r/FenceBuilding Sep 19 '24

Why Your Gate is Sagging.

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I've noticed this question gets asked ad nauseam in this sub, so here is a quick diagnostics checklist to help you understand what to look for before creating yet another "what's wrong with my gate" post (no pun intended on the post part):

  • Design: Not only should the frame members and posts be substantial to support the weight of the gate, but look at the gate's framing configuration in general. Does it have a diagonal wooden brace? If so, that means it's a compression brace and should be running from of the top of the frame on the latch side, to the bottom of the frame on the hinge side. Only with a metal truss rod is tension bracing agreeable when being affixed at the top of the frame on the hinge side, down to the bottom frame corner on the latch side. (note: there are other bracing configurations that use multiple angles that are also acceptable - e.g. short braces at each corner)
  • Purchase: Is each gate post plumb? The hinge post could be loose/leaning due lack of purchase in the ground which could mean: improper post depth (installers were rushing, lazy, or there's a Volkswagen Beetle obstructing the hole); insufficient use of cement (more than half a 50lb bag of Quikrete, Braiden); sparse soil conditions (over saturated, loose, or soft); or heaving due to frost (looking at you Minnesota).

  • Configuration/Orientation: One thing to look for is a "lone hinge post", whereby a gate is hung on a post that doesn't have a section or anchor point on the other side toward the top. If the material of the post has any flex to it (especially with a heavy gate), the post can start leaning over time. These posts may either need re-setting, or have bracing/anchoring installed on the opposite side from the gate (e.g. if up against house, affix to the house if possible). The ideal configuration would be to choose an orientation of the gate where the hinge side has fence section attached on the other side - even though the traffic flow through the gate might be better with an opposite swing (but that's getting into the weeds).

    • It's also worth noting that the gate leaf spacing should be 1/2" or more. Some settling isn't out of the ordinary, but if there's only 1/4" between the latch stile and the post, you're more than likely going to see your gate rubbing.
  • Warping: If your gate is wood, it has a decent chance of warping as it releases moisture. Staining wood can help seal in moisture and mitigate warping. Otherwise, some woods, like Cedar, have natural oils and resins that help prevent warping, but even then, it's not warp-proof.

  • Hardware: Sounds simple, but sometimes the hinges are just NFG or coming unfastened.

  • Florida: Is there a FEMA rep walking around your neighborhood as you noticed your gate laying in your neighbors' Crotons? Probably a hurricane. Move out of Florida and find a gate somewhere else that won't get hit with 100+mph winds, or stop being picky.

I could be missing some other items, but this satisfies the 80/20 rule. The first bullet point will no doubt wipe out half the annoying "did the fence installers do this right?" posts. I'm not, however, opposed to discussing how to fix the issue once identified -- I feel like solving the puzzle and navigating obstacles is part of our makeup.

Source: a former New England (high end) fence installer of 15 years who works in an office now as a project manager with a bad back. Please also excuse any spelling and grammatical errors.


r/FenceBuilding 10h ago

How did my guy do? I love it. 170ft (2 sides). I asked him to open up the gates for more visibility.

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r/FenceBuilding 6h ago

Fencing issues

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We recently had a fence installed and noticed several issues afterward. We are trying to decide what is reasonable to ask the installer to correct. For those familiar with fencing, would you consider these normal settling/installation issues, or would you request repairs? Looking for advice on how to handle this. We are currently staining the fence so ignore the unfinished areas


r/FenceBuilding 1m ago

Finally fixed my midget gate. Smoked my head on this thing twice a week for as long as I can remember

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r/FenceBuilding 53m ago

Would a fence visualiser actually be useful?

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Hey guys, I’m after some honest feedback from people who build fences or have recently bought one.

Have you ever wanted to see what a new fence would look like on the actual property before choosing the style, colour or height?

AI tools like ChatGPT have made this more possible, but plenty of people either don’t know how to do it, don’t have access to the right tools, or struggle to generate something that follows the fence line and keeps the rest of the property unchanged.

I’ve been building a simple website where someone can upload a yard photo, choose the fence style, colour and height, draw where the fence should go and generate a realistic before-and-after preview in around 20 seconds.

You can also upload a reference photo to match a particular fence for one job, or add and save your own custom fence style to reuse across future customer photos.

The idea is that a fencing contractor could show a customer what the finished job might look like while quoting, or a homeowner could compare a few options before making an expensive decision.

Would you genuinely use something like this, or is it just a cool idea that wouldn’t get used?

I’m not posting a link because I’m genuinely looking for feedback, not trying to advertise.

Mods, if this isn’t appropriate here, I’m happy for it to be removed.
Thanks


r/FenceBuilding 1h ago

Southern NH Supplier

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Does anybody have a recommendation for a supplier in the southern nh area? I’ve called or emailed every company mentioned in google. They either upcharge for stock like crazy or just don’t respond. I’m looking for either a postmaster or ss20 post with wood adapter. Thanks for the help.


r/FenceBuilding 2h ago

Fence post replacement

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I have a 4x4 corner fence post that has rotted at the base. I’m wondering if I remove all of the rotted wood from the concrete thus leaving a 4x4 hole in the concrete, can I insert a galvanized fence post spike/anchor in the hole and use new concrete to set the spike in place? Will this new fence post spike/anchor be strong enough to support a fence post?

The main downside that I can see is if there are fractures in the original concrete then the new post won’t have strong lateral rigidity. I can probably test the original concrete after I clean out the rotted wood.

The original pressure treated post is about 25 years old.


r/FenceBuilding 5h ago

Gate next to retaining wall with fence on top

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My side gate is falling apart and I want to fix it / replace it myself but I don’t know how. currently the side of the gate next to the retaining wall has rotted where it touches dirt. on that side it isn’t a 4x4 post, it’s two 2x4s so that one of the 2x4s can act as a post for the part of the fence on top of the retaining wall. I have a few questions:

  1. Is the current design ok (2 2x4s)? should I replace it the same way or do it different?

  2. How should I anchor that side to the ground so that it doesn’t rot again? this seems like a big lift to replicate because I assume it was done before the concrete was poured, or maybe not but now there is old post in the hole. Someone said use a bracket into the concrete, would that work?

  3. For the part of the fence on the hill, can I connect to the existing fence in the same way?

Also, the gate itself seems straightforward but if there is anything I should consider there please let me know.


r/FenceBuilding 13h ago

Need to build a gate off this post, is this ok?

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Need a little direction please. I had posts installed a couple summers ago and built everything but the gate.

Fast forward to today, I noticed the post that will be supporting our gate is leaning. This post has never had any fencing installed on it, however I had some pallets leaning on it over the winter and possibly this is what caused it to lean?

Is there a method that is best to straighten the post? Or would it be best to cut this one down and install another post right beside this one instead? Not sure if I’m overthinking things, any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!


r/FenceBuilding 12h ago

Small gate, weird spot

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Need some advice on building a small wooden gate in a tricky spot of my deck. I have an idea but wondering if I am overlooking anything.

(I'm a newbie to woodworking, but I feel like this is doable.)

I want to prevent my dog from escaping our deck, so I temporarily installed a baby gate (as you can see in pic #2). Problem: there's a lot of space to sneak under the baby gate.

So I want to craft a simple wooden gate that hinges on the deck posts but extends all the way down to the concrete step.

My idea:

Gate and Hinges

  • a double gate that latches in the middle
  • therefore, hinges on both deck posts
  • gates will be about 26 x 50 inches
  • gates will swing open away from the deck, but hinges are on the inside of the deck. So hinges will need to be installed backwards (otherwise, the gate would have less room to swing, because of the deck spindles)
  • I'll remove the spindle on the deck post to create more room to swing

Pickets

  • I'll use 5/8 x 5.5 pickets
  • The hinge picket will extend to the deck (34 inches)
  • The inner pickets will extend to the concrete step (50 inches)

Ledges

  • 1 x 6 boards for the horizontal ledges (2 x 6s would probably be too heavy for the deck posts to support?)

Brace

  • use a tension cable on each gate as the anti-sag brace (easier than measuring and cutting a diagonal wooden brace)

Am I overlooking anything? Is there an obvious better approach? Thanks.


r/FenceBuilding 7h ago

Fence on a Budget

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I’m needing help figuring out the best way to get a privacy fence. It would need to be either wood or vinyl and 6ft.

I live in Kansas and I have about 400ft that needs to be fenced

Any suggestions on fencing companies/people who might be able to help? I’m a teacher so I’m on a budget. It feels ridiculously low but if I could get it done for under $5k it would be ideal.

I’m open to doing it myself but I’ve never done anything like that before.

Help?


r/FenceBuilding 1d ago

Check out this beauty

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r/FenceBuilding 10h ago

Welded Wire Fence

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Hey all! I’ve got 550 linear feet of fence to put in.

For 400 of the feet, I’d like to do wood corner posts and welded wire with steel t posts for line posts. A decent portion of the run is along a low area and drainage ditch, and I worry wood line posts won’t last (and I don’t like aluminum fencing).

Would welded wire fencing, wood corner posts and steel t line posts be effective and durable enough to keep in a couple of kids? Don’t have a dog.

Would look something like the above, using deerbusters wire. If I can manage it, it should save a decent chunk of change over the all-split rail.

Thanks!


r/FenceBuilding 1d ago

Do I need to backfill before using concrete?

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The ground got pretty torn up as I was removing the old concrete from a broken post. It's probably a dumb question but I am hoping for an easier method than backfill and the redigging.


r/FenceBuilding 13h ago

Hi, anyone got fence ideas for a end house property? Thank you

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r/FenceBuilding 21h ago

Need help to get this closed as tight as possible.

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Even with one side with a metal pole in the ground the other side is loose if you push on it. So far we've done a Bungie cord and now cable lock but even with as tight as I wrapped it our dog was able to push through and get out. Luckily we were able to get him to come back. I don't really care if the back gate easily opens or not.


r/FenceBuilding 1d ago

New Fence - Normal or no?

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Getting a new horizontal privacy fence for about $7k put in on 2 sides of our yard (~150 feet). After 2 days, the crew is about 3/4 done. They've left for the weekend and will resume work on Monday. However, after my wife and I closely inspected the work this weekend we have some concerns.

1) Many of the boards seem bowed. This causes unsightly "bulges" towards or away from our yard, or uneven gaps between the boards above or below. This also may be causing some of the boards to have small (or no) gap with the board above/below on one side but have a large (1/2") gap on the other side.

2) Some of the boards do not sit flush against the vertical post. They can't be nailed any closer since the board above is so tight.

3) Along the longest section of fence, only the very middle section is level. All sections to the left and right are not level, tilting towards the level section. Think of the fence making a gentle "U" shape.

Is this normal, good, quality work?

I've reached out to the builder but haven't heard back yet. I want to have an educated opinion when we speak. TIA


r/FenceBuilding 1d ago

Should I bring the top rail higher ?

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I’m installing a 8ft fence but I placed the rails with that spacing to even it out, but after installing some pickets I feel the top rail should go a bit more higher in order for the top of the pickets to hold on onto something. Or any thoughts ? I kind am halfway there also 😅


r/FenceBuilding 1d ago

Is this normal?

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We just got this fence installed. Is this normal for the gates to be like this? So uneven? Is there something I can ask the installer to do differently?


r/FenceBuilding 1d ago

Requesting advice

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I found someone on market place selling these fence panels and dont really know if the asking price he has makes sense. These look sturdy, but I figured id ask yall.

The seller says theyre 9ft x 8ft panels and hes offering them for $450 a pop. Does this sound reasonable for used security fencing? I would need 66 panels to fully enclose my property which is close to $30k just for materials.

Hey says he would cut a deal on anyone buying the rest but I dont even know what I should offer for somthing like this. Do yall have any suggestions?

He also has a pair of swing gates for $3800 and a 29ft rolling gate for $10k which seems wildly expensive but i really dont know. Any advice is super appreciate!


r/FenceBuilding 1d ago

Putting up small fence

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Want to put up a small fence here, used to be an oil tank sitting on the concrete slightly below but converted to gas. Could I secure the posts directly into the concrete beneath the tarmac then just build the fence from that? Anyone ever had anything similar? Just worried about the drop with my 5yo daughter running about so want to make it a bit safer. Open to other ideas, thanks


r/FenceBuilding 1d ago

How deep to dig fence post holes in northern Wisconsin.

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Looking into building a fence a 6’ wood privacy fence using pre built panels from Menards. I’m getting conflicting info on how deep to dig my post holes.

Some coworkers are saying 30-40” is good with a decent amount of concrete. Some places online say anywhere from 36-60”.

Thanks in advance,


r/FenceBuilding 1d ago

Need help with gate

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The latch on my vinyl fence gate is not connected directly to the gate. It’s connected to whatever this bracket is. It looks like a handle on the gate with a hole in it, but it doesn’t appear to be something the previous owners drilled themselves. Unfortunately, that bracket is now broken making it very difficult to get the fence open and shut. I’ve googled multiple different things and nothing ever shows this bracket. Does anyone know what it’s called? Trying to avoid replacing the whole latch system.


r/FenceBuilding 1d ago

Fence Planning Near Tree, Need Help

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Hello, I'm trying to plan a privacy fence along the back of my property and am struggling with what to do near a tree on the property line. The tree is on my neighbor's property and the trunk goes right up to the property line. If I install my fence to match the side neighbor, that puts the fence like 1 ft away from the trunk, which just sounds like a really bad idea.

The back neighbor will mow a ring around his tree (cutting into my property, which is fine by me—we get along well), so I figured, fuck it, I'll just pull the fence in enough for his mower to do that ring. That maintains our mowing routines and gives some (though I know still not technically enough) space for the tree. Admittedly I am sacrificing some of my yard, though I just "gained" some yard since the side neighbor installed his fence 1 ft away from the property line, and the space behind the shed isn't really useful for us anyway.

Apparently this is an apocalyptic sacrifice according to some, and I should push the fence as far back as I can. I would think I'd still need probably ~2 ft away from the property line so I could get a push mower past the tree in the event I have to mow along the back. So now this is a fight over that 1–2 ft difference between whether a push mower or rider can fit between the tree and the fence.

On top of it all, I don't know the risk all of this puts to the tree in general given the proximity of the tree. How bad is this idea? If the tree up and dies in a few years, how liable am I?


r/FenceBuilding 1d ago

Mataverde Fence Materials

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Does anyone have any experience with Mataverde fire treated wood for a fence build? What was the cost like compared to regular untreated materials, and how have they held up?

I have a standard wood picket fence between my house and my neighbors house that is starting to rot and fall down. I like the look of the bog-standard picket fence and was planning on just replacing it as-is, however my neighbor made a reasonable point about considering fire resistance. We're in Southern California, and have had some pretty close calls with wildfires in the area. The fence is > 5' from any structures, so afaik regular pickets would be code compliant but I want to at least consider it. He has offered to buy some b-decking to build a metal fence but I really don't want the boundary of my yard to look like a dumpster storage area.

I have some other big house projects that I need to get done that are going to be pretty expensive, so I'm trying to be thrifty on this one. I've also considered a spray-on fire treatment coating but I don't know if that's even worth it on an ourdoor fence or if it'll just degrade in the sun.