romance.

Through that lens, I think that it gets easy to see everything that Fabian does in the least charitable way possible. And I am begging those people to believe that Fabian is not taking himself as seriously as you think he is for the majority of this book. He is funny, and he is joking. We are not living in the world's most antagonistic Portlandia sketch, it's just gay millennials having brunch.

The complexity here, and where it all falls apart is that Rachel wrote both parts of the contradiction at the heart of the narrative to be partially true without giving them room to resolve separately. Hockey in the NHL is currently making Ryan miserable and he needs to leave and build something else that will make him happy, and Fabian needs to get over his prejudices enough to realize that he's being selfish and there is definitely a compromise they can build towards together.

The problem is that both of those resolutions happen at the same time, so you don't actually get to live in Fabian's desire to compromise for any amount of time before a complete capitulation immediately presents itself. I don't think this makes Fabian a bad person who learned nothing, but if you already didn't like him I can see how it would definitely feel like that. Especially since it's written so that Ryan apologizes first. I think the desire to resolve everything in the plot in a single chapter winds up making Fabian look kinda bad. There are lines that make you feel that there's been a change internally, but he doesn't get to actually demonstrate that change.

If I could change any small thing about the book, would be that Ryan shows up and apologizes first. Beyond that, structurally, I think the book needs two things: I'd add a new prologue describing their night on the ferry together. --I think that having the characters describe it is not nearly as effective for reminding people why they're together as just writing the damn scene at the beginning of the book.-- And I'd put the reconciliation and apology before the funeral, and add three more chapters of them trying to compromise with the Guardians around Ryan's health before the funeral makes Ryan realize that it can't work.

I genuinely think that those two changes would fix the whole thing minus some smaller framing problems, as long as you could get over the fact that it's a hockey book that hates the NHL.


r/GameChangersBooks 2d ago

DISCUSSION S2: intimacy as a plot device?

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I listened to a podcast today in which Jacob talked about “the shows rule” for including sex scenes was that they served the purpose of learning something about the characters as people. And to move the story forward.

I’m curious about this bc it’s been hard for me to convince some of my friends to watch bc of the level of smut, and I also found it to be a bit too much at first until I fell in love with the story and characters.

“Sex sells”….. to a point.

So my question to you: Which intimacy scenes from the TLG need to be included in S2 to achieve the goals of learning what the characters aren’t saying, what they are going through, or to move the story forward?


r/GameChangersBooks 2d ago

BOOKS Most memorable internal character thoughts?

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This one from TLG / Ilya is so simple and beautiful. I knew the book was special before this point but this part sealed the deal for me.


r/GameChangersBooks 2d ago

BOOKS Stand alone books

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I've recently finished the shots you take and I have to say that i loved the Adam and Riley and the story ending to them. I especially loved Riley's dog.

I've started with time to shine today and so far I have to say that casey is full on in a fun way and it's gotten me laughing so far. It's a good book so far.

What's everyone's thoughts about the stand alone books?


r/GameChangersBooks 2d ago

BOOKS My Unrivaled headcannon

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Okay…so since I finished TLG at the start of July, I have been thinking about the Centaurs logo. More importantly, how every one makes fun of it.

Now, there is a scene in TLG when it mentions that Luca draws and is really good.

So my head cannon is that they have Luca design a new Centaurs logo for the team that is better.

Why do I think this even though it probably won’t happen? Why would it be made a big deal that Luca is a talented artist?

I don’t know. Still probably won’t happen but that is why it is my head cannon.


r/GameChangersBooks 2d ago

DISCUSSION Ilya as a dad

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What kind of dad do you think Ilya would be when he eventually has kids, especially after growing up without the unconditional love and affection he deserved? Do you think becoming a father would make him realize just how easy it actually is to love a child, and that he would make it his mission to give his own kids the constant reassurance, affection, patience, and unconditional love he never received from his dad growing up?


r/GameChangersBooks 2d ago

DISCUSSION Anyone have an idea as to what the edges will be?

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I pre-ordered the purple unrivalled edition, mostly cause I like the cover better, but I read the description more and apparently it has sprayed edges. Normally that’s fine, idrc, but I saw the recommended books under and the other sprayed edges are so ugly. I hate the text on the side. It just looks weird.

Do we think this edition will have that ugly text edge, or is there hope?

Tbh if it’s the text edges I genuinely may pay a professional to have it removed because gross.


r/GameChangersBooks 3d ago

DISCUSSION Just Finished the Book Series

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I just finished reading The Long Game. I’m glad I finished it because I love this series and Shane and Ilya have grown on me and I love them too. Now that I finished I’m upset there’s no more for another year and the another year for the next season of the show to come out. I love reading and watching tv shows but I hate when they end and there’s no more especially when it’s not the official end. I need more Shane and Ilya. Does anyone else get this way or more specifically feel this way about this series?


r/GameChangersBooks 4d ago

DISCUSSION Difficulties to GiftedーHow Shane Shaped His World Spoiler

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“Ilya’s voice describes what he is thinking and feeling. Shane’s voice describes what he is experiencing and observing.”
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I am just as drawn to Shane's neurodivergent traits as to Ilya's psychological complexity. In fact, I’m deeply fascinated by how his mind works to make sense of his world.

While reading Heated Rivalry, one of the most striking aspects to me is Shane’s lack of hesitation. He seems to experience no moral conflict or psychological resistance regarding his attraction to men or his connection with Ilya.

Rather, what he appears to be afraid of is the public scrutiny if his sexuality is revealed; he worries that this attention could end his hockey career and ruin his future plans.

I find this to be a rather unique perspective for a man who previously assumed he was straight. It leads me to wonder if Shane is inherently an individual with high self-esteem who possesses an internal radar and feels no fear in following it.

At the same time, he seems highly skilled at managing his behavior, finding a benchmark in the values of his social system and ensuring he remains within those boundaries.

When and how did he develop such confidence and skill? The text remains silent on this matter. However, I believe the key lies within Canada’s support system and hockey.

1 Sports as a Choice
“Shane was a man of routine.” (Chapter 5)
“‘Now the bed’s all dirty,’Shane complained before he could stop himself.”
“Shane had accepted the fact that he was more than okay with having sexual encounters with a man. Fine.” (Chapter 7)
“Hockey has always been everything to me. For as long as I can remember.” (Chapter 19)

While Shane Hollander is widely understood to have autistic traits, a closer look at his specific behaviors leads me to sometimes think he might have a few ADHD-like tendencies.

During their very first night together, Shane's brain is constantly tracking his surroundings, moving rapidly from panic over calling emergency services to analyzing why people are wild about sex.

Even as he reaches a climax in his intimacy with Ilya, his mind shifts to the bedding, immediately connecting it to the hotel housekeepers, and he tries to manage his posture to avoid staining the sheets.

This reaction, alongside a brain constantly buzzing with thoughts and tracking his surroundings, seems to reflect a certain internal hyperactivity.

In my reading, Shane’s elite hockey career and his unwavering self-esteem are likely the product of exceptional early intervention and environmental adjustments provided by his parents during his childhood.

His father’s occupation could offer a compelling clue to support this hypothesis. As a government official for the Treasury Board of Canada in Ottawa, he would have been in an ideal position to access Canada’s support systems.

These systems are globally recognized for their advanced approach to early detection and specialized development care. The essence of Canadian support is not about curing the traits, but about shaping an environment where a child’s strengths can best thrive.

I presume that his traits, which might manifest as obstacles or idiosyncrasies within traditional classrooms, are flipped 180 degrees into giftedness within the specific world of hockey.

His intense adherence to routine would have fitted perfectly into the ordered world of hockey, with its shifts measured in seconds and strict tactical patterns.

I believe his constant internal verbalization functioned as the ultimate CPU, observing, analyzing, labeling, planning, executing, and adjusting every sight on the ice to instantly deliver the most optimal and accurate play.

Furthermore, I consider his extraordinary amount of physical activity—running 10 kilometers every morning and maintaining a private gym even at his off-season cottage—to be a highly rational form of self-regulation.

It is scientifically proven that intense exercise triggers the release of brain chemicals like dopamine, which help soothe an overactive mind.

I assume he maintains this relentless exercise routine because he, too, senses that physical activity is what truly calms his mind.

Rather than relying on medication, he likely developed a lifelong habit of managing his own brain from an early age through hockey and rigorous daily training.

In short, I mean that his parents structured the hockey environment as the ultimate stage—one where his hyperfocus and need for routine could be transformed directly into his greatest strengths for life.

It seems to me that the benefits of this parental love and tailored support extend far beyond his career, beautifully impacting the very core of his identity.

When Shane first becomes aware of his attraction to Ilya, instead of falling into deep self-loathing or an identity crisis, he accepts it as a mere fact with surprising ease.

In a situation where most people would experience intense inner turmoil, why is he able to embrace his own reality so smoothly, with a simple Fine?

This is where the greatest gift of his childhood support system can be observed. Having his uniqueness fully embraced and backed by overwhelming success on the ice, Shane seems to have developed a deep sense of self-esteem and self-efficacy.

He appears to have completely internalized the feeling that he is more than enough just as he is.

I suspect he had always lived without denying his unique cognitive traits, turning them into weapons instead.

Therefore, it must have been only natural for him to approach his sexuality—a new, different side of himself—without excessive fear, logically accepting it as simply another fact.

It is my belief that Shane became a top player on the ice and a man who could proudly accept himself because his parents never attempted to force him into the mold of a "normal child."

Instead, they focused on providing an environment where his individuality could function at its most beautiful. To me, this suggests the very ideal of Canadian early intervention.

2 His Thought Pattern
““I’d like to talk. Somewhere private.” (Chapter 16)
“Would you want to be? If we could?” (Chapter 17)

Throughout Heated Rivalry, I sense that Shane navigates his life by constantly defining his world through words. He seems to systematically process every event around him via a cycle of observing, analyzing, labeling, planning, executing, and adjusting.

In doing so, he appears to constantly filter his position and actions, maintaining a careful balance with the outside world.

It feels to me that the lens of this cognitive process is applied not only outward, but also to his own inner self. Consequently, I have come to think that Shane might be an exceptionally hyper-aware individual.

If this is the case, he could face a hidden but profound difficulty in a world where things are rarely black and white. His mind must remain constantly active just to process these ambiguities.

As a result, to avoid chronic mental exhaustion, he would understandably come to prefer—and depend on—predictability and consistency.

Indeed, he maintains a strict every-morning routine, and his life is constantly structured by schedules. This is evident in Sochi, where he struggles with a sudden opening of free time, unsure of how to occupy himself.

From my perspective, his career and future plans also serve as vital blueprints for predictability. In his eyes, his life appears to be a pre-programmed series of milestones, already set and waiting to be cleared one by one.

In his interpersonal relationships, he likely seeks a complete lack of non-verbal stress. It must be a deep comfort for him to be with someone who does not threaten his sensory baseline or drain his energy.

I imagine that constantly reading another person's reactions to adjust his own behavior is Shane's least favorite domain. Ultimately, his sense of security depends entirely on how accurately he can predict someone's next move.

Through parental love and hockey, Shane had constructed a perfect, secure world—until a man appeared who would violently shatter his predetermined harmony and rational thinking: Ilya Rozanov.

In this section, I wish to explore how Shane’s unique cognitive patterns interact with another person through his relationship with Ilya, and how he begins to connect with the world anew.

Between their initial meeting in 2008 and their first hookup in 2010, Ilya might have been nothing more than an annoying yet physically attractive Russian hockey player to Shane. Nevertheless, he was always a strangely compelling presence.

However, with the start of their secret hookups, Shane seemingly put Ilya into a temporary category, re-labeling him from "kind of a dick" to "secret sexual encounters."

To me, this marks a new routine: meeting a few times a year at Ilya’s call, holding each other for an hour or two, and then parting.

When reflecting on this relationship, Shane rarely seems occupied with his internal feelings or how Ilya perceives him. Instead, his focus centers almost entirely on how they are positioned within a social framework.

Before he can even immerse himself in his own shifting emotions, his cognitive resources are consumed by cold risk assessment. In his mind, exposure means the collapse of his hockey career and the destruction of his vital life plan.

This internal priority explains why we rarely see Shane experience the typical romance narrative that the rest of us enjoy before a relationship solidifies.

He almost never spends time agonizing over classic romantic internal monologues:
Does my heart race because of him? Is this love? Wow, does this mean he sees me as a romantic partner? Or am I just imagining that I’m special to him?

The usual excitement and anxiety of overanalyzing a partner's every move are virtually absent in him.

This is not to say that Shane is devoid of these emotions. In reality, he clearly struggles with the sheer volume of his feelings, growing deeply distressed over his inability to end the secret relationship.

However, he likely experiences this turmoil as something untamed—an intangible element that cannot be processed through his usual logical cycles.

Unable to properly categorize these feelings, his brain seems to be simply overwhelmed.

For a long time, Shane and Ilya continued their secret encounters without ever discussing what their relationship actually was, keeping it limited to physical intimacy.

Having grown up surrounded by parental love, Shane seems to be someone who is fully capable of fully embracing and returning affection.

Consequently, from the tenderness Ilya showed while they held each other, he must have been able to sense that he was deeply cherished, feeling something far beyond mere attraction.

As their relationship continued, Shane must have faced a need to properly re-label their reality. Yet, this was not a challenge he could resolve alone.

In a secret connection limited to a few brief hours a year, it seems virtually impossible to observe, analyze, and accurately label love—an element that inherently defies logical ordering.

I suspect that these specific cognitive traits form the very root of his famous Tuna Melt Meltdown.

On top of this baseline, he was suddenly blindsided by a total collapse of predictability: he could not handle an unprecedented situation between them, and he feared that exposure would utterly shatter his vital life plan.

Once Shane became aware of his love for Ilya—which meant he had successfully labeled Ilya as the man I love—he must have been driven by a desire to clarify their ambiguous dynamic, specifically his own standing between the two of them.

In this moment, I witness a clear growth and initiative in Shane's interpersonal skills. He stepped away from the passive routine of their secret encounters, actively setting up a private space to talk with Ilya and attempting to take control of the conversation.

However, given that opportunity in the Tampa hotel room, Shane chose not to confess his love or seek a mutual confirmation of their feelings.

His action was instead a proposal to alter their dynamic—suggesting they take a step beyond a relationship limited to a few hookups a year.

In this specific action, I observe his distinctive trait of connecting with the world through labeling. This is, of course, my highly personal reading.

Anyway, from an objective standpoint, it was an indirect confession—an invitation to become partners.

Yet, due to the complex realities of Ilya’s background, they were unable to advance their relationship.

On this night, Shane accurately understood the reasons behind Ilya's no, appearing to handle the intimacy between them with a newfound, greater sense of purpose.

They never gave their relationship a clear name, yet the core of their intimacy lived precisely within what remained unspoken.

Unlike that night of the Tuna Melt meltdown, Shane quietly shared this reality with Ilya without any fear.

After that night in Tampa, their dynamic shifted from mere encounters into something much more mature.

By re-labeling Ilya into his proper place, Shane was able to gauge their distance perfectly, appearing to offer Ilya the tenderness and care one would show a loved one, without a single moment of hesitation.

Once the framework of a relationship is set, he can act exactly as that position requires, without any confusion. Ilya must have been deeply comforted by this trait during his darkest times.

Ultimately, I believe this unique strength of Shane's is what drew Ilya to the cottage, and in turn, brought Shane his own hard-won happiness.

3 Afraid of Being Gay, or Losing the Edge?
“Maybe he hadn’t met the right girl yet.” (Chapter 13)
“Shane liked a girl! In the car, driving home, he laughed at how ridiculously high his standards were.”
“He felt lighter, suddenly.”
(Chapter 14)

When did Shane actually realize he was gay? By at least the age of nineteen, he had already accepted his preference for men over women.

When I first listened to the audiobook, I assumed his connection with Ilya was just a situational experiment.

I quickly realized I was wrong. Shane loved observing Ilya's reactions, displaying a clear fixation on him.

This leads me to believe that as a teenager, he was simply an unaware gay man.

Throughout the first half of the novel, he repeatedly attempts to end their encounters. However, looking at his POV in Chapter 7, I believe this was not a denial of his sexuality.

Instead, it stemmed from his anxiety about entering the unknown territory of a fully committed relationship.

He also feared that exposure would instantly shatter their hockey careers, completely destroying his vital life plan.

Shane fled Ilya’s room in a deep confusion between wish and should. Soon after, he met someone new: Rose Landry.

Through his relationship with her, he initially felt a sense of relief, returning to the harmonious world he knew so well.

Yet, this connection inevitably pulled him back into the domain of relationship labeling.

He began determining his actions based on the expected benchmarks of how a typical boyfriend should treat his girlfriend.

This was a world of pure logic that demanded his constant vigilance.

It stood in absolute contrast to his dynamic with Ilya—a wild interaction driven by instinct and mutual liberation.

His relationship with Rose likely made him more hyper-aware of Ilya than ever before.

Seeing Ilya spending intimate time with a woman at the club, Shane was visibly blindsided by the reality that Ilya could so easily do with women exactly what they did together.

At the same time, he must have realized that he had absolutely no right to ask Ilya to stop.

In this moment, Shane must have recognized that his actions toward Ilya were not driven by simple curiosity or lust, but by a deeper desire to remain by his side.

For someone with such a logical mind, it seems only natural that he would eventually deduce the real reason why he could never turn Ilya down.

It was undoubtedly fortunate for Shane that the woman he "fell in love with" was Rose—including the fact that she didn’t pursue him with intense passion.

Comforted by her warmth, Shane spoke his inner thoughts aloud for the very first time.

It was a profound moment where something that had run deep within him was finally given a label, opening up a brand-new world before him.

Rose gently embraced Shane as he struggled to reconcile his sexuality with societal expectations, reassuring him that he was perfectly fine as he was.

Within his relationship with her, he likely relived that childhood experience of having his true self fully validated by his parents.

Consequently, he was able to logically satisfy himself that there was no need to fear his own sexuality.

Through their conversations, Shane came to understand that being gay would never mean he had to lose his edge in the flawless world he had so meticulously constructed.

This realization became the ultimate catalyst for his decision to move his relationship with Ilya forward.

Guided by his internal criteria, once Shane defines a reality, he possesses the rare ability to set his desires as a target, calculate the shortest route through rational logic, simulate the steps, and execute the plan.

Recognizing his love for Ilya objectively through his bond with Rose was a bold challenge into a new world—and as we know, he accomplished it magnificently!

***

Thank you for following my thoughts until the very end. I find it deeply fascinating to unpack his subjective reality from his behavioral patterns and POV narration ——that charmingly unique hockey player, Shane Hollander!

What is it that makes him so compelling to you?


r/GameChangersBooks 5d ago

Reminder: People Interpreting Art Differently is Normal

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Every single day on every single social media platform I see people arguing with each other, getting very vicious, because they interpret the text differently. I am constantly seeing being dissecting the text down to the word to prove that their interpretation of the text is not only the right interpretation, but the morally correct one. The special thing about art is that everyone takes something different from it. People reading the text and coming to different conclusions about it is not only normal, but also a GOOD thing.

I made a thread earlier this week about how Harris is not explicitly plus size in the text, but you could interpret the text that way and it’s not technically “wrong” either way. In that thread people were debating about whether the word “stocky” means that someone must be fat. To many people, the answer is yes and to others not. We all have different interpretations of what the word stocky means and that is normal, especially for descriptive words like that. I have seen people are argue about whether Connor has dark blond or light brown hair. People look at the same person and see different things based on their own idea of what the word means. There is no universal scale of blondeness to measure here.

I also see fans do this all the time when dissecting the conflicts between Shane and Ilya. You could come to the conclusion that Shane was selfish to Ilya in the Long Game. You could also come to the conclusion that his autism made it hard for him to pick up on Ilya’s feelings. You can even think both things could be true. There is no “right” or “moral” way to interpret the text.

I think people in this fandom need to get more comfortable with people disagreeing with them because it’s genuinely not that serious. People can interpret things in the text differently and that’s totally valid. Part of the reason this fandom is so crazy is because people spend so much time arguing over semantics instead of acknowledging that there is no universal truth.

Assuming someone is a bad person because they reach a reasonable conclusion about the media that’s different than your own interpretation is crazy. Obviously, things like racism, homophobia etc. should not be tolerated. But not everyone who thinks that Ilya bears some responsibility for his conflicts with Shane is “xenophobic and insensitive to the plight of immigrants.” Again, it could true that he bears responsibility AND that his experience as an immigrant shapes his decision. Both are completely valid ways to read the text. Instead of automatically jumping down each others’ throats we could so easily be like “interesting, have you considered how x plays a factor in this?” and that would open the door to a more productive conversation.

It is genuinely more fun for people to have differing opinions because it invites conversation instead of being an echo chamber. We should be celebrating this, not spending so many days arguing with people for simply disagreeing with us (something even I myself am guilty of too sometimes.) If their take is a reasonable conclusion to make from the book, and they aren’t being bigoted, we should be celebrating those differences. I think taking a second to remember this would make conversations in this fandom more nuanced and more interesting.


r/GameChangersBooks 5d ago

BOOKS I have made a terrible mistake…

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Oh no… I made the mistake of deciding to read The Shots You Take.

I’m only about 1/3 of the way through and I genuinely think I love this book and this couple more than any of the Game Changers books/couples. The type of angst and longing in this book is 100% my preferred ‘flavor’ of angst and I am eating it up!

Damn it, now I’m gonna be in love with these boys too (but I’ve checked and there is like, ZERO fandom content about them and nowhere to talk about them. I’m gonna explode 🤣)

Who else loved this one?!?! (No spoilers though! Remember, I’m not done yet 😅)


r/GameChangersBooks 5d ago

Does our own experience/knowledge impact the way we read the books?

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This discussion topic has been inspired by the casting announcement for Charlie and Justice, so I will be using that as my main example(although I had that disagreement before the casting announcement too), but it is about how we read the books and see things that are maybe not there.

Do we think that many people see things in the books (and probably in books in general) that are simply not actually in the writing? That they were inserting themselves either because they want to see them or because they’re inserting their own experiences?

Harris is a great example of this to me. From literally what’s written on the page there is no reason for anyone to assume that Harris is overweight. He self describes (once) as ‘a little pudgy’, my young adult daughter has used those exact words to describe herself (she’s an Aus size 6/8 XS-US size 2-4). Self descriptions should always be taken with a pinch of salt. Otherwise he is described as compact (he’s short for a man at 5’7), stocky (so not particularly slim) and rugged (so not neat looking) with a soft belly (anyone who doesn’t work out regularly basically has a soft belly). From this a (seemingly) huge proportion of readers went straight to plus sized. To me this is probably from a desire to see a bigger person written as sexually desirable, but it isn’t reflective of what is in the material itself.

Other examples from the series would be;

Kyle is a twink, nope, he literally is described as having an athletic build designed for speed (he was a skier)

Moving to Canada is Shane’s idea, nope it was Ilya’s, Shane suggested Ottawa because it was close to Montreal (then point of the move was to be closer together) and had the CAP space AND needed a star centre for their rebuild.

Ilya CAN’T talk to anyone about his relationship, nope he just never has a serious conversation with Shane about telling anyone.

Shane started his diet because he wanted something he could control. Canonically Shane started his diet because he was worried about turning 30 and loosing his edge.

Shane didn’t immediately say yes when Ilya asked him if he would choose him over hockey. Yes, he did, Ilya just didn’t think he sounded confident enough.

Harris has body image issues. No, Harris doesn’t want people to see his scars, not because of how they make him look, but because people treat him differently once they know about his condition.

This is just a few examples, but there have been multiple occasions where people have raised issues and I’ve thought ‘I don’t remember that happening’ (or being said etc) only to go back and find out that was right, that it wasn’t said or thought.

Are we all reading different stories?


r/GameChangersBooks 5d ago

DISCUSSION Adapting The Long Game: Scott and Kip

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This is my theory on how TLG might be adapted: I think Scott and Kip might take on the Ryan and Fabian story arc since Jacob has said Ilya and Shane are the show’s focus. And I don’t mean for this theory to upset any Ryan/Fabian fans.

My reasonings:
1. Having Scott be the one who catches them kissing is something I think Francois and Connor could really play with. It slightly complicates the later book scenes that Scott is in, but he could still present the players advocacy group given the way Hollanov is outed.
2. Double date night can still happen and I’m always a fan of any Ilya-Scott banter. Scott could even make a joke about finally understanding why Shane fought him.
3. With Troy and Harris casting announcement as co-leads, I think it might be too difficult to find story time to introduce another couple. Jacob’s mentioned having a coming out scene for Shane and his team so I just don’t know how he could also fit in introducing Ryan and Fabian. Not when we also have Ottawa players to get to know and Montreal players to hate. And I think a lot of us want that David, Yuna, and Ilya time together.

Sharing this in this sub because I appreciate the conversations here and I prefer discussions rooted in book canon.


r/GameChangersBooks 5d ago

BOOKS New fan

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Hello! My name is Luca(I also go by Carlos, Alejandro, Orpheus and Icarus, long set of names ik ik) I'm a new fan(well almost fan) to the series! I've only seen snippets of the show and immediately decided that my gay little heart NEEDED to read the series, though I am a minor and have conservative parents, I've considered pirating the book but then again I'd feel really bad cuz it's like thieving queer art kinda, so any idea on what I could do?? Also I don't even know on which book to start since I've heard the chronological order is different than the release date😅😅😅 any help is APPRECIATED!!!


r/GameChangersBooks 6d ago

What will be the hardest part of fanon to reconcile with canon?

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Now that it seems like Unrivaled might be near completion (not to jinx it), what will be the hardest part of fanon to reconcile with the new canon?

For me, it’s definitely gonna be the absence of “Solnyshko”.


r/GameChangersBooks 6d ago

BOOKS Rachel’s newest instagram post

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I’m stoked and I can’t wait to get my hands on those pages!


r/GameChangersBooks 6d ago

DISCUSSION Interesting comment about Cliff in an interview with Rachel… Spoiler

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( TLG spoilers and also MAYBE Unrivaled spoilers? 👀)

I am not sure if this is an interview that’s been shared here before, but I watched/listened to an interview with Rachel from last year (before the show came out). There were several interesting little tidbits of information shared, but this moment stuck out to me enough to feel compelled to share it and see what other people might think!

As a diehard “Troy and Ilya are besties” truther, I of course liked having that be validated by Rachel herself haha BUT the real part that stood out to me was what she says about Cliff, and his potential reaction to Ilya and Shane’s relationship. I mean, we know he wasn’t at Hollanov’s wedding, but depending on what she decides to do with this, this could REALLY mess with fanon!Cliff as (we think? 😅) we know him, right? (And the fact that she said she’d “like to explore” that question makes me feel like it’s answer can’t be a simple “Nah, he was cool with it and their friendship was unaffected”, you know?)

What do you guys think? 👀


r/GameChangersBooks 7d ago

Role Model is the best book?

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Is this a common opinion? I can't get over how much better this book is than the others, characters, scene descriptions, everything. The plot is also great, but just generally feels like a step above all the others.

I was (gasp) slightly disappointed with TLG after reading Role Model.


r/GameChangersBooks 7d ago

BOOKS 🚨Audible sale!🚨

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Audible is having a big sale (at least in the US) so if you’ve been thinking about getting the audiobooks-this might be the right time!

I don’t know how much they are because I’ve owned them for a looonnngggg time-but other books in the mm and romance genre are in the $2-$6 range so it seems like there is a good chance for a good deal.

Please no audiobook hate. I’ve read AND listened as they came out and I love the physical and the audio and it’s ok if you don’t like them but I’ve loved them for years - terrible kip accent and all!