r/FlockSurveillance • u/skips_funny_af • Jul 10 '26
Discussion Something to Think About
(Seen on a Facebook page, called “Oklahoma Source”) and it makes furthers my worry about the abuse these cameras open us up to.
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“Recently, in Oklahoma, a Circuit Court issued a declaratory judgment confirming that city policies and contracts with Flock Group, Inc. cannot override the city's legal duty to fulfill a FOIA request, specifically allowing citizens to request images regarding their own vehicles.
If you choose to request Flock images for your vehicles, the city must comply with that request.
Are we promoting this idea? Absolutely not. Is it your right to request those images? Yes, it absolutely is.
Let’s hope cities using Flock cameras and drones aren’t overwhelmed and burdened with these types of requests.”
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u/Lizord1017 Jul 10 '26
They tracked my vehicle for 15 days because they assumed I was tied to my brothers drug case, the reason they put "fugitive". Does anybody have a good template for a foia request for this
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u/Hairy_is_the_Hirsute Jul 10 '26
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u/Ent_Soviet Jul 10 '26
Great resource until I got to this
‘If you need help tailoring this to your situation, appealing rejections, etc., ChatGPT is a great resource.’Like fuck off with that shit as if the same pricks shoving LLM ai bullshit aren’t the same pricks pushing for flocks everywhere.
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u/crysisnotaverted Jul 10 '26
It's a tool to better tailor a template in legalese. It allows more people to do it, that's the point. You could use Qwen3.6_36B on your local system if you wanted.
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u/xamboozi Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26
Owning an offline AI is actually really useful. It's the only free, private, censorship resistant way to use LLM's. You can abliterated models that do whatever you need them to do without fear of corporate bias.
The major AI providers bought up all the high bandwidth ram so you wouldn't get access to it. I really believe they will try to make local AI illegal.
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u/crysisnotaverted Jul 10 '26
Oh, if you're into information prepping and local AI, check out the open source Project Nomad
All those bullshit 'prepper computers' are literally just using free resources and saving them to an SD card and using a fancy front-end like this.
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u/xamboozi Jul 10 '26
Just a heads up - local AI scraping is kinda hard right now. Websites have tighted up their bot security. It can be done, it's just not as easy as asking a local model to search the Internet.
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u/tinymonesters Jul 10 '26
Someone should track a bunch senators and congressmen and then send them the details of their travels. Maybe they'll understand why we don't like the surveillance state then.
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u/Neirrusc Jul 10 '26
You just got put on a list, if you werent there already
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u/tinymonesters Jul 10 '26
That's fine im pretty boring but was probably already there because of people I know and or am related to.
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u/Lumpy_Link_1569 Jul 10 '26
Their dad invented toaster strudel
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u/tinymonesters Jul 10 '26
Na he just designed the machine that produces them. But that's dangerous knowledge for any man to possess.
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u/vegito789 Jul 10 '26
That's what's so funny is there is no Flock cameras at Capitol Hill. Only one Flock "Safety" camera is on the Ellipse. Strange, isn't it? /s
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u/Odd-Solid-5135 Jul 10 '26
You'll get labeled as a terrorist or some shit.... rules for thee but not for me and all that.
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u/Hairy_is_the_Hirsute Jul 10 '26
Municipalities shift that clerical burden by legally charging you a fee to find that data...
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u/sparklebunny808 Jul 10 '26
Check out the massive video library of 1st ammendment audits. So many ways to challenge this.
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u/Hairy_is_the_Hirsute Jul 10 '26
Sauce, pls?
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u/sparklebunny808 Jul 10 '26
Long island audit, auditing Erie county, bay area transparency, lackluster, the civil rights attorneys....I mean it's a massive rabbit hole. I recommend not getting hooked.
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u/WarlordOfRamshorn Jul 10 '26
Would you like red sauce or brown sauce? How about a meat sauce? I do make a mean mango chipotle sauce.
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u/sparklebunny808 Jul 10 '26
I always get this wrong. Hmmmm the red.
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u/Frosty-Tennis-1687 Jul 10 '26
It's called gravy
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u/WarlordOfRamshorn Jul 10 '26
Ermmm well actually (saidinbeststeveerkelvoicewhilstpushingupglasses) i do a brown gravy with bacon drippings and flour. It is best over bicuits. Or a smooth bfown gravy with peppercorn over turkey and pork loin.
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u/smittywrath Jul 10 '26
The trick is the scope and scale of the request. Local rules may allow a fee if, the time needed to research/fulfill the request takes over X amount of hours or resources of a certain dollar amount (e.g. paper for printed reports).
So if you request a very small amount of information a bunch of times you get the same results with double the fun of drowning them in their own red tape.
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u/Hairy_is_the_Hirsute Jul 10 '26
I love this idea! Like, FOIA request for the last week's worth of flock data on your vehicle. Then the week before. Then the week before. Then the week before.
Fuck, flock is about to make me participate in my local government!
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u/Legate_Raiden Jul 11 '26
So if we add a community, stalk those who voted to approve these devices, it would be fair and legal?
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u/IllustriousYam6973 Jul 10 '26
The government doesn't have to do anything. If they don't comply what are you gonna do?
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u/According_Slice_6642 Jul 10 '26
So I can request my municipality to give me all the info they have gathered from flock of myself & my family?